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Old 08-11-13 | 05:14 PM
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I've been taking a break from animation to finish that Buck Rogers in the 25th Century S1 set I picked up a few weeks back (just watched a *horrible* "disco" episode) and Django Unchained a friend loaned me (very good overall). After the last 2 eps. of Buck Rogers... I think I'll finish off that Popeye V1 set since I'm on the last disk.

I finished Danger Mouse yesterday AM. I'd only seen a few eps. on TV *years* back and picked up the set a couple of years back as a mostly blind buy. I really enjoyed it. Good spy spoof stuff with lots and lots of puns mixed in with dry British humor. My grandson came in while I was on the *last* disk and said "I didn't know you had Danger Mouse! We need to do a marathon and watch the entire series!" He couldn't have come in a few days earlier when I was on the 2nd disk, eh?

It didn't register that the voice of Danger Mouse is David Jason (Del Boy on Only Fools and Horses and a few other popular British series) until I finished the series. Then I discover he also voices Count Duckula.
Old 08-11-13 | 07:45 PM
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Just watched Waking Life by Richard Linkletter.

Whoa. I don't even know what to say. 25 minutes in I thought I was not going to able to finish watching this. But now, do I view the world differently? Yes. I think I do.
Old 08-11-13 | 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by BobO'Link
I finished Danger Mouse yesterday AM. I'd only seen a few eps. on TV *years* back and picked up the set a couple of years back as a mostly blind buy. I really enjoyed it. Good spy spoof stuff with lots and lots of puns mixed in with dry British humor. My grandson came in while I was on the *last* disk and said "I didn't know you had Danger Mouse! We need to do a marathon and watch the entire series!" He couldn't have come in a few days earlier when I was on the 2nd disk, eh?
I'm a huge fan of Danger Mouse which I used to watch on Nickelodeon when I was a kid. I didn't realize until much later that Danger Mouse and many of my favorite cartoons (Maple Town, The World of David the Gnome, Noozles) were imports.

I finished up Sealab 2021, and the last two seasons were not as bad as I remember. In the third season, the death of Harry Goz obliged the creators to replace Captain Murphy with Captain Tornado Shanks. Unfortunately, Murphy was the catalyst for most of the episodes and Shanks is not used in that capacity. Thus, many of the later episodes are rudderless and meander. The best episodes of the last few seasons feature Shanks taking on the Murphy role, such as "Let 'Em Eat Corn" in which Shanks' antics cause Sealab to split into multiple, dueling nations and "Neptunati" in which Shanks secret life gives the denizens of Sealab an all-powerful trident.

While some of the episodes are not as funny as I once thought ("Vacation" had younger me rolling with laughter and older me sitting in silence), most hold up quite well.
Old 08-12-13 | 11:09 AM
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Yesterday, I re-watched The Lion King, the first time on Blu-ray. From my Letterboxd diary:

***SPOILER ALERT FOR ANYONE READING EMAIL***
Spoiler:
No matter what the assertion from the writers in the DVD/Blu-ray bonus interviews, The Lion King is unquestionably an adaptation of Hamlet. For my money, it's also probably the greatest film in the Disney canon (though I'm awfully partial to Dumbo myself). It also features the best music of any Disney film, which is saying something. Even Hans Zimmer's score actually sounds like music instead of the droning bass notes that he's devolved into creating in recent years.

I hadn't seen The Lion King since some time in 2004 when I watched it on DVD. I gorged on the bonus interviews and such, and I was astounded to learn that it was made by Disney's B team and that they didn't have much faith in the film. The animation is spectacular and it's truly sad to realize we'll never again see the likes of this kind of production. I don't know that a CGI Lion King film would have nearly the same visual appeal as this traditional, hand drawn artwork.

Mufasa's death is still a powerful segment, from the beginning of the stampede through Simba escaping the hyenas. Offhand, I can't think of anything in mainstream animation quite on the same emotional level as that until the opening sequence of Up 15 years later. It's really the only part of the film that seems to take its time. The rest of it blows by at a very brisk, even rapid, pace.

I didn't realize that Rowan Atkinson was the voice of Zazu until I noticed his name in the end credits today. I've seen the movie probably a dozen times or more, mostly back in the VHS era, but I was oblivious to that.

