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I've yet to understand why people spend so much time in Politics. Nothing ever changes, I'd assume.

If IB only had the cajones to close Politics and re-open Adult. ;)

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I second this motion. The Politics forum is rampant with vitriol, mockery, trolling, name-calling, generalizing, and pettiness (from all across the political spectrum). Very little substantive discussion goes on there, in my estimation. I don't blame the mods - I think the problems are too big for them to solve and are simply indicative of the political climate in our society now.

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Completely agree with your assessment. I asked to be put on Political Exile so at least now I can't see the posts anymore. It looks as if Supermallet is already there, so he should be fine going forward.

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The problem is, he doesn't want to be in exile. He just doesn't want trolls trolling the forum, or if they do, feels he should be able to call them out on it.

If not, he doesn't want to support the forum. I get it. I really do, but I'd be sorry to see him leave over this.

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:up:

Consider sticking around in the movies and HD sections, Super.

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We do not delete accounts or posts at the member's request, as doing so could potentially cause confusing "gaps" in discussion threads. However, we could remove your information from the system so you will no longer receive notifications or have access to the account. Please keep in mind that once an account is deactivated it can not be recovered.

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Curious, did the mods delete Supermallet's last post there, or did he? I thought it was an important post, and if that was the hill he was going to die on, we should all be able to see it.

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My two cents: Forums in general are dying as people have been moving to social media. It's sad to see people who have been participating for years, like Supermallet, leaving or being suspended/banned because 2-4 members who are being allowed to troll at best/ be racist/xenophobic/anti-semitic at worst. These trolls are experts at doing hit and runs not only in the political forum, but also in other ones, like the movie forum (Ghostbusters and Captain Marvel threads come to mind) and when members like Supermallet respond to their inane comments, they get punished instead of the troll. My point here is that the trolls are costing the forum users/members. I understand that mods/admin don't want an echo chamber, but at the same time they shouldn't be tolerating trolling from the other side of the aisle. At the end of the day, the forum suffers and sooner rather than later, it will go the way of MySpace.

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That's possible, but not all people (especially older peeps like me) are on social media. DVDTalk is about as close as I've gotten.

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Some people post nonsensical comments in threads. It's not against the rules. We're not going to purge posters from the forum because of their political views.

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So we aren't allowed to call them trolls for posting nonsense then?

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I don't go to Politics. Every time I've ever ventured in there I've been sorry I did and I find me asking myself why did I ever think it would be worthwhile to peek inside when it's nothing but a horror show in there. A hasty retreat is all I'll ever do in the Political forum. I'm glad it's separate from Other.

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Please don't go. Just take a break for a few months. Meditate.

Choose your battles. An old piece of advice is: Never get into a fight with a pig. You'll get covered in shit and the pig enjoys it.

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I'm with Supermallet. I do hope the Mods take appropriate action.

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If it is trolling, use the report this post feature. Or PM one of the mods.

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Yeah, I'm with Supermallet on everything he's said here. :up:

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But you just demonstrated with these 2 post the bigger issue here. And please don't feel that I'm piling on you, it's simply that you are actually one of the few mods having a discussion on this thread. People are telling you that these posters are an issue because they are trolling and they cross the line, but you are dismissing them as nonsensical. I don't know what actually goes behind the scenes here when people report posts, so I don't know how many times these notorious posters have been reported for their trolling and I know even less if you are communicating with them behind the scenes to stop the shit so to speak. The way many of us are looking as this situation is that a notorious member will write a borderline offensive post, then someone responds to it in what could be constructed a personal attack and then the mods/admins suspend the person who responded but not the one with the trolling post. As Supermallet elocuently explained, what you may perceive as a nonsensical post may be an offensive one to someone with a different background. If it was only one person complaining about these same members it would be one thing, but the reality is that there's a majority of members that feel uncomfortable /offended/etc by post from these members and truly, we feel that nothing is done to them. So I'm with Supermallet on this.

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I read the exchange between Mallet and DVDP and it was totally fucking obvious that DVDp was baiting Mallet. That's usually DVDP's MO, though, and everyone knows it - mods included. He says stupid rightwing-facsist bullshit. When someone calls him on his stupidity he then waits hours or days before replying to some other bullshit that happened hours or days before and never acknowledges the original response to the original post.

