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Old 04-20-06 | 07:17 PM
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I guess I need to hook this thing up through the 5.1 analog connections and compare. I thought the DTS sound was pretty good though other than having to turn it up louder than normal.

Do they make 6 channel analog switchers? I'm going to hate switching this back and forth for SACD and HD DVD all the time.

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Old 04-20-06 | 09:52 PM
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So I just went on my lunch break to Best Buy here in Chelsea to check it out for myself...again. If you will recall, I saw it on the original "tour." They had it set up for 720P on a Westinghouse flat screen.

Let me tell you, I have NO idea how the hell they sold them on that demo.

It looked like absolute shit. No joke.

The demo was running that showed HD/SD and they looked almost the same. The coloring was off. Everything just looked like crap.

Now, again, the demo I saw was nothing short of astonishing but if they're going to sell them to people, why the hell are they putting it on something like this? They go through all the trouble to put it on an endcap and use a full-page ad in their weekly flyer to promote it but then it looks like crap.
Funny how so many people see the Westinghouse name and right away assume it is a terrible tv. But that tv is a 1080p LCD that is getting some amazing reviews. Now wether it was setup correctly is another story. Maybe they should have planned for a much more recognized brand to show it on, it would have made people feel better.

But either way HD-DVD is selling and selling well.
Old 04-20-06 | 10:24 PM
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Funny how so many people see the Westinghouse name and right away assume it is a terrible tv. But that tv is a 1080p LCD that is getting some amazing reviews. Now wether it was setup correctly is another story. Maybe they should have planned for a much more recognized brand to show it on, it would have made people feel better.

But either way HD-DVD is selling and selling well.
Again...read what I wrote. They were showing it at 720P and it said it was a 720P tv, IIRC. It looked horrible. I'm not making a comment on Westinghouse and to be honest, I've never even heard of them before.

I agree with you on the second part.

However, i have to say that after reading some of the Blu-Ray stuff on avsforum, I don't know any more about taking the plunge. On the one hand, they make some good points. Oh the other hand, those people are so fanatical about it that it almost comes across as desperate.
Old 04-20-06 | 10:34 PM
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damnit people, I was all set on waiting but all you guys talking about this thing is making me want to get one asap. I hate you all!!!
Old 04-20-06 | 11:13 PM
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I'm glad they are selling so well. It will just increase the chances of people getting hold of them that have the knowledge to hack this player into something really cool. With it being a Linux kernel PC at heart you just have to think it will be easy for someone to disable DVD region coding and maybe add features. I would love to use the network connection to stream data from my PC.

I don't know if its possible to hack, but you have to bet many will try.
Old 04-21-06 | 12:03 AM
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I'm loving the PQ on mine, but my remote doesn't work for shit! I think the up/down arrows on the circular pad are broken on mine, or something?
Old 04-21-06 | 12:19 AM
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Again...read what I wrote. They were showing it at 720P and it said it was a 720P tv, IIRC. It looked horrible. I'm not making a comment on Westinghouse and to be honest, I've never even heard of them before.

I agree with you on the second part.

However, i have to say that after reading some of the Blu-Ray stuff on avsforum, I don't know any more about taking the plunge. On the one hand, they make some good points. Oh the other hand, those people are so fanatical about it that it almost comes across as desperate.
I am a supporter of Blu-Ray. Actually, I bought an HD on the spur, so I guess I am a supporter of that too.

But, I try to be fair at the same time. I am not into calling people "pussy" just because they like something different.

Anyhow, you can't really take much you hear at AVS at face value when it comes to sides. You really just have to wait and judge for yourself. All you will end up with is misdirection and confusion if you listen to all this different advice.

It is the equivilant of a fan based video game site. You know. Those frantic insane people who go wild over defending video game consoles with the name calling. Well, AVS reminds me of that.
Old 04-21-06 | 12:13 PM
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DVD File posted some info about the Toshiba player. This part has me a tad concerned:

"It’s also been reported that there is a bit of an audio glitch in these early players. Toshiba is transcoding any Dolby Digital+ audio track to DTS 5.1 for the S/PDIF output used to drive the digital input on your existing audio decoders. The conversion process is apparently causing a considerable drop in audio amplitude. I’ll try to research this further; I suspect it may be caused by an over-simplified algorithm that doesn’t scale as it transcodes audio from a larger digital dynamic range to a smaller digital dynamic range."

Is this a major concern?
The volume problem is a mastering issue with the first Warner titles, and has nothing to do with the re-encoding of DD+ to DTS. The DD+ audio on those discs sounds exactly the same via the 6-channel analog outputs.

The Serenity HD-DVD from Universal plays very close to regular DVD volumes.

Warner has already admitted the authoring problem and says it will be corrected on future releases.
Old 04-21-06 | 12:26 PM
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Now wether it was setup correctly is another story.
Best Buy? I would almost guarantee you it is set up wrong. From the monitor callibration all the way down to the player. Remember, too, it took them "hours" to set up.... hahaha.

I still go to Best Buy and see widescreen TVs setup playing horizontally stretched pictures. That indicates they are playing anamorphic widescreen DVDs into a widescreen TV, but the DVD player is set to 4:3.

