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Old 07-25-13 | 02:59 PM
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Re: So concerned with longevity of my collection

Originally Posted by rbrown498
Thanks for the support, Ash. I hope that I don't anger others by making another post in this thread, but here goes.



First, CJ, yes, I'm 50, and maybe my age has something to do with my acceptance of the possibility of my collection failing, but there's also my personal philosophy that it's just STUFF. Sure, I love my collection, and I add to it on an almost daily basis, but it's only a chunk of who I am. Some people seem to allow their hobbies and collections of stuff to define them. Yeah, I'm known as a movie nut among my friends and co-workers, but I do have other interests.

Back when VHS was the rage, there was always the thought in the back of my mind that there could be some sort of massive cosmic electromagnetic event that would wipe out all my tapes all at once. Of course it never happened, but it was still a concern of mine. So I get where you're coming from, but I've discovered as I've gotten older that worrying about stuff that I have no control over is a fruitless endeavor. If something's gonna happen, it's gonna happen, and you just pick up and move on as best you can.

As for backing up DVDs to a portable hard drive, when I started buying Warner Archive MOD DVD-Rs, I figured that I DID want to back those up, as I'd heard that they had a much greater probability of failing than regular pressed DVDs. So I bought a 500 GB portable hard drive and backed up all of the MOD discs that I own, and when I buy new ones now I back those DVDs up as soon as I get them. If you tackle the task in a systematic way, it's really not as onerous as it sounds. Most DVDs take, at a maximum, around 15 minutes to rip to the hard drive, but a lot of them rip in under 5 minutes. I'll start a DVD backup on the computer, then watch something on TV or make a phone call and check back on it in a few minutes. Done! So I start the next one. Like I said, if you approach it systematically and back up 5-10 discs a day plus any new ones that you acquire, you can get it done with zero stress in only a few months. I saw a 3TB drive online for around $100--you could buy it, work on filling it up, and buy another when it's full. One of those would probably hold close to half of your collection.

Just remember--you've got your discs now, and no one's gonna take them away tomorrow. Your backup project doesn't have to be accomplished overnight. Start with the discs you're most worried about, then move on to the others. If you keep at it diligently, you could have your collection totally backed up by the end of the year.

Hope some of this helps.
Why do you feel the HD has less chance of failing than the DVD-R disc? Data on an HD is supposed to be backed up also. I guess after backing the Mod discs to the HD you could turn around and back the HD up to DVD-R discs. Or skip the HD and and back the discs up directly to another disc. Where does it end? Do you keep the HD in safe deposit box at bank in case house burns down?
I use to worry about this stuff and finally said fuck it. If it goes it goes. If something becomes unavailable I will back it up because I can't buy a replacement, that's about it.

So far, no disc has failed because of passage of time. Any disc that has failed is because of improper handling or inferior manufacture. Inferior manufacture to include:badly encoded, bad burning software, bad ripping software, bad burner drive, bad pressing, inferior/bad discs used. There has been no across the board mass failing of discs manufactured before a certain date.
Even when everything is across the board top notch with a disc there can be problems. There can be compatibility issues with different discs. Some players won't play certain discs. If a cheap ass player will play a disc, but a high end one won't, the problem is the high end player. The high end player is missing the codec, or whatever, to play that type of disc. This may be the real problem of the future. DVD players are cheaper made than they used to be and may cause problems. Someone mentioned they had older dvd players stashed away new in the box, wish I had done that. There is thread where someone mentions his Sony Blu-ray player won't recognize Warner Archive discs, but they play fine in his dvd player.

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Old 07-25-13 | 04:57 PM
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Re: So concerned with longevity of my collection

Originally Posted by rw2516
Why do you feel the HD has less chance of failing than the DVD-R disc? Data on an HD is supposed to be backed up also. I guess after backing the Mod discs to the HD you could turn around and back the HD up to DVD-R discs. Or skip the HD and and back the discs up directly to another disc. Where does it end? Do you keep the HD in safe deposit box at bank in case house burns down?

I use to worry about this stuff and finally said fuck it. If it goes it goes. If something becomes unavailable I will back it up because I can't buy a replacement, that's about it.
From what I've read, although both storage formats will fail eventually, the hard drive is more stable because it doesn't use a dye to write its data. So, even if it has a marginally better chance of surviving longer and isn't too much more expensive than other options, I'll go for it. I'm not looking for the hard drive to be a permanent storage solution; I just want to have another copy around in case the original stops working. So, for me, unless it's original camera data (which possibly COULD deserve a safe deposit box), the backup dilemma ends at one copy. For others, they may want three, four, or more copies before they feel like they're sufficiently cushioned. I agree with the first two sentences of your second paragraph. It's just stuff. You can always buy more stuff.
Old 08-04-13 | 07:26 PM
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Re: So concerned with longevity of my collection

Also at issue is the fact that, because of streaming and licensing rights, many of the films we have today on DVD and Blu might not be available in the future. Some titles are still languishing on analog VHS with no hope of a digital release. They need to be *preserved* in a digital format. That's the beauty and legitimate usefulness of torrents.

Also important is being able to back up your collection to a viable medium. Hard drives is not it. SSDs not either. In 20 years, we'll have something that makes it easy and permanent. This technology will still enable you to be in control (not the studios or licensing rights), for it will alleviate the streaming equation and you'll still have access to the films you've bought in a non-DRM format.
Old 08-06-13 | 08:54 AM
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Re: So concerned with longevity of my collection

Hardly watch any DVDs now and even films I have that are available streaming or in HD; I watch them that way. DVDs look pretty awful on a 1080p display. I'll hold onto my collection for special features, packaging and nostaglia...but the real issue is not how long will they last, but when am I just going to pack them up into boxes and wait to show them to my grand-kids.
Old 08-06-13 | 11:27 AM
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Re: So concerned with longevity of my collection

It's still a toss-up with HD streaming- there's more detail but also more compression, plus nothing on Netflix will be available forever.

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