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Old 02-06-03 | 01:37 PM
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Re: Re: PArty bashing in "Other" is getting offensive and out of hand...AGAIN!

Originally posted by Dead
Uh, does the word "Shrub" mean anything to you?
7 entries found for shrub.
shrub1 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (shrb)
n.
A woody plant of relatively low height, having several stems arising from the base and lacking a single trunk; a bush.


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[Middle English schrubbe, from Old English scrybb. See sker-1 in Indo-European Roots.]

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shrub2 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (shrb)
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A beverage made from fruit juice, sugar, and a liquor such as rum or brandy.


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[From Arabic urb, a drink, from ariba, to drink. See rb in Semitic Roots.]

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shrub

\Shrub\, n. [OE. schrob, AS. scrob, scrobb; akin to Norw. skrubba the dwarf cornel tree.] (Bot.) A woody plant of less size than a tree, and usually with several stems from the same root.


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shrub

\Shrub\, v. t. To lop; to prune. [Obs.] --Anderson (1573).


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shrub

\Shrub\, n. [Ar. shirb, shurb, a drink, beverage, fr. shariba to drink. Cf. Sirup, Sherbet.] A liquor composed of vegetable acid, especially lemon juice, and sugar, with spirit to preserve it.


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shrub

n : a low woody perennial plant usually having several major branches [syn: bush]


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shrub: in CancerWEB's On-line Medical Dictionary


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Uh, did I not say it is bad on both sides???
Whatever, it looks as if nothing will be done.
So be it. It is not my forum.

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Old 02-06-03 | 01:49 PM
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If console bashing is not allowed, then certainly political parties, religions, and nationalities should also not be bashed.

What makes the Gamecube, and not Islam, immune to bashing anyway?
Old 02-06-03 | 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by diacritic
What makes the Gamecube, and not Islam, immune to bashing anyway?
Gamecube doesn't kill people who disagree with it?
Old 02-06-03 | 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by diacritic
If console bashing is not allowed, then certainly political parties, religions, and nationalities should also not be bashed.

What makes the Gamecube, and not Islam, immune to bashing anyway?
The console bashing was leading to flame wars and other problems that required moderator/admin action.

The political bashing hasn't.

Mini,

I don't read most of the threads in Other, so I couldn't really say whether it's gotten worse or not, but it's probably a function of the US being so close to war. Such a big event makes more people than usual interested in politics. Unfortunately, that's not going to really be resolved until the end of March at the earliest.

Given the (likely) temporary nature of this, the best the mods could probably do is to just make a thread asking folks to try to keep the political asides to a minimum when you aren't in a specifically political thread. But if they don't think it's that big a problem, or if more of the regulars don't chime in and agree with you, then they might see this as being more trouble than it's worth (as any time you try to tell Other how to post, they get a bit snippy).

Truthfully, people in general (and not just here) have always over-generalized the negatives of those who they disagree with. But the Other forum's had a good history of being able to just let that kind of thing slide. Personally it hasn't been bothering me, but then I mostly participate in the political threads of late.
Old 02-06-03 | 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by Bandoman
Gamecube doesn't kill people who disagree with it?
Infidel GET!
Old 02-06-03 | 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by Bandoman
Gamecube doesn't kill people who disagree with it?
Funny.

But not every Muslim is a terrorist; people in the other forum, however, act as if all Muslims are killers and terrorists. It's really disturbing to see such narrow-mindedness in a website that is dedicated to the discussion of the filmic arts.

My point is that certain groups are alienated from posting in the other forum because of the hostility toward certain religions or political leanings.

And as far as I can remember, having lived in three different Islamic countries, Muslims do not kill people who disagree with them. The most violent country I have lived in, the country I am living in now, is the US.

I will not go into the fact that only the tiniest percentage of Muslims even think about actions that would be deemed terroristic.

But, I'll leave there since I have no intention of, pardon the pun, hijacking this thread.

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Old 02-06-03 | 03:11 PM
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Funny.

But not every Muslim is a terrorist; people in the other forum, however, act as if all Muslims are killers and terrorists. It's really disturbing to see such narrow-mindedness in a website that is dedicated to the discussion of the filmic arts.

My point is that certain groups are alienated from posting in the other forum because of the hostility toward certain religions or political leanings.
The Other forum is a pretty free ranging area for the discussion of a wide range of topics and viewpoints. And it's an area of the forum reserved for that purpose. In fact, discussions of the filmic arts is only a secondary function (or even tertiary as it is primarily concerned with DVDs and finding bargains for same) which is supposed to take place in the Movie Talk forum.

The majority of the members, however, do NOT think that all Muslims are killers and terrorists and I think they would be offended, and rightly so, to be characterized as holding such an opinion.

Religion bashing is something that's gone on here for a long time, and Islam is not necessarily being singled out any more than Christianity. The moderators do their best to keep this kind of thing to a minimum, and if you see something you find offensive, you should report the post to a moderator using the provided link so that a warning can be issued if necessary.

But there's a difference between simply bashing something and having an intellectually honest disagreement with it. We've had many discussions on both sides of the religion arguments.

It's the same for politics.

Because of the diversity of opinion, there's always going to be something in the Other forum that someone doesn't agree with. But don't let the ingnorant statements of a few interfere with either your enjoyment or participation in the site.
Old 02-06-03 | 03:27 PM
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Originally posted by diacritic
And as far as I can remember, having lived in three different Islamic countries, Muslims do not kill people who disagree with them. The most violent country I have lived in, the country I am living in now, is the US.
http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe...sts/index.html

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/flash_5.html

It may not be fair to say "all Muslims kill people who disagree," but it's just as inaccurate to say "no Muslims kill people who disagree." And it seems like, at least in other countries, a surpisingly large number of them feel it's religiously justified.