I was also oblivious to a very credible interpretation of the film as being both racist and anti-immigrant in theme. It's a pretty convincing argument, summarized here on Wikipedia. I don't know how quickly I would have bought the anti-immigrant interpretation in 1994 but in 2013 it seems a lot clearer. That also means the film will be 20 years old next year, which in turn means I'm getting really old in a hurry.

Great.

Edit to Add
I forgot to mention, one thing I thought of this time through was the parallel between Simba and Hot Rod in The Transformers: The Movie. It dawned on me in the shot where Simba approaches Mufasa's body that it was a similar moment to Hot Rod approaching the fallen Optimus Prime. Then, of course, the classic character arc of self-discovery in exile before returning to reassert himself as the new leader. Someone should do a mashup video of either footage from The Transformers: The Movie set to "Circle of Life" or footage from The Lion King set to "Dare" (I don't think "The Touch" would work, but maybe).

The Lion King was re-ranked on my Flickchart to #40/1541


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-X- Watch 2 films from Filmspotting Top 100 Animated Films
-X- Watch 2 Annie Awards Best Animated Feature winners
-X- 1990 (1994)
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-X- G

I'm not really sure offhand what genre(s) it is.
Old 08-12-13 | 12:19 PM
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I’ve had a VHS copy of STARCHASER: THE LEGEND OF ORIN (1985) in my collection since the 1990s and I finally watched it for this. It’s quite a spectacular animated space sci-fi adventure and I was surprised to learn it had a $15 million budget and was originally shot and released in 3-D! It’s a U.S.-Korean co-production and it compares very well with anime space sci-fi movies from that period. The animation is very fluid and the backgrounds quite detailed. I understand that a lot of rotoscoping was involved.



It takes place a few thousand years in the future when humans are oppressed by robot masters and forced to work the mines miles below ground without even knowing what’s on the surface. One young man, Orin, finds a sword hilt which transmits a message from an elder from 1200 years ago and he escapes to go find the blade which goes with the hilt, which gives powers that only he can use. On the surface, he connects with a human smuggler named Dagg who teaches him how to negotiate his way through a cutthroat universe occupied by all manner of alien riffraff, occasional pockets of humans and a powerful robot force.

It got some theatrical release in the U.S. in 1985, but I don’t remember it playing in New York at all. I would love to have seen this on the big screen, at least in 2-D. My VHS copy is pan-and-scan, so when I learned that a DVD copy is still in print and available on Amazon (one copy left in stock), I ordered it.

Watching this reminded me that I still haven’t seen either HEAVY METAL or HEAVY METAL 2000, both of which I own (one on DVD and one on VHS). Hopefully, I can get to those for this challenge.
Old 08-12-13 | 06:50 PM
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I've slowed down my watching a bit, but have caught one or two here and there. Been watching "Alf: The Animated Adventures." I bought a disc of them somewhere cheap and just now watching them. They haven't held up. They are pretty bad and not in a good way. I remember liking them a lot when I originally watched it. Oh well.
Old 08-12-13 | 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by LJG765
I've slowed down my watching a bit, but have caught one or two here and there. Been watching "Alf: The Animated Adventures." I bought a disc of them somewhere cheap and just now watching them. They haven't held up. They are pretty bad and not in a good way. I remember liking them a lot when I originally watched it. Oh well.
I adored all things A.L.F. in my youth. I've not seen any of the live action or animated stuff in ages, though. I'm kind of afraid to. I want it to stay as entertaining in my memory as it was.
Old 08-12-13 | 07:34 PM
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I adored all things A.L.F. in my youth. I've not seen any of the live action or animated stuff in ages, though. I'm kind of afraid to. I want it to stay as entertaining in my memory as it was.
Yeah, I'm struggling to get through these episodes. There are 9 on this disc and I've watched 5. Hope to get the last 4 done with tonight or tomorrow and just be done with them. I really loved ALF as a kid. We still quote lines from the show in my family. Unfortunately, the animation is not holding up for me.

