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God. Two 3½-hour movies in a row for me. That brings an end to my random picking!
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Just finished watching Secret Agent. My review, as published on Letterboxd, which doesn't really contain any actual spoilers:
Spoiler:
Secret Agent -X- 1930s (1936) -X- Language (English) -X- Watch a film not released on DVD by Criterion (LaserDisc #023) -X- Read an essay - The Secret Agent by Mark Fleischmann |
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Originally Posted by Sondheim
(Post 11370443)
So I just watched Kanal, which is essentially a 96 minute journey through hell. It's about a group of Polish Resistance fighters during the last days of the Warsaw Uprising. The net around them has been growing tighter over the last several weeks, and most of the men and women who are fighting know that they have essentially no chance of survival (and thanks to a bit of narration in the first minute or two of the film, we also don't feel much hope for them.)
The last hour or so of the film takes place in one of the most claustrophobic, hellish settings imaginable (in fact, one of the characters explicitly references Dante.) It's one of the most hopeless and horrifying films I've ever seen. |
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Originally Posted by MinLShaw
(Post 11370299)
I was actually kind of underwhelmed by this one, too. I think in this case, it was because I'd heard so much about it and what it was about that I didn't really find any surprises. It was pretty much just an execution of exactly what I already knew. I was kind of distracted, though, by fixating on the physical resemblance between Gary Cooper and Bill O'Reilly and of course then I got to thinking of how High Noon was called "the most un-American movie ever made" by John Wayne and the irony of associating anything to do with it with O'Reilly.
Thanks for mentioning that Bill O'Reilly looks like Gary Cooper. Now I'll be distracted in every future Cooper film I watch. :) |
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Originally Posted by CardiffGiant
(Post 11371856)
I don't know how this part of the conversation slipped past me, but I wanted to add that my first viewing (in college) of High Noon left me a bit underwhelmed as well. When I watched it again (I think two years ago), it hit me much harder than on my first viewing. Like all films, it didn't change in that time, but I guess I did.
In fact, this is something I would have thought to articulate had we proceeded with the proposal to nominate a specific film we feel ought to be added to The Criterion Collection. For me, the most glaring example of a non-Criterion film that fits that is Dogtooth. I initially dismissed it ("with prejudice," to borrow a legal term) but found after it set with me for a while, I began to consider new things about it and I came to appreciate it. Thanks for mentioning that Bill O'Reilly looks like Gary Cooper. Now I'll be distracted in every future Cooper film I watch. :) I ran some errands this morning and popped into the library. They have several Criterion Collection DVDs, though most of them are from the lower spine numbers. I picked out The Vanishing and Bicycle Thieves. The latter included its booklet of essays and both will be first time viewings for me. I intend to devour the bonus content on both (which is laughable, since the only bonus feature on The Vanishing is its trailer). |
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^ I envy your FTV of The Vanishing. That film really disturbed me.
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Originally Posted by Tommy Bunz
(Post 11371808)
If you enjoyed this you should check out the Russian WWII movies Come And See and Stalingrad. Both really great and really really grim.
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ugh...I just spent the last 40 minutes typing out a long post about the first three films I watched and it's gone because the site logged me out while I was still composing. There's no way I'm re-writing it so here is the Cliff Notes (is that reference even remotely relevant anymore?) version...
- I rarely post despite being a member for 10 years and this is my first challenge. - Rebecca is great. First time watching and I'm in love with Joan Fontaine (or at least the Joan Fontaine from 1940). - Notorious is a film I didn't love on first viewing years ago but revisiting it has changed my mind. Some of the most twisted psychology in any of Hitchcock's ouvre. - Stagecoach - I'm pretty apathetic towards westerns but this is a great film. See Tag Gallagher's visual essay on the Criterion disc. Says way more than I ever could. - Anyone who doesn't like This is Spinal Tap is crazy. That pretty much covers all the major points. I'll go back into my hole now. |
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Welcome to Challenges rocket1312! I hope you continue posting.
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Originally Posted by rocket1312
(Post 11372383)
ugh...I just spent the last 40 minutes typing out a long post about the first three films I watched and it's gone because the site logged me out while I was still composing. There's no way I'm re-writing it so here is the Cliff Notes (is that reference even remotely relevant anymore?) version...
- I rarely post despite being a member for 10 years and this is my first challenge. - Rebecca is great. First time watching and I'm in love with Joan Fontaine (or at least the Joan Fontaine from 1940). - Notorious is a film I didn't love on first viewing years ago but revisiting it has changed my mind. Some of the most twisted psychology in any of Hitchcock's ouvre. - Stagecoach - I'm pretty apathetic towards westerns but this is a great film. See Tag Gallagher's visual essay on the Criterion disc. Says way more than I ever could. - Anyone who doesn't like This is Spinal Tap is crazy. That pretty much covers all the major points. I'll go back into my hole now. Welcome to the World of the Challenges! |
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If you are looking for supplemental material for The Vanishing you could always check out the American remake. It was oddly enough done by the same director.