Oh, and just remember that AOC is a whore because she's a beautiful and accomplished Latina woman. That one was icing on the cake. :sarcasm:

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I was shocked that, given his track record, he wasn't permanently banned after that.

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I don't remember anything like that, previously. Gotta be better than political shit.

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Anyway, are those sited by Super only the extreme offenders? Are there others on the right, more apt to have be less troll-ish? I'm not in there so I'm sure if they are being kept around because they are condusive to keeping things actively moving? Is it possible to have a two-sided discussion if the trolls were banned/exiled?

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But stating Trump is a white supremacist is just an opinion, well more of a delusional opinion, than a fact. That's the main problem with the Political Forum, it's full blown Trump Derangement Syndrome there. They want to have free reign to call Trump a Nazi, Trump supporters white supremacists, MAGA hats are KKK hoods, etc. They say nasty racist stuff about black conservatives, nasty sexist/misogynist comments about female conservatives, nasty gay comments about Trump & Putin, Trump & McConnell, etc. The same people here crying about trolling in the Political Forum were the first to jump into the Bush 41 Obituary thread and spew hate and lies about him, but it's okay because if Hitler died, we wouldn't gloss over his atrocities, right? You pushed out all the conservatives that were willing to discuss the topics with your hate and attacks, now you are stuck with DVDP and Grundle.

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And PerryD didn't say you specifically did that. Even if you haven't posted anything racist or sexist (I'm not going to search through your posts), that doesn't invalidate his point. I don't think it would take too much to find racist or sexist posts against conservatives if a person was inclined to look for them.

Even leaving racism and sexism out of it, there was a post about the Covington High School students asking "Where's a school shooting when you need one?" and not only is that poster (and the post, I think) still around, they evidently didn't suffer any consequences other than being called out by one or two other members - and they weren't the only poster calling for violence.

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Trump retweeting a Meme that uses a star symbol does not imply white supremacy, since the tweet was clearly just making fun of Hillary, I don't think Trump is clever/subtle enough to try to hide some meaning in a star shape. All of this Trump is dog-whistling to white supremacist stuff is just silly. Just like it makes sense that Covington basketball players flash a white power sign after making a three point basket, rather than accepting that they are using a standard symbol for making a 3 pointer that NBA and college players use. It's just delusional.

You claim to be Jewish, but don't accept that Trump's daughter is Jewish? When the "Fine people on both sides" comment was posted here, I went and watched the entire interview and to me he clearly was talking about both sides of the Confederate Statues issue. Why in the heck would Trump side with anti-semitic groups and someone who killed a protester? If you can deal with this cognitive dissonance, then we can perhaps have a rational discussion.

I've said before that I'm not a fan of Trump, and I didn't vote for him, but holy cow you guys are nuts with the dictator/Nazi/Hitler comments. I couldn't get the mods to deal with those generalizations, so what is the point of trying to discuss real issues in that forum? I just gave up as did many other conservative posters before me.

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Well I suggest that you remove these, then, because they CLEARLY seem to be only useful in calling out trolls:
-notrolls-
:notrolls:

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Sorry in advance for the massive multi-quotes. I'll keep it short.
Like pretty much everywhere else on the internet in 2019, Politics is the most active subforum. Without it, there's far less ad revenue. With far less ad revenue, they have to resort to "sponsored posts" or shutting it ALL down. I'm not saying DVDTalk is in a dire circumstance (I won't pretend to know anything about what's going on on the back end), but this is the pattern in many other places online, so I'm assuming DVDTalk is only moderately different.
edit: I know you just want the Adult forum back, though ;)

I think there's more than you think, but I don't disagree about your other thoughts that much to be honest. The problem is, when you're talking about politics - things that directly impact peoples' lives, especially minorities or marginalized people - it's hard not to get frustrated when some folks are repeatedly dismissive of the core arguments, choosing instead to obfuscate or derail discussions that start to make progress. This is one of the fundamental issues with text-based discussion in general, IMO.