The show starts with a 2-3 min. blurb with the puppet ALF and then goes into the show. I don't know, I just feel it's not funny? good? anymore. Your way of not revisiting may have been the wiser choice!
Old 08-12-13 | 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Travis McClain
I adored all things A.L.F. in my youth. I've not seen any of the live action or animated stuff in ages, though. I'm kind of afraid to. I want it to stay as entertaining in my memory as it was.
Maybe that's why I'm having trouble getting into the challenge this year. Realizing that a lot of my childhood cartoons didn't hold up over time.
Old 08-12-13 | 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Travis McClain
Yesterday, I re-watched The Lion King, the first time on Blu-ray. From my Letterboxd diary:

***SPOILER ALERT FOR ANYONE READING EMAIL***


The Lion King
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-X- Watch 2 Annie Awards Best Animated Feature winners
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-X- Watch an animated movie that spawned a TV spin-off OR an animated movie that was based on an animated TV show
-X- G

I'm not really sure offhand what genre(s) it is.
I watched my new BD of The Lion King at the beginning of the challenge, and the film practically glows. It's one of my favorite Disney films (beat only by Beauty and the Beast and Sleeping Beauty). Watching the special features were really interesting, and I found myself wanting to know even more about the early story ideas.

Originally Posted by Ash Ketchum
I’ve had a VHS copy of STARCHASER: THE LEGEND OF ORIN (1985) in my collection since the 1990s and I finally watched it for this. It’s quite a spectacular animated space sci-fi adventure and I was surprised to learn it had a $15 million budget and was originally shot and released in 3-D! It’s a U.S.-Korean co-production and it compares very well with anime space sci-fi movies from that period. The animation is very fluid and the backgrounds quite detailed. I understand that a lot of rotoscoping was involved.
I've heard of this! Every time you add something to your list that I've heard of, I get excited! I'll have to check it out.
Old 08-13-13 | 12:01 AM
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I'm a huge fan of Danger Mouse which I used to watch on Nickelodeon when I was a kid. I didn't realize until much later that Danger Mouse and many of my favorite cartoons (Maple Town, The World of David the Gnome, Noozles) were imports.
All the best cartoons come from England. Or, as it turns out, sometimes Spain... like Dogtanian and Around the World With Willy Fog.

There's also all the great claymation and/or stop-motion shows - Postman Pat, Charlie Chalk, Bertha, MORPH - and things like The Magic Roundabout, which while obviously French originally took on a whole new life thanks to Eric Thompson. Bagpuss and The Clangers are before my time but very popular stop-motion shows, too.

Originally Posted by BobO'Link
It didn't register that the voice of Danger Mouse is David Jason (Del Boy on Only Fools and Horses and a few other popular British series) until I finished the series. Then I discover he also voices Count Duckula.
It's also him in Victor and Hugo.

Originally Posted by Travis McClain
Yesterday, I re-watched The Lion King, the first time on Blu-ray... I didn't realize that Rowan Atkinson was the voice of Zazu until I noticed his name in the end credits today. I've seen the movie probably a dozen times or more, mostly back in the VHS era, but I was oblivious to that.
So... what I'm getting from this is that all the best cartoons are British and/or feature British people.

Originally Posted by shadokitty
Maybe that's why I'm having trouble getting into the challenge this year. Realizing that a lot of my childhood cartoons didn't hold up over time.
I'm always happy when my childhood favorites DO hold up - and almost all of them do. I assume there's no conclusion to be drawn from that regarding UK and US shows, despite the above (perhaps slightly spurious!) claim...
Old 08-13-13 | 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by shadokitty
Maybe that's why I'm having trouble getting into the challenge this year. Realizing that a lot of my childhood cartoons didn't hold up over time.
I don't know. I've had a few where they're not quite as good as I remember, but didn't disappoint me. Most have held up quite well. I still love me some "Gummi Bears!" And I still watch the "Smurfs."
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Last night, I revisited The Lion King II: Simba's Pride. It did not go well. From my Letterboxd diary:

Spoiler:
When Disney acquired Pixar a decade ago, one of the conditions was that John Lasseter got the power of approval over all Disney animation projects. One of the first directives he gave was to cease the parade of mediocre direct-to-video sequels that the studio had cranked out through the 90s and early 00s. The Lion King II: Simba's Pride is exactly the lazy cash-in that he felt detracted from the prestige of Disney.

I had that perception of it when it was first released, which is why I passed on it at the time. When it came out on DVD in 2004, I had already picked up the collector's DVD gift set of the original film and I was riding high on a Lion King kick. In those days, I had the disposable income to indulge in library-building so I bought the DVD. I was pretty underwhelmed and haven't revisited it since until now.

"Underwhelmed" may have been generous.

