TWO bleeping pop-unders?????
 

:grunt: Ok Geoffrey, you know how I and others hate the pop-unders. And we've been patiently waiting for the pay-method, but now you're resorting to TWO pop-ups when I come here? What gives? Not getting enough money? Hurry up and get the blasted new servers running. :grunt:

weird..

only ONE of my pop-unders bleeped..

guess i'm not special enough.. :(

Re: TWO bleeping pop-unders?????
 

The yet-to-be-released final version of vBulletin 3.0 is the hold-up, not new servers. Geoff has no control whatsoever over when the next version of vBulletin makes it out of beta.

the second one is acting as a pop up for me. some stupid amc holloween thing I think, I've been closing it before it finishes but at least once it was an amc thing

Re: Re: TWO bleeping pop-unders?????
 

Got this from a 10/22 post by Geoff at this thread http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthr...5&pagenumber=5
The point is that this site is now causing TWO pop-ups/unders to happen. Geoff has been talking about going to memberships for quite some time. Get it going Geoff!!! My money is burning a hole in my pocket (or maybe it's the tacos I had for lunch burning the hole......)

For 1 week and 1 week only we're running a campaign which includes a few pop-ups. But this time around we've got the cookie control MUCH better taken care of thus we're finding that people aren't getting pop-city on every page.

The bad news is that the RC of the next version of the forum is now slated for the END of Novmeber, so I'm probably going to be doing a PLAN 'B' and rolling out the membership program with the current version some time in the next 2 weeks!

My CPU utilization skyrockets to over 75% due to IEXPLORER when the pop-unders try to get "served" when I go and refresh a DVDTalk page after some time of inactivity, and renders my IEXPLORER sluggish for a good couple of minutes for other webpages as well. This is annoying.

The halloween popup totally freezes my IE program until it displays.

I can't switch to another browser window that I had up previously or do anything else until it displays.
I'm not as anti-popup/popunder as others. But I can't wait for the halloween popup to disappear.

Yeah, but Geoff is making money!!!!! :D


Seriously Geoff, there are other good websites that don't have this much pop-unders. Such as http://www.fark.com/ for "Other" type threads, http://forums.anandtech.com/ for "Hot Deal" type threads, should I list others?

Well, if you don't like the ads there, you're free to just visit those forums. ;)

I assume you mean the ads here.

Thank you Mr. Obvious ;)

And I do visit those sites. ;)

But that's not the whole point. Geoff keeps saying he's going to change things like going to membership but he hasn't. And now he's increased the pop-unders. I and others have a right to complain. OK?? ;)

I don't mind the ads. It lets me enjoy this great site for free.

Geoff is working on the membership, give him a break. Be greatful he puts so much work into this site, and is lucky if he even breaks even on it.

Your feeling, and I respect that. Myself and others get tired of the pop-unders.


Yes, he says he is working on the membership, but he keeps missing his promised dates.


This site is a business. One with a theme he happens to have an interest in. I don't owe him anything for his creation of this site (sorry Geoff). If he is not breaking even (and he has been or the site wouldn't still exist unless he's a bad businessman and doesn't know when to get out) he'll move on to something else. Sorry, but no sympathy/gratefulness here.

That's a bit harsh. If you have to at least break even to have a site, the Internet would be a lonely place. I don't think Geoff's in this for the business aspect. The business aspect is here to offset a small percentage of the cost of this hobby.

Sites have been dropping like flies. The dream to make money off the internet is waaaay over. As a matter of fact CNN has a report today on how many dead sites there are on the internet.

Do you really think that? So Geoff is independently wealthy and will keep this site running even if it's in the red? I don't think so. Geoff is here for the money and the personal kick he gets in being master of his domain.

Weigh in any time Geoff. I know you're reading this section. I saw your post on another thread.

Well, for one Geoff's wife runs a cosmetic site/business and Geoff may do other stuff besides run this site.

Jim, if you really understood what it takes to run this site I think you'd be taking a very different tact with your feedback here.

The truth of DVD Talk is that at it's core... it's me. We have a ton of people who help contribute to the site, and the site wouldn't be here without them. But when it comes to making major changes, dealing with ads, moving servers, or anything that fundamentally effects the site, the task falls on my shoulders.

If you look over my posts about Membership, we've never set a hard date, the intent has always been to

a) Upgrade our servers
b) wait for the forum software with built in paid membership to be released

This past week we got word that the first Release Candidate for VB3 wouldn't be out until the END of November. If you've been following it at all, the development time for it has been amazingly slow. Last week I threw my hands in the air and decided we can't wait for it to be released, so I started work on integrating it with the current software. This is not a trivial task and one that takes some time.