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potential spoiler alert
It didn't take long but I'm getting tired of the formula where you have the indie movie that doesn't have many plot devices, so nothing really happens until the end where everything collides at the end where the payoff is a scene that is supposed to be disturbing, or a dark comedic moment, through violence, sexuality, or both. Then I have something like Life During Wartime, which I'm currently in the middle of and Spoiler:
I also have Jeanne Dielman, 23 Quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles on my plate and it sounds awful, beyond normal pretentiousness. When I see someone saying "Astonishing. I sat in silence for hours afterwards.", I can't help but to wonder what's wrong with that person. I just picture them finishing a movie and sitting on the couch, staring at the wall for hours. Someone else said mentioned a 30 minute dish washing scene. If that amazes anyone, there's something broken with them. I just don't get it. Based on what people said and the fact that it's nearly 3.5 hours of nothing, I cheated just now and looked it up on wikipedia to see if it was really that bad. This is exactly what I was describing earlier, only to a new extreme. It's the sheer boredom of watching cars drive around in a circle for hours until there's finally a crash. The crash isn't all that exciting but it's impact is that much greater because you've put your brain into a slumber of boredom where anything, even a fly buzzing across your face, is instantly turned into the most exciting thing of all. On the other end of the spectrum, I have Armageddon, which I equally hate. My problem is that I'm trying to watch new stuff and the majority of it falls into that category. I know there's a few things left that are in the middle but the numbers of that stuff is so small unless I want to watch things I've already seen, which I want to avoid as much as possible. At some point I'll realize I'm simply torturing myself for this challenge but my desire to watch new things is too strong. I haven't hit that one movie that breaks me yet. |
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Originally Posted by Ash Ketchum
(Post 11372422)
REBECCA and NOTORIOUS are both Hitchcock films I appreciated more when I got older.
Welcome to the World of the Challenges! As far as Notorious goes, I realize I'm not saying anything new, but the psychology and sexual politics at play is simply fascinating, and I can see why it might have more resonance as you get older. The resentment Devlin has for Alicia is at once contemptible, yet heartbreaking, and somehow bizarrely understandable. The film is still very relevant as a commentary on how our society perceives and judges female sexuality. Good stuff. I'm thinking next up may be Powell & Pressburger's A Canterbury Tale. I've had it on my too watch pile for a long time. I also need to check out The 39 Steps and Three Colors Trilogy blu-rays I picked up during the B&N sale. Football season starting is really going to cut into movie time though. |
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Originally Posted by rocket1312
(Post 11372383)
ugh...I just spent the last 40 minutes typing out a long post about the first three films I watched and it's gone because the site logged me out while I was still composing. There's no way I'm re-writing it so here is the Cliff Notes (is that reference even remotely relevant anymore?) version...
Cliff Notes is still around in some versions...everyone seems to use SparkNotes now. SparkNotes even put out 8 minute animated videos for classics, I guess reading a summary of a book is just too damn difficult these days...
Originally Posted by rocket1312
(Post 11372383)
That pretty much covers all the major points. I'll go back into my hole now.
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Second Film: The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou(mine, DVD).
Jeff Goldblum seems like as obvious fit for Anderson's films. Why has he only been in one? |
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Third Film: Cronos (Netfilx rental, Blu).
Some filmmakers project their entire career in their first movie: Cronos is a genre film on the surface, but really it's about familial relationships. The story involves some kind of legend or mythology. A non-traditional leading character. Lots of prosthetic effects. Intricate set design. |
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Originally Posted by Dr. Mantle
(Post 11372897)
Third Film: Cronos (Netfilx rental, Blu).
Some filmmakers project their entire career in their first movie: Cronos is a genre film on the surface, but really it's about familial relationships. The story involves some kind of legend or mythology. A non-traditional leading character. Lots of prosthetic effects. Intricate set design. |
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Originally Posted by Trevor
(Post 11371970)
^ I envy your FTV of The Vanishing. That film really disturbed me.
Originally Posted by rocket1312
(Post 11372383)
ugh...I just spent the last 40 minutes typing out a long post about the first three films I watched and it's gone because the site logged me out while I was still composing. There's no way I'm re-writing it so here is the Cliff Notes (is that reference even remotely relevant anymore?) version...
- I rarely post despite being a member for 10 years and this is my first challenge. - Stagecoach - I'm pretty apathetic towards westerns but this is a great film. See Tag Gallagher's visual essay on the Criterion disc. Says way more than I ever could. - Anyone who doesn't like This is Spinal Tap is crazy.
Originally Posted by xizor42
(Post 11372471)
If you are looking for supplemental material for The Vanishing you could always check out the American remake. It was oddly enough done by the same director.
