The second part of your post makes it difficult to respond since you seem to be admitting you are out of line?

However, Geoff has already explained what the hold up is and you seem to be missing it. The new version of Vbulletin, Version 3 has been promised from the software developers. Forum owners have been reading about this new version and what features it would have. One new features was the premium membership thing.

The developers have not come out with hard dates on when it would be released, but most everyone expected it a long time ago. Like over a year. It went out as beta and some sites have been using it. It would not be unreasonable to have expected it to be released a little while ago. And it still slips away farther down the line.

So reasonable expectations aside, if the site owner has to shift gears and write his own hack to implement the features that he was expecting in Version 3, that is going take some time.

In the meantime, the site continues to cost money.

I don't think it's fair to try to paint Geoff as having one simple motivation. I don't think it's accurate at all. Like many of the people that help out on this site, the reasons are many and varied. Just like any job one does. Do you do it for personal glory or is it all about the paycheck? I suspect for most people, it's a combination of factors. What I think I know about Geoff is that he takes pride in having created a community that provides value to other people. I see very little of Geoff proclaiming his status around this site, or being heavy handed like many other site owners have shown themselves to be. I don't see this as vainglorious. I also don't see the profit motive as primary. But I do recognize that Geoff has a very heavy bleed rate. Bandwidth is not cheap and this site eats it up.

I think the issue of the premium membership is not really relevant. It may or may not happen. It may happen at some point in time. In the meantime the site uses certain advertising. If the advertising is too much for you that the pain is greater than the value the site brings, then it makes sense to not visit, until such time that the ratio changes.

I do think it's a good thing to let Geoff know that you are not happy with the advertising. I think that is good feedback. But questioning his motives and calling him out is not cool. IMO.

Geoff just take your time. I ain't goin' anywhere.

Nice to see you managed anyway. ;)
And yes, I was/am out of line. Maybe I should start a thread about my frustration with life. But then again I'm not in any of the cliques so it probably woundn't get much response.


It is a basic fact that people are motivated by one of two things; either the seeking of pleasure, or the avoidance of pain. I didn't intend to say that money was his primary motive, but this site is a business and it takes money to run a business. Geoff's cheerleaders make it sound like Geoff is running this site ONLY for our benefit. Sorry, but he's getting what he wants out of it, either money or self-satisfaction. I don't applaud anyone for simply doing what they enjoy.


That's unfortunate if it doesn't happen. I got the impression it would.


Again, someone stating the obvious. I'll assume you're trying to tactfully say "don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out".


Questioning is basic to human nature. Sorry if I don't know Geoff as well as others or put him on a pedestal.

Jim In Cincy: Why is the fact of this taking so long, causing this kind of response? All I figure is that the longer it takes, the longer it will be before I have to pay for it. That seems fine. I would like some of the features that may come with.

Mostly the money will be paid to thank Geoff for what this place has been. A great place to hang out alot. Clicking the popups is a bit annoying but it is going away soon. I stop from getting too worked up by remembering this is the first place I ever came to. And I stayed.

Come on over to the Otter section and say something about .... kvrdave?

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Pop-ups are my pet peeve. And as I've said before, Geoff has noted that we'd have membership to get rid of the pop-ups. It's the "carrot on the stick" that makes each pop-under more irritating. That's how I feel. Others feel differently I guess.

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Don't talk me out of paying for a membership fee. :lol:

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Who's he? :hscratch:

Well, come take a look. We have pics. ;)

I'm not sure why anyone is being so hard on Jim in Cincy. I think that it is a valid concern that the site continues to get more ads and pop ups (especially when cpu utilization goes up to nearly 80% when they pop up -- doesn't happen elsewhere). If it is only a temporary thing, fine, but I can understand the frustration. I wish the membership would come tomorrow because I'm excited about it. How it is an insult to make suggestions about customer service, I don't know (perhaps someone could explain as I'm truly confused). Of course we appreciate this site existing. I personally think it's better than any similiar site. But sometimes people seem to act as though Geoff will be getting the next Nobel prize for his generous contribution to dvd lovers. I'm just saying... :D

Bless You. http://christiansurvivors.com/forums...ilies/tear.gif

I love you. I'll father your children.

As you know not only am I receptive to feedback I encourage it (thus this entire forum area devoted to feedback)! I think the difficult thing here is that Jim in Cincy isn't just asking questions about customer service, he's taking out his frustration about things happening in his own life and taking them out on me personally.

But even after admitting and apologizing for his attitude he's continued to take an approach that is more combative and abrasive than focused on addressing the issue at hand (Pop-Unders)

The key issue here isn't ME it's the pop-unders and The Paid membership option, but Jim in Cincy seems hell bent on making me the focuse of his frustration despite the fact that I have addressed and continue to address the key issue at hand.

Feeback is welcome, expressing frustration over something is welcome, but personal attacks aren't.

True to an extent. I apologize.



The thread changed when one of your cheerleaders stepped up to defend you. Re-read early posts. Others too are frustrated. Not only by the pop-ups themselves but by the drain it puts on their connection. How about a "sorry folks for the inconvenience"? Or even a heads-up that you were going to do two pop-ups? My thread was created because it was needed.



Address it, put us off again.... Choose whatever word works for you Geoff.



I'll take responsibility for my words. Will others?

I know everyone's short on time because of all the extra right-clicking-and-closing of the second pop-under, so I just wanted to summarize the thread in case people wanted to get the gist without reading two pages of posts.

Static I couldn't have said it better. And I think that caps this thread.

The 2 pops was of course an anomoly. It lasted less than a week and it ended. Just like this thread.