The animation is pretty good. It doesn't wow, but it's not blatantly substandard. The music score has character. And at least they were able to bring back most of the voice cast, which does help add some legitimacy and consistency.

That's pretty much all the good I have to say about it. The story is predictable, in part because so much of it is little more than a redress of the first film, almost beat-by-beat. There's nothing original or new to be found here, except for the Outlanders being retroactively created as a contingent of lions loyal to Scar that were banished for conspiring with him. Paying even the slightest attention to the original film begs the question, "Who were these lions and where were they?" Contrivance is not a good basis for an antagonist, and that's the foundation for the conflict on which the story is built.

It doesn't help that the dialog is so perfunctory and uninspired. I mean, we're talking 1950s TV-level banality here. Every line they wrote for villainous Zira made me cringe. I can't tell if Suzanne Pleshette's delivery contributed to that effect, or if she saw how awful the lines were and gave them the reading they begged for.

The one place where the film ought to have had redemption was in its music. Here again, though, is failure. Aside from Nick Glennie-Smith's score, the music is entirely forgettable. There are hints of songs from the first film, which only serve to remind us how much better it was than this.

Fun trivia: "My Lullaby" was co-written by Joss Whedon. It's still mediocre.

I just wish John Lasseter had the power to retroactively nix this one.

The Lion King II: Simba's Pride was re-ranked on my Flickchart to #1485/1541


The Lion King II: Simba's Pride
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Old 08-13-13 | 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by LJG765
I've slowed down my watching a bit, but have caught one or two here and there. Been watching "Alf: The Animated Adventures." I bought a disc of them somewhere cheap and just now watching them. They haven't held up. They are pretty bad and not in a good way. I remember liking them a lot when I originally watched it. Oh well.
I forgot that Alf had an animated series. It's disappointing to hear that it is so poor. Does the original Alf series qualify for this challenge? I'd love an excuse to watch that show. I don't currently own it, but that's a problem easily rectified.
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Watched Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker last night and I continue to be amazed at how awesome this film is. Seriously, before The Dark Knight was released ROTJ was my favorite Batman film (just slightly edging out Mask of the Phantasm. I think one of the reasons why ROTJ works is because you really get a sense of just how evil The Joker really is. The character walks a very thin line between goofy and sociopath and many times he leans more toward goofy. In ROTJ you see the sociopath side with what happens to Tim Drake and Mark Hamill as always nails the voice acting.

I'm going to take a step back and revisit Sub Zero which I haven't seen in quite some time. I wasn't fond of it the first time I saw it but maybe my opinion will change. After that, it's more Clone Wars and then off to The Boondocks!
Old 08-13-13 | 08:35 AM
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I forgot that Alf had an animated series. It's disappointing to hear that it is so poor. Does the original Alf series qualify for this challenge? I'd love an excuse to watch that show. I don't currently own it, but that's a problem easily rectified.
I don't know if ALF was a man in a costume or was a puppet, if a puppet, I'd say yes.
Old 08-13-13 | 08:39 AM
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Seriously, before The Dark Knight was released ROTJ was my favorite Batman film (just slightly edging out Mask of the Phantasm.
Blasphemy!

I think one of the reasons why ROTJ works is because you really get a sense of just how evil The Joker really is. The character walks a very thin line between goofy and sociopath and many times he leans more toward goofy. In ROTJ you see the sociopath side with what happens to Tim Drake and Mark Hamill as always nails the voice acting.
Hamill had a hard time with that movie, because he was accustomed to voicing The Joker as kind of a playful bully. He didn't quite get the darkness they were going for that time.

I'm going to take a step back and revisit Sub Zero which I haven't seen in quite some time. I wasn't fond of it the first time I saw it but maybe my opinion will change.
I doubt it. In fact, my opinion of it actually dropped when I revisited it.

After that, it's more Clone Wars and then off to The Boondocks!
Hmm...I have The Boondocks The Complete First Season in my watched-but-unlogged list. If it interests you, I'd be game for syncing up and watching along with you. LJG765 and I just finished our tour through Captain Kirk's Five Year Mission (TOS and TAS) that way and it was a lot of fun. We watched our respective discs while chatting via Facebook about each episode.