:up: The issue has never been about differing opinions. The issue is with "let's agree to disagree" when we're talking about peoples' safety in their own towns. You're in Portland, and have to deal with knowing that there are some of those proud boys in and around the area, stirring shit up because that's entirely their purpose. My heart goes out to you man, and seeing other people dismiss that group as harmless trolls or even victims themselves is such fucking bullshit.

Agreed. His point was succinct and necessary.

I agree with everything you said there.

I'll push back on this only to say that I don't necessarily blame the mods and admins here. I truly think they're doing the best they can with the information and set of rules that they have. The problem is that people who are professional trolls (And I don't mean that to mean they're getting paid, but that they, as human beings, take some amount of pride in trying to get a rise out of anonymous people online) know exactly how to stay within the official site rules while getting others to cross the line. And this isn't just a far-right issue; there was at least one poster who exhibited many left-leaning ideas, who was very obviously doing the exact same thing. It was called out a few times, but I don't think action was ever taken. But again... it's because these people are aware of how to navigate the rules, knowing how to get others to break one so they don't have to. The solution, I think, is to recognize the behaviors, and not just the rule breaking. But that's extremely difficult, because anyone suspended for their behavior will take offense ("Show me where I broke a rule!" and all that).

There are a handful that partake in honest, reasonable discussion who I still genuinely disagree with, just as there are a handful that are clearly either unwilling or wholly incapable of forming an argument without exhibiting specific fallacious behaviors. Some will just say things like, "So you think I'm a Nazi! Nothing left to talk about!" Some will spout off strawmen or ad homs over and over. Some will ask for details on a point, then when someone responds at great length, they cherry-pick one small aspect and dismiss it, acting as if that dismisses the entire argument. Again, "both sides" and all that, but it becomes a bigger issue as people push far right ideas and acting like it's just a difference of opinion and "we can just agree to disagree." My thing, personally, was coming to the realization that "agree to disagree" is something that we tell ourselves when we believe politics is all just a thought experiment, and that real lives aren't at stake. We can agree to disagree about the best Marvel movie, or pizza toppings... but it's naive to think that agreeing to disagree is in any way beneficial to marginalized groups who face opposition to their human rights.

tl;dr - as to the issue that caused this thread...

Needless to say, so am I.

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I honestly think DVDP should be marked as a Political Exile as well. So many have sided one way or another without resorting to the level of trolling that he does.

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I have zero issues with Supermallet personally but I have no idea why he can't just either 1) block the offending users or 2) simply not visit the Politics forum or 3) contact the mods/admins privately or 4) just walk away. This public thread is the worst way to go about it.

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This is it exactly. And I believe there are few innocent parties when it comes to what takes place in that forum.

Like it or not, I find it hard to argue with this sound advice.

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True but let's see how that works out for IB when one or two problem posters that continue to be tolerated cause other posters to leave in disgust or end up getting banned by telling the trolls what they really think of them (which I'll admit I am coming close to doing). Does this site really want to lose even more longtime posters at this point? Hasn't enough damage been done to this place already? :shrug:

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To the bold.

I do not defend Fascists, and I have also been very critical of Republicans, Fox News, etc.

However, I also respect your opinion, which is rather unlike you do toward me.

I suppose you have no issues with Freshman who verbally attack Jews, either? I'd like to hear your comments on Omar in the Politics Forum. She made comments about Jews worse than Trump in my opinion, and yet you've said nothing about her from what I've read. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

The world has a wide variety of opinions, and many of them I don't like, either. However, I don't run around with a stick, wanting to beat anyone who doesn't "see my way of things".I feel sorry you are somehow tormented by some dude online that posts things you don't like.

If this post is called Trolling, then we all need to be banned and DVD Talk needs to shut down.

Also, I remember many of those who were leaving DVD Talk, and the same posters here said, "Fine, don't let the door hit you on the way out!"

I see just opposite comments now. :shrug:

If you seriously get triggered by my comments, just ignore me. I do the same on many occasions for posters.

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I'm with the posters above. I'm hoping this thread isn't just an effort to get others banned, but specifically naming other posters (including a banned member) makes me wonder - and I hope the mods/admins don't go there. There are posters on both ends of the political spectrum whose posts are of questionable value, but I'm not going to name them and ask the mods for some type of action.