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Should dvdtalk get rid of the Politics Forum?

Old 07-13-18, 04:10 AM
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Re: Should dvdtalk get rid of the Politics Forum?

Originally Posted by DVD Polizei View Post
And yes, I don't know why the adult forum isn't back because if you read the politics forum, it has the language that is easily up there with any adult content website. There may not be the images to go along with the words, but the graphic verbal assaults are well within adult content territory.
I'm quite sure that I saw the word "fucktard" in writing the first time in this forum. And you wrote it.
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Old 07-13-18, 09:19 AM
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Re: Should dvdtalk get rid of the Politics Forum?

Another thing that would help the moderators if if people would stop using the "Report Post" feature as an "I Disagree" button.
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Re: Should dvdtalk get rid of the Politics Forum?

Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
Another thing that would help the moderators if if people would stop using the "Report Post" feature as an "I Disagree" button.
So it's become the equivalent of "FAKE NEWS!"?
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Old 07-13-18, 02:25 PM
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Re: Should dvdtalk get rid of the Politics Forum?

Originally Posted by Psi View Post
I'm quite sure that I saw the word "fucktard" in writing the first time in this forum. And you wrote it.
I think I first saw that word here too.
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Old 07-13-18, 03:51 PM
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Re: Should dvdtalk get rid of the Politics Forum?

Originally Posted by Psi View Post
I'm quite sure that I saw the word "fucktard" in writing the first time in this forum. And you wrote it.
And it was appropriately used.

Thanks for reminding me.

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Old 07-13-18, 03:55 PM
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Re: Should dvdtalk get rid of the Politics Forum?

Originally Posted by davidh777 View Post
So it's become the equivalent of "FAKE NEWS!"?
It's become the equivalent of attacking somebody with passive-aggressive intent because it is known reporting a post requires more moderation and attention to that post. Has nothing to do with Fake News, but everything to do with wanting to prevent another opinion from being heard.

More like...a FAKE DISCUSSION button.
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Old 07-14-18, 09:51 AM
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Re: Should dvdtalk get rid of the Politics Forum?

Guess it depends on who is being attacked, no equivalence needed and asking about it here is apparently shut down.
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Old 07-14-18, 07:22 PM
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Re: Should dvdtalk get rid of the Politics Forum?

I voted to keep the forum.

Recently the environment in the forum has become a lot less toxic, hopefully the recent change will be permanent.

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Old 07-15-18, 04:56 AM
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Re: Should dvdtalk get rid of the Politics Forum?

Originally Posted by WCChiCubsFan View Post
I voted to keep the forum.

Recently the environment in the forum has become a lot less toxic, hopefully the recent change will be permanent.
Really. You must have different glasses than I do, or you're just conveniently overlooking particular comments posted there.

https://forum.dvdtalk.com/religion-p...ssues-358.html

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Shouldn't they be spending that time picking cotton or killing other Blacks?
I was suspended for a month for my "poor attempt at humor" by responding the same way a while back.

This is just a recent example.

There are several more.

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Old 07-15-18, 10:05 AM
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Re: Should dvdtalk get rid of the Politics Forum?

Originally Posted by WCChiCubsFan View Post
I voted to keep the forum.

Recently the environment in the forum has become a lot less toxic, hopefully the recent change will be permanent.
Agreed. Its downright pleasant.
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Old 07-15-18, 02:25 PM
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Re: Should dvdtalk get rid of the Politics Forum?

It appears to be time that the rules regarding generalizations be applied to links and posted images.

https://forum.dvdtalk.com/13372299-post8942.html

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What generalizations would those be. Explain, please. And how would they apply to that post.
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Old 07-15-18, 04:36 PM
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Re: Should dvdtalk get rid of the Politics Forum?

Originally Posted by DVD Polizei View Post
What generalizations would those be. Explain, please.
It would be frowned upon to post "all Democrats are racist". Why would it then be okay to say "this writer brings up an excellent point" hyperlinked to a page that says "all Democrats are racist"?
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Old 07-15-18, 04:42 PM
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Re: Should dvdtalk get rid of the Politics Forum?

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It would be frowned upon to post "all Democrats are racist". Why would it then be okay to say "this writer brings up an excellent point" hyperlinked to a page that says "all Democrats are racist"?
With a ttile that reads "The Racist Left".

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Old 07-15-18, 04:47 PM
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Re: Should dvdtalk get rid of the Politics Forum?

Grundle did not post "All Democrats are racist".

Also, as long as the enforcement is unilateral. I still have yet to see this put into practice.

If you want to say that the person posting a link is responsible for ALL THE CONTENT OF THAT WEBSITE WHICH IS LINKED...fine. Make it so. But enforce this rule across the board. I would imagine few external links will be placed in posts, and that's ok with me.

Are we to have a list of approved websites to post? Are we to have a group of people to approve certain links to outside sources? Are we to nullify what an outside person says that is true, but yet on another page is commenting on things that are blatantly prejudiced and wrong?