I know advertising like pops are annoying, but the advertisers demand that it be part of their campaign in order to even get the campaign.

DVD Talk isn't here to stroke my ego, ask anyone who helps with the site if there's ANY EGO at work from my end and they'll tell you the way it is. Also it's not here to make me or anyone else rich. Running an online site it an extremely difficult job, one that takes more time and effort than comparable jobs in other fields, If you do a search on all my posts and look at the way I run this site you'll see it's been with a consistant vision and the guiding principle of the big importance of our readers and members.

I can understand your frustration about the pops, and I always encourage member feedback, but you're really crossing a line here from expressing frustration to attacking me and the site. Ultimately we do everything we can to make DVD Talk a great place to spend online time at, but if we're not meeting that for you then as it's been mentioned, we're not the only kid on the block.

Yes, I absoultely think that. If he was just in it for the money, this site would have been gone years ago. I would be completely shocked if there's ever been a time when the site has broken even. I see it as a hobby that started out small and has grown over time.

True, but this site if FULL of people with opinions and that's mine, even if it is totally wrong. Thanks for the enlightenment. I'll try to take you for your word.


True. The glory and the failure is on you.


While you haven't been specific you have noted in general terms (weeks) that such and such was going to happen. After awhile, and with the increase of pop-unders, you start sounding like someone who is stringing me and other along.


Other "quality" sites don't need multiple pop-ups. If your advertisers demand it of you but don't get away with it from other sites, then sorry but that falls on you as a failure.


What is your motivation? What do you get from running this site? Be honest. It's either money now or potential money in the future, or in some way running this site makes you feel good about yourself.


I am frustrated. And if that bothers you, too bad, or you can show your ego and get your feelings hurt and ban me. Or you can be a man and take some constructive criticism about what you haven't done that you've said you were going to do. And I see I got under your skin. It shows with your comment reminding me of what I said about other sites being out there. Reminding people of the obvious is weak Geoff.

Jim, you better drop it or you won't have to worry about ads or when the membership will start anymore.

Thanks for the "advice" Josh, but I'll speak for myself. Who are you anyway, Geoff's bodyguard? Back off.

Oh, by the way, when the membership is offered I intend to be one of the first to subscribe. I do like this site.

I was just pointing out that he said you already crossed the line, and ignoring that and continuing to argue wasn't a good idea if you want to stick around here. :D

There's criticism, there's constructive criticism and then there's the venom directed in the above statement.

Is really worth getting so heated over a few pop-ups?

No, of course not. But what does that have to do with this site's pop-ups? We're talking about month after month of pop-ups offset by Geoff's statements that he's going to give us an option to not have the pop-ups. It's like TORTURE.

Message to all, I am sincerely sorry about my attitude. I'm stressing. Life is beating me down. Depression. Anger. Not your fault. Sorry.

I'll gladly take a couple of pop-unders over paying a membership fee.

The second part of your post makes it difficult to respond since you seem to be admitting you are out of line?

However, Geoff has already explained what the hold up is and you seem to be missing it. The new version of Vbulletin, Version 3 has been promised from the software developers. Forum owners have been reading about this new version and what features it would have. One new features was the premium membership thing.

The developers have not come out with hard dates on when it would be released, but most everyone expected it a long time ago. Like over a year. It went out as beta and some sites have been using it. It would not be unreasonable to have expected it to be released a little while ago. And it still slips away farther down the line.

So reasonable expectations aside, if the site owner has to shift gears and write his own hack to implement the features that he was expecting in Version 3, that is going take some time.

In the meantime, the site continues to cost money.

I don't think it's fair to try to paint Geoff as having one simple motivation. I don't think it's accurate at all. Like many of the people that help out on this site, the reasons are many and varied. Just like any job one does. Do you do it for personal glory or is it all about the paycheck? I suspect for most people, it's a combination of factors. What I think I know about Geoff is that he takes pride in having created a community that provides value to other people. I see very little of Geoff proclaiming his status around this site, or being heavy handed like many other site owners have shown themselves to be. I don't see this as vainglorious. I also don't see the profit motive as primary. But I do recognize that Geoff has a very heavy bleed rate. Bandwidth is not cheap and this site eats it up.