Which reminds me, in case anyone cares, I'm on Facebook here.
Old 08-13-13 | 09:35 AM
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I've heard of this! Every time you add something to your list that I've heard of, I get excited! I'll have to check it out.
I'd be even happier if you'd check out the titles in my list that you haven't heard of.
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Originally Posted by Ash Ketchum
I’ve had a VHS copy of STARCHASER: THE LEGEND OF ORIN (1985) in my collection since the 1990s and I finally watched it for this. It’s quite a spectacular animated space sci-fi adventure and I was surprised to learn it had a $15 million budget and was originally shot and released in 3-D! It’s a U.S.-Korean co-production and it compares very well with anime space sci-fi movies from that period. The animation is very fluid and the backgrounds quite detailed. I understand that a lot of rotoscoping was involved.



It takes place a few thousand years in the future when humans are oppressed by robot masters and forced to work the mines miles below ground without even knowing what’s on the surface. One young man, Orin, finds a sword hilt which transmits a message from an elder from 1200 years ago and he escapes to go find the blade which goes with the hilt, which gives powers that only he can use. On the surface, he connects with a human smuggler named Dagg who teaches him how to negotiate his way through a cutthroat universe occupied by all manner of alien riffraff, occasional pockets of humans and a powerful robot force.

It got some theatrical release in the U.S. in 1985, but I don’t remember it playing in New York at all. I would love to have seen this on the big screen, at least in 2-D. My VHS copy is pan-and-scan, so when I learned that a DVD copy is still in print and available on Amazon (one copy left in stock), I ordered it.

Watching this reminded me that I still haven’t seen either HEAVY METAL or HEAVY METAL 2000, both of which I own (one on DVD and one on VHS). Hopefully, I can get to those for this challenge.
nostalgia - I remember seeing this in the theater in 3D - good times, now's where the bluray?
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nostalgia - I remember seeing this in the theater in 3D - good times, now's where the bluray?
Where did you see it, Giles? I'm curious to know what regions it played when it was released.
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I saw 'The Last Unicorn' yesterday at the AFI Silver and even though seeing it a second time, I've grown to like this movie even more. It was the icing on the cake to meet and greet with the author/screenwriter Peter S. Beagle and the post film Q&A was equally illuminating. Obviously the animation is from the same folk who did the Rankin/Bass animated 'The Hobbit'/'The Return of the King' and it's rather hard not to sing 'Frodo and the Nine Fingers' or 'The Greatest Adventure' but America singing the songs seem completely right.
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Originally Posted by Travis McClain
Hmm...I have The Boondocks The Complete First Season in my watched-but-unlogged list. If it interests you, I'd be game for syncing up and watching along with you. LJG765 and I just finished our tour through Captain Kirk's Five Year Mission (TOS and TAS) that way and it was a lot of fun. We watched our respective discs while chatting via Facebook about each episode.

Which reminds me, in case anyone cares, I'm on Facebook here.
Sounds like fun. As long as you and LJG765 don't want to continue your trek to TNG, The Boondocks will certainly be a change of pace.
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Where did you see it, Giles? I'm curious to know what regions it played when it was released.
as I recall I remember seeing this at the now closed KB Cerebus down in Georgetown, M Street (Washington DC).
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Originally Posted by lisadoris
Sounds like fun. As long as you and LJG765 don't want to continue your trek to TNG, The Boondocks will certainly be a change of pace.
My/our objective was simply to tour Captain Kirk's adventures. We've still got the original six movies to go, but I think we're going to let this breathe for just a bit first.
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Originally Posted by Ash Ketchum
I'd be even happier if you'd check out the titles in my list that you haven't heard of.
Well, you can't have everything!

Originally Posted by shadokitty
Maybe that's why I'm having trouble getting into the challenge this year. Realizing that a lot of my childhood cartoons didn't hold up over time.
That sucks. Thankfully, I have found that a lot of my childhood favorites holdup pretty well. I still love all the WB cartoons, the Disney Saturday morning shows, and the NickToons of my youth (still hoping for a less expensive Doug set). Just today, I revisited Tiny Toon Adventures for the first time in ages, and it is just as fantastic as I remember. I love all the pop culture references I didn't get as a kid (Shirley MacLaine, Sally Field's Oscar speech, Goodfellas).

Now, some of my friends smirk when I talk about my love for ThunderCats and He-Man and the Masters of the Universe, but I stand by those shows. They are awesome. Has anyone seen the remake of ThunderCats? Is it worth checking out?

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