You are telling me we don't have "Republicans are racist" posts in the Politics forum, or posts which unconditionally put Trump and Republicans into the KKK crowd?

Kind of have two things going on here, but the racial implying is rather apparent, and here's an example:

https://forum.dvdtalk.com/13368842-post2672.html

Originally Posted by slop101
Kavanaugh is:

A) A white male
B) On record as being in favor of allowing a president to ignore any code of morals or ethics
C) The worst possible pick

While I was hoping Hardiman were the pick, there was always a 99.9% chance Kavanaugh would be the pick.

So with Kavanaugh's stance that the President shouldn't be investigated for crimes - I hope they grill him at his confirmation about it, asking if he thinks that if it should hold true even if the president were guilty of treason and/or murder.

On the plus side, he is friends with Kagan...
Once again, the "white male" post, as if all white males are made a certain way or behave a certain way.

So, I've already posted 2 examples of racial overtones in recent posts. How many will it take to make certain people realize that one type of posting is considered ok as long as it's on the "correct" political side.

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Re: Should dvdtalk get rid of the Politics Forum?

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It would be frowned upon to post "all Democrats are racist".
I'm going to ask again, is posting in a thread (by name) DVD Talk members are all White Supremacist? Is posting "Repubs are just a bunch of assholes" OK?
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Re: Should dvdtalk get rid of the Politics Forum?

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I'm going to ask again, is posting in a thread (by name) DVD Talk members are all White Supremacist? Is posting "Repubs are just a bunch of assholes" OK?
"No generalizations" would address both of those.
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Old 07-15-18, 08:45 PM
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^ I'm surprised you were able to decode what he was saying.

I don't see a thread saying "DVD Talk members are all White Supremacist"

I DO see a post saying "the Repubs are just a bunch of assholes" but in the context of that thread:
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I was about to post this in the conspiracy thread, but nah...

https://twitter.com/thehowie/status/1017483621211541504

The way Goodlatte endlessly pushed to silence Strzok and any dissenting objections by Democrats at the vast unfounded aspersions being cast by GOP members proved the entire party knows there is real fuckery to be revealed soon. Today's hearing is Team Crime desperate to stay afloat.
Originally Posted by Person B
I think this proves that the Repubs are just a bunch of assholes who are trying to find anything to pull them away from the turd they’ve anchored themselves to. I don’t give any of them credit to orchestrate some kind of smokescreen. They are just desperate.

It's clear to anyone with basic reading comprehension that this comment is directed at THE republicans that were grilling Strzok, not ALL "Repubs."

One would think that using these two examples as "generalizations" that must be stopped are disingenuously grasping at straws, to say the least.
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Old 07-16-18, 12:26 AM
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^ I'm surprised you were able to decode what he was saying.

I don't see a thread saying "DVD Talk members are all White Supremacist"

I DO see a post saying "the Repubs are just a bunch of assholes" but in the context of that thread:
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It's clear to anyone with basic reading comprehension that this comment is directed at THE republicans that were grilling Strzok, not ALL "Repubs."

One would think that using these two examples as "generalizations" that must be stopped are disingenuously grasping at straws, to say the least.
The first example was not a "generalization," though I can see how it could be mistaken for one. The post mspmms referred to named specific DVD Talk members as "white supremacists."

As for your second example, I think there's some straw grasping in the way you've presented it. It's a bit disingenuous to bring up "reading comprehension" while misreading, or misrepresenting, the context of the quoted posts.

In the first place, basic reading comprehension does not suggest that "the Repubs" applies only to certain GOP members; unless the writer makes absolutely clear that it does, then one can safely assume it describes the whole party. And since Person B made no such distinction, presuming that they did is where the straw comes in.

In the second place, and more importantly, you bolded Person B's sentence but somehow failed to bold this sentence from Person A. Allow me:

The way Goodlatte endlessly pushed to silence Strzok and any dissenting objections by Democrats at the vast unfounded aspersions being cast by GOP members proved the entire party knows there is real fuckery to be revealed soon.

Notice that Person A wrote "the entire party," and Person B's "the Repubs are just a bunch of assholes" comment was in the very next post. There's no way to interpret Person A as meaning only "THE Republicans that were grilling Strzok," and since B's comment followed immediately, there's also no basis to presume that B was referring to just a few republicans. It's just basic reading comprehension.
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Re: Should dvdtalk get rid of the Politics Forum?

No. It's called understanding nuance, which you've also completely failed to do.
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No. It's called understanding nuance, which you've also completely failed to do.
Understanding nuance ≠ manufacturing nuance. Nice try, though.
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Understanding nuance ≠ manufacturing nuance. Nice try, though.
Manufactured? Like this:

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The post mspmms referred to named specific DVD Talk members as "white supremacists."
1. mspmms said someone said "DVD Talk members are all White Supremacist" except for the fact that nobody said that. If he didn't mean ALL DVD Talk members, then he shouldn't have said the word ALL.
If you can somehow infer that "the Repubs are just a bunch of assholes" in the context of that discussion refers to ALL Republicans when it was obviously about those grilling the FBI agent in that hearing, then why can't you infer the same when someone actually uses the word ALL when they say "(by name) DVD Talk members are all White Supremacist" ? Maybe because you're being disingenuous? Hmm...