I think the issue of the premium membership is not really relevant. It may or may not happen. It may happen at some point in time. In the meantime the site uses certain advertising. If the advertising is too much for you that the pain is greater than the value the site brings, then it makes sense to not visit, until such time that the ratio changes.

I do think it's a good thing to let Geoff know that you are not happy with the advertising. I think that is good feedback. But questioning his motives and calling him out is not cool. IMO.

Geoff just take your time. I ain't goin' anywhere.

Nice to see you managed anyway. ;)
And yes, I was/am out of line. Maybe I should start a thread about my frustration with life. But then again I'm not in any of the cliques so it probably woundn't get much response.


It is a basic fact that people are motivated by one of two things; either the seeking of pleasure, or the avoidance of pain. I didn't intend to say that money was his primary motive, but this site is a business and it takes money to run a business. Geoff's cheerleaders make it sound like Geoff is running this site ONLY for our benefit. Sorry, but he's getting what he wants out of it, either money or self-satisfaction. I don't applaud anyone for simply doing what they enjoy.


That's unfortunate if it doesn't happen. I got the impression it would.


Again, someone stating the obvious. I'll assume you're trying to tactfully say "don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out".


Questioning is basic to human nature. Sorry if I don't know Geoff as well as others or put him on a pedestal.

Jim In Cincy: Why is the fact of this taking so long, causing this kind of response? All I figure is that the longer it takes, the longer it will be before I have to pay for it. That seems fine. I would like some of the features that may come with.

Mostly the money will be paid to thank Geoff for what this place has been. A great place to hang out alot. Clicking the popups is a bit annoying but it is going away soon. I stop from getting too worked up by remembering this is the first place I ever came to. And I stayed.

Come on over to the Otter section and say something about .... kvrdave?

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Why is the fact of this taking so long, causing this kind of response?

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Pop-ups are my pet peeve. And as I've said before, Geoff has noted that we'd have membership to get rid of the pop-ups. It's the "carrot on the stick" that makes each pop-under more irritating. That's how I feel. Others feel differently I guess.

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Originally posted by Preacher
Mostly the money will be paid to thank Geoff for what this place has been.

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Don't talk me out of paying for a membership fee. :lol:

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Come on over to the Otter section and say something about .... kvrdave?

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Who's he? :hscratch:

Well, come take a look. We have pics. ;)

I'm not sure why anyone is being so hard on Jim in Cincy. I think that it is a valid concern that the site continues to get more ads and pop ups (especially when cpu utilization goes up to nearly 80% when they pop up -- doesn't happen elsewhere). If it is only a temporary thing, fine, but I can understand the frustration. I wish the membership would come tomorrow because I'm excited about it. How it is an insult to make suggestions about customer service, I don't know (perhaps someone could explain as I'm truly confused). Of course we appreciate this site existing. I personally think it's better than any similiar site. But sometimes people seem to act as though Geoff will be getting the next Nobel prize for his generous contribution to dvd lovers. I'm just saying... :D

Bless You. http://christiansurvivors.com/forums...ilies/tear.gif

I love you. I'll father your children.

As you know not only am I receptive to feedback I encourage it (thus this entire forum area devoted to feedback)! I think the difficult thing here is that Jim in Cincy isn't just asking questions about customer service, he's taking out his frustration about things happening in his own life and taking them out on me personally.

But even after admitting and apologizing for his attitude he's continued to take an approach that is more combative and abrasive than focused on addressing the issue at hand (Pop-Unders)

The key issue here isn't ME it's the pop-unders and The Paid membership option, but Jim in Cincy seems hell bent on making me the focuse of his frustration despite the fact that I have addressed and continue to address the key issue at hand.

Feeback is welcome, expressing frustration over something is welcome, but personal attacks aren't.

True to an extent. I apologize.



The thread changed when one of your cheerleaders stepped up to defend you. Re-read early posts. Others too are frustrated. Not only by the pop-ups themselves but by the drain it puts on their connection. How about a "sorry folks for the inconvenience"? Or even a heads-up that you were going to do two pop-ups? My thread was created because it was needed.



Address it, put us off again.... Choose whatever word works for you Geoff.



I'll take responsibility for my words. Will others?

I know everyone's short on time because of all the extra right-clicking-and-closing of the second pop-under, so I just wanted to summarize the thread in case people wanted to get the gist without reading two pages of posts.

Static I couldn't have said it better. And I think that caps this thread.

The 2 pops was of course an anomoly. It lasted less than a week and it ended. Just like this thread.