Still, it does suck that it isn't being displayed properly. On the other hand they still sell lots of TVs even though they're setup like crap, too.
Old 04-21-06 | 12:27 PM
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This was posted on Avsforum but it was so spot-on, I thought I'd re-post it here.

My reasoning is strictly from a business and marketing perspective. In all honesty, I don't even care which format ends up winning. I have no bias toward a particular technology here.

Many (not all) of the Blu-ray supporters I read from on this forum and others just don't look at the economic aspects of it all. They are looking at it from a purely technical perspective. To not think studio support cannot change in a very short period time is someone who does not understand business and marketing. Business is ALWAYS changing. It's always dynamic. If not, it fails. Anyone who works for a company or corporation who sells and markets products should know how quickly things can change.

I don't know the magic number, nor exactly how long it will take, but early reports are very positive for Toshiba and the real marketing campaign hasn't even started yet. This has really been more of a "soft launch."
If positive numbers continue for the next several months, I can almost guarantee you will see the start of at least one or two more studios (maybe more) to announce support for HD-DVD. I think this can happen by late summer, or possibly even sooner --- again IF strong sales continue. I think once one studio "crosses the line" in support for HD-DVD, the others will start - kind of a domino effect.

The $499 starting price for the initial rollout of the player was absolutely genius from a marketing standpoint. It was virtually a perfect price point for this format war. This player will be able to be purchased for well under $500 come Christmas or sooner. In addition, to being the first to hit the market and having those particular studios (Paramount, Warner, and Universal) were strong enough for initial content roll-out.
Old 04-21-06 | 12:29 PM
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The volume problem is a mastering issue with the first Warner titles, and has nothing to do with the re-encoding of DD+ to DTS. The DD+ audio on those discs sounds exactly the same via the 6-channel analog outputs.

The Serenity HD-DVD from Universal plays very close to regular DVD volumes.

Warner has already admitted the authoring problem and says it will be corrected on future releases.
I have Last Samurai and Phantom of the Opera. I also have a 5.1 DD/DTS receiver. Am I going to notice any kind of defect?
Old 04-21-06 | 12:36 PM
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This was posted on Avsforum but it was so spot-on, I thought I'd re-post it here.

I agree with most of that, too. It's hard to imagine the studios looking at an untapped market of HD owners and sticking to Blu ray only. It doesn't make any business sense.
Old 04-21-06 | 12:42 PM
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I have Last Samurai and Phantom of the Opera. I also have a 5.1 DD/DTS receiver. Am I going to notice any kind of defect?
I think the more important question would be: did you?
Old 04-21-06 | 12:43 PM
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I won't know until FedEx brings the unit today. I'll have them watched sometime tonight. I was looking for a heads-up answer.
Old 04-21-06 | 12:44 PM
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I agree with most of that, too. It's hard to imagine the studios looking at an untapped market of HD owners and sticking to Blu ray only. It doesn't make any business sense.
My wish is Fox crosses the line and starts releasing HD-DVD. Their catalog has a deep selection of great titles.
Old 04-21-06 | 12:46 PM
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I won't know until FedEx brings the unit today. I'll have them watched sometime tonight. I was looking for a heads-up answer.
Yes...the sound was mastered too low on all the WB titles.
Old 04-21-06 | 01:05 PM
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could someone point me in the direction of a nice but not too expensive DVI/HDMI switcher so if I decide to pick up the Toshiba player I can also keep my Oppo hooked up as well? thanks
Old 04-21-06 | 01:05 PM
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My local Best Buy finally got Million Dollar Baby and Serenity in. I'll probably pickup both tonight. I know they're a bit cheaper online, but I'm not waiting. Since Serenity is the only Universal title out, it'll be nice to compare its transfer to the WB counterparts. And to see how the audio compares to those other 3. Plus, I get to leave work early, so I hope I make it home before the FedEx guy shows up.
Old 04-21-06 | 01:07 PM
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could someone point me in the direction of a nice but not too expensive DVI/HDMI switcher so if I decide to pick up the Toshiba player I can also keep my Oppo hooked up as well? thanks
www.monoprice.com

I got my HDMI cable there. Their prices are cheap and the products look pretty solid. I'll get to test out the cable tonight.
Old 04-21-06 | 01:18 PM
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www.monoprice.com

I got my HDMI cable there. Their prices are cheap and the products look pretty solid. I'll get to test out the cable tonight.
what's the difference between these two?

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...ormat=2&style=

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...ormat=2&style=
Old 04-21-06 | 01:19 PM
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My wish is Fox crosses the line and starts releasing HD-DVD.
Same here. If that were to happen it would be the critcal deathblow to Blu-Ray IMO.
Old 04-21-06 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema
www.monoprice.com

I got my HDMI cable there. Their prices are cheap and the products look pretty solid. I'll get to test out the cable tonight.
thanks. I think I'm going to pick up that 5x1 switcher. that will keep me good for awhile. they have some nice prices on cables too.
Old 04-21-06 | 01:27 PM
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monoprice makes great cables.
Old 04-21-06 | 01:53 PM
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monoprice makes great cables.
Agreed. I couldn't believe how high quality an $18 cable was from them.
Old 04-21-06 | 01:58 PM
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Looks like the main difference is the more expensive switch has a built-in equalizer and it comes with a remote. The EQ is used mainly for a sound system, providing different preset sound options. I didn't know a switchbox even had these in them.


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