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Originally posted by Groucho
Infidel GET!
Bravo.
Old 02-06-03 | 03:29 PM
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Thanks David, I didn't mean to lump everyone in Other under the same umbrella, and I do agree that the more ignorant posts have been few, but they do lead to a snowball effect, with other members agreeing with the original, factually incorrect post, making any disagreement seem wrong since it is in the minority.

Anyway, this problem--if I may call it such--is something that is restricted to Other and does not take away enjoyment from the rest of the site...
Old 02-06-03 | 03:41 PM
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Originally posted by CaptainMarvel
http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe...sts/index.html

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/flash_5.html

It may not be fair to say "all Muslims kill people who disagree," but it's just as inaccurate to say "no Muslims kill people who disagree." And it seems like, at least in other countries, a surpisingly large number of them feel it's religiously justified.
The local and national laws of Nigeria and Saudia Arabia are based on misinterpretations of the Qu'ran. You'll notice in countries like these a few make the laws and the rest have to follow them. Most of these laws are centuries old and have yet to be changed. It's like seeing people dancing on the street after the Columbia tragedy--if you don't dance on the street for the Western cameraman you'll get you nuts cut off. I am lucky enough to be from an Islamic country that is able to separate religion from politics.
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Ok, now I'm a terrorist for hijacking this thread.
Old 02-06-03 | 04:12 PM
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Infidel GET!
Old 02-06-03 | 06:08 PM
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Look at the Michael Moore "Bowling For Columbine DVD announced" thread in DVDtalk a while back. Didn't take long at all for the damn thing to turn into bashing liberal Mike Moore, comments which IMHO had no place whatsoever in a thread about the release of the DVD.
Old 02-07-03 | 05:14 PM
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Looks like Other isn't the only place this happens.

http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthr...hreadid=268621
Old 02-08-03 | 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by X
Looks like Other isn't the only place this happens.

http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthr...hreadid=268621
It's not too bad,you only have to sift through two pages
of mindless political blathering to get the answer to the
question that was originally posted.
Old 02-09-03 | 06:53 PM
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The majority of the members, however, do NOT think that all Muslims are killers and terrorists and I think they would be offended, and rightly so, to be characterized as holding such an opinion.
I don't know, look in any thread about the middle east, and you'll quickly see several posts with rolleyes talking about Islam being a "religion of peace", obviously inferring that it is anything but, and lots of endorsements for the "friends and families" program.

Sometimes I think the Other Forum should have it's own link on the Drudge Report.
Old 02-10-03 | 09:27 PM
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What about this thread in Movie Talk, which was created to discuss some comments George Clooney made during a press conference?

With no provocation and seemingly completely out of the blue, it turns into:

Looney Clooney is a typical liberal in every way.......He's with you 100% unless you're against him or the party line.

"Liberals, the most intolerant people on the face of the earth."


BTW: I remember a thread in which it was asked if there was an actor / actress you wouldn't watch because you dislike them so much. I noted Hanoi Jane "The Traitor" Fonda. Add Lefty Looney Clooney to that list. I will never watch another movie in which he's in. He disgusts me.
followed by a series of vomiting smilies.

I mean, seriously, what the...? I'm not offended or anything, but yikes!
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Originally posted by ctyner
With no provocation and seemingly completely out of the blue, it turns into:
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followed by a series of vomiting smilies.

I mean, seriously, what the...? I'm not offended or anything, but yikes!

FWIW, if I were the mod in that forum and you reported this post, I would strip out about three of four of the posts. Another mod might treat it differently, so I'm not saying that reporting it would ensure it was changed. Still, I do have to wonder if anyone has even taken the time to report it. Often things like this will bother people, but they won't take the time to tell us about it.

It might also be worth noting in relation to my moderating that comments I might let go in The Other Forum I wouldn't let go as far in TV Talk as the purpose of the forums is different. I suspect that at least some of the other moderators feel the same way.
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Originally posted by Dead
Still, I do have to wonder if anyone has even taken the time to report it.
It was up around 30 hours by the time I stumbled upon it, and I assumed that anyone who would've reported the post probably had done so already. I realize that's not always a safe assumption to make , so I went ahead and filled out the form.
Old 02-11-03 | 06:52 PM
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Thanks David, I didn't mean to lump everyone in Other under the same umbrella, and I do agree that the more ignorant posts have been few, but they do lead to a snowball effect, with other members agreeing with the original, factually incorrect post, making any disagreement seem wrong since it is in the minority.

Anyway, this problem--if I may call it such--is something that is restricted to Other and does not take away enjoyment from the rest of the site...
Not to crap or anything but I can't think of anyone who thinks or has said in the Other Forum that ALL Muslums are killers etc. Can you cite a particular thread?
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I don't know, look in any thread about the middle east, and you'll quickly see several posts with rolleyes talking about Islam being a "religion of peace", obviously inferring that it is anything but, and lots of endorsements for the "friends and families" program.

Sometimes I think the Other Forum should have it's own link on the Drudge Report.
On this point, I won't disagree with you much (ie. I don't think it's as frequent as you seem to imply). I do, however, think there's a difference between criticizing a religion, vs. a people. The latter being what I was addressing, and I assumed the person I was responding to was talking about.
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Now THIS is a good idea.
http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthr...5&pagenumber=2
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Originally posted by minifigg
Fine, there we disagree. BUT look at how much bashing is going on in "Other" these days. It is disgusting.
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I agree with mini. Things seem to be getting more and more out of control. One makes reasoned posts that express an honest opinion and proceed to get flamed relentlessly with statements that border on personal attacks. Civility seems to have gone out the Other window recently.
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Originally posted by Surf Monkey
Civility seems to have gone out the Other window recently.

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