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Old 12-09-17, 07:00 PM
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Warner Archive: Good & Bad

Got a WAC (Warner Archives) order today. The good part is WAC used to use blank discs with the manufacturer's id hidden; they are now using Verbatim mcc03rg20's.

The bad part is the quality scan (see below) is atrocious. I hope I can rip it; it appears to be damaged.

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Old 12-09-17, 07:23 PM
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Re: Warner Archive: Good & Bad

Which title is it?
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Old 12-10-17, 02:51 AM
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It was Smilin' Through; though the movie title really doesn't matter as they are burned individually, not mass produced.
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Re: Warner Archive: Good & Bad

Originally Posted by MooMooMooMoo View Post
Got a WAC (Warner Archives) order today. The good part is WAC used to use blank discs with the manufacturer's id hidden; they are now using Verbatim mcc03rg20's.

The bad part is the quality scan (see below) is atrocious. I hope I can rip it; it appears to be damaged.

What are we looking at here? Where is the damage?
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Old 12-10-17, 09:45 AM
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I was think of trying one of these discs, they just put out a bluray of Doc Hollywood. One of my favorite Michael J Fox movies.
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Re: Warner Archive: Good & Bad

I'd also be a little annoyed if that disk arrived for me, but I wouldn't call it damaged, just a bit out of spec. I'm sure it will play fine. I have DVD's that scan 10x worse and still (to the best of my knowledge) play okay. Are you able to re-scan just the area with increased PIF levels at 1x...which is how your DVD player will read it? The errors will either 1) appear worse, 2) diminish or disappear, or 3) not change much at all. I've seen all three.

BTW, if you don't recall from previous threads, your occasional posts like this prompted me to start scanning my collection several years ago. I'm still hundreds of disks in the hole but catch up a little more each month.
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Old 12-10-17, 11:00 AM
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I was think of trying one of these discs, they just put out a bluray of Doc Hollywood. One of my favorite Michael J Fox movies.
Warner Archive's Blu-Rays are all pressed, so buy with confidence. The first batch of their DVD's occasionally get pressed as well, particularly for multi-disk sets that Warner expects to sell in large quantities. The recent "Porky Pig 101" set is an example.
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Old 12-10-17, 09:11 PM
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What are we looking at here? Where is the damage?
I consider an acceptable score to be 95 with no more than 300 PI Failures.

WAC's, never hit that; but those red lines are major errors that many players won't play at all, & would definitely deteriorate quickly.

The moral of the story is always back up any burned disc you buy as soon as you get it.

This refers to dvd-r; I don't know much about burned blu-ray's. I believe the jury is still out on longevity.
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Old 12-10-17, 09:12 PM
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Warner Archive's Blu-Rays are all pressed, so buy with confidence. The first batch of their DVD's occasionally get pressed as well, particularly for multi-disk sets that Warner expects to sell in large quantities. The recent "Porky Pig 101" set is an example.
Agreed. That's why I bought 1st editions of the entire Forbidden Hollywood set.

Grapevine does sell burned blu's; I personally wouldn't take that risk.
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Old 12-10-17, 09:16 PM
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I'd also be a little annoyed if that disk arrived for me, but I wouldn't call it damaged, just a bit out of spec. I'm sure it will play fine. I have DVD's that scan 10x worse and still (to the best of my knowledge) play okay. Are you able to re-scan just the area with increased PIF levels at 1x...which is how your DVD player will read it? The errors will either 1) appear worse, 2) diminish or disappear, or 3) not change much at all. I've seen all three.

BTW, if you don't recall from previous threads, your occasional posts like this prompted me to start scanning my collection several years ago. I'm still hundreds of disks in the hole but catch up a little more each month.
I can't scan at 1x. I have had a number of discs go bad over the years, which is why I'm so fanatical about this. Since CMC bought Tayio Yuden, their are no blank discs that I trust at this time. Fortunately I stocked up on the JVC TY's (still not as good as the originals) & should have a lifetime supply (I'm 60) barring fire, flood, deterioration from sitting unused on the shelf, etc.
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Old 12-11-17, 02:27 PM
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I'm surprised to hear most Warner Bros. Archive Blu-ray titles are pressed discs.

It's another hurdle that Blu-ray was never able to clear was the fact that small-runs of titles were incredibly expensive due to all of the flat-rate, front-loaded licensing fees that made pressing anything under 5,000 units prohibitively expensive.

DVDs could be pressed for so much cheaper even on quantities as low as 500, which makes me wonder why so many DVD Warner Archive titles were burned DVD-Rs and not pressed.
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Warner did not want to keep inventory, that is why Archive went to DVD-R for every release. It's a decision made by accountants.
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Originally Posted by PhantomStranger View Post
Warner did not want to keep inventory, that is why Archive went to DVD-R for every release. It's a decision made by accountants.
Pressing Blu-ray Archival Titles = Much higher per unit price + having to press a larger volume of each title than DVD.
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warner did not want to keep inventory, that is why archive went to dvd-r for every release. It's a decision made by accountants.
yep.
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