2. And if that was the only thing that was said, it would be a personal insult, but since you're so interested in context (when it fits your narrative), what was actually said was (and I'll remove the names, to avoid a biased interpretation):

XXXXX, you're a white supremacist. Not in the KKK marching in the street sense, but in the sense that you enjoy the comforts of a system designed to elevate white men above all others, and you seek to expand those systems. YYYYYYY, you are too. And ZZZ ZZZZZZZ and WWWWWW. But I'm not saying this to shame you. I'm saying this in the hopes that you'll break out of the paradigm you exist in, and begin to see things from another perspective, a more nuanced perspective, and help to break the cycle of white supremacy that plagues this country.
Instead of responding to the content of that observation -- a nuanced observation made after years of interaction with those posters on topics related to race -- mspmms complains that they said "DVD Talk members are all White Supremacist" which they did not say, and you ignore the full statement because "white supremacist" is a loaded term. One can be a white supremacist without marching the streets yelling "You will not replace us!" but maybe that's some kind of "manufactured nuance" you'd rather continue to dismiss.

edit: Perhaps my comments above seem a bit aggressive. That's not my intent. Let me rephrase it in a different way: if mspmms or anyone else feels that those two posts are inappropriate, then they've got the right to call them out and give an explanation (to the mods, in their own words, unless they feel comfortable explaining his own reasoning publicly) why he thinks those posts should be against the rules, but explanations given out of proper context ("He called them white supremacists! personal attack!" or guilt by association like "he said the repubs are assholes after someone else said 'the entire party'! Generalization!") are of no value to fostering honest discussion. I'm not saying the posts aren't questionable behavior (something the mods can determine themselves), just that it's pretty disingenuous to say something along the lines of, "Should people be allowed to call each other white supremacists or say republicans are assholes?" when ignoring the sentences or words from the same person that came immediately after it. We can all do better than that.

edit2: and just to dive a little bit deeper
Notice that Person A wrote "the entire party," and Person B's c comment was in the very next post. There's no way to interpret Person A as meaning only "THE Republicans that were grilling Strzok," and since B's comment followed immediately, there's also no basis to presume that B was referring to just a few republicans.
This is completely unsound and invalid logic because it, again, ignores the contents and context of the overall discussion. You can cherry pick a few select words from two sentences all you like, if that's your strategy here, but it's quite obviously a discussion about the hearing, as was the case for most of the discussion in that thread that day both before and after those posts were made. Either you can't see that, or you're pretending you can't for the sake of making a fallacious point. Sure they could have been worded better, but those upset by those statements were free to ask for clarification at any time.

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Old 07-16-18, 10:17 AM
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I'm going to ask again, is posting in a thread (by name) DVD Talk members are all White Supremacist? Is posting "Repubs are just a bunch of assholes" OK?
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edit: Perhaps my comments above seem a bit aggressive. That's not my intent. Let me rephrase it in a different way: if mspmms or anyone else feels that those two posts are inappropriate, then they've got the right to call them out and give an explanation...
This is why we all need to refrain from the racist discussion, as there is none. It's all accusatory from both sides, and let's be realistic...proves nothing and adds nothing to the conversation here. The echo's of arguments made online don't need to be brought into Politics, and they are just rehashed over and over when the topic comes up.

It should be mostly up to the person making the comment, who needs to mostly make sure they are not offending others. A generous, "what I mean is", would be great versus, "Because you identify with X, therefore you are Y." type of nonsense.

In other words, you can't hide behind comprehension deficits, Dan. You have to make up for them since you're the one making the accusation and bringing the topic up. After all, because you're the one making the comments, it is trusted you should be in a better position to convey your meaning.

If not, then don't make the comment.

For example, if I'm going to say most Xcrats or Rcans are racist...I better explain myself. The opinion is fine. Everyone has a right to believe whatever they want. But to take it further, one needs to elaborate extensively on why that view is held, and to address the opposition participating in that forum, that they are not being grouped in that category because the fact of the situation is...they don't know enough about the opposing posters to make such a claim.

If they are...then we're talking defamatory commentary which certainly has traducing qualities, because none of us knows each other so well as to ascertain racist qualities.

These days, calling a person racist has a lot of stigma attached to it, and can embarrass the person, at the least. This is against IB's rules. There is no way around it. So my suggestion like I said in the beginning, is to refrain from making comments that would even suggest participants on the forum are racist or even have that quality.

If you do? It is NOT up the receiving end of the person to attempt to try and make you or the mods understand. It is up to YOU to convince that person you did not mean illicit intent, since YOU decided to bring that argument into the discussion.

It is up to YOU, to make darn sure you know what you're doing.

The Politics forum is just that. Politics. Talking policies is what is supposed to be happening, versus being a soundboard for free accusatory commentary.

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