Originally Posted by Dr. Mantle
(Post 11372720)
Second Film: The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou(mine, DVD).
Jeff Goldblum seems like as obvious fit for Anderson's films. Why has he only been in one? |
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Oh, right! My review of Spoorloos [The Vanishing]. Per usual, it's on Letterboxd and...
SPOILER ALERT FOR ANYONE READING E-MAILS Spoiler:
Spoorloos [The Vanishing] -X- 1980s (1988) -X- Languages (French, Dutch) -X- Themes (Originals, Scary Movies, Suspense) -X- Spine Range #101-150 (#133) -X- Read an Essay - The Vanishing by Kim Newman |
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So I went to my dvd shelf last night to grab something to watch and despite every intention to put in A Canterbury Tale, I noticed my unwatched Lola Montes blu-ray that's been sitting there since last November. It was a blind buy for me and, generally speaking, a good number of my Criterions are blind buys. However, I know my tastes well enough and I usually do pretty thorough research so I am very rarely disappointed. I can't say I was disappointed in Lola Montes because I didn't even finish it. I fell asleep at around the 45 minute mark. Mostly it was my own fault for starting something too late, but of what I saw, nothing really grabbed me outside of the beautiful visuals. I'll certainly revisit it at some point in the next couple of weeks, but does anyone have anything to say about this one to get me excited about it?
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Originally Posted by MinLShaw
(Post 11373040)
I saw some remarks about the remake on iCheckMovies.com, as well as on the Criterion.com page. It seems that the remake features a particularly unlikable tacked-on ending that is so nauseating people can't even finish watching the film. Given that the most important question put to Rex in the final act of the film is, "You've come this far, can you walk away now?" I find it a bit ironic that people would complain about not wanting to finish watching the remake once they got to that point.
Last night I started Secret of the Grain, which is good so far and later today at work, I'm going to start Ride with the Devil. |
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Originally Posted by rocket1312
(Post 11373315)
So I went to my dvd shelf last night to grab something to watch and despite every intention to put in A Canterbury Tale, I noticed my unwatched Lola Montes blu-ray that's been sitting there since last November. It was a blind buy for me and, generally speaking, a good number of my Criterions are blind buys. However, I know my tastes well enough and I usually do pretty thorough research so I am very rarely disappointed. I can't say I was disappointed in Lola Montes because I didn't even finish it. I fell asleep at around the 45 minute mark. Mostly it was my own fault for starting something too late, but of what I saw, nothing really grabbed me outside of the beautiful visuals. I'll certainly revisit it at some point in the next couple of weeks, but does anyone have anything to say about this one to get me excited about it?
I normally like slow, restrained films, but these two just didn't do it for me. I might revisit them at some point, as I've found that my tastes can change pretty drastically over the years. :shrug: Maybe I just wasn't mature or patient enough at the time. |
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After getting off to a rather slow start on the challenge, I finally watched my first movie tonight. Monty Python's Life of Brian, one of the two movies I own which are the actual criterion collection editions, the other being Robocop.
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Fourth Film: Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (mine, Blu).
This might be the most fucked up movie ever made by a major studio with mainstream talent. How did this even get released? There's no story, every scene is from the perspective of two guys who are never sober, and every setting is dirty and filthy and broken. I saw this film on the big screen back in '98 and that scene with Ellen Barkin in the diner really scared the shit out of me. While Benecio Del Toro doesn't really do anything, you realize that someone who maintains a professional career is also capable of cutting someone's throat if he's in just the right mood. One moment I liked was the part where Del Toro is puking (in the bathroom, not the car) and it actually sounds correct, i.e. gagging sounds and NO COUGHING. Maybe some people do that in real life, but I can't recall a time when I coughed while puking. And it always annoys me in movies when a character pukes and they just make a bunch of shallow coughing sounds.
Originally Posted by MinLShaw
(Post 11373040)
Dammit. My wife took my copy of the 2-disc Criterion release. I gorged on its bonus content in the 2010 challenge, and if you've not delved into that stuff I highly recommend it. Some of it's self-congratulatory banality (the commentary with Anderson and Noah Baumbach was particularly off-putting), but some of the stuff is genuinely terrific.
And for anyone who plans to watch Cronos, be sure you check out the awesome short Geometria, and the Bleak House feature. Guillermo takes you through his house full of movie memorabilia, first edition books, hand painted models (including one he was working on during the Hobbit), and everything other thing that could make a geek lose their shit. |
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question: does one have to watch Pedro Costa's trilogy of films in sequence for it to make sense? (or are they stand alone films)
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For my second movie, I delved into Hulu's Criterion movies, and came up with a rather good first time view that way. Samaritan Zatoichi.
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I've been working my way through The Complete Jean Vigo and I watched The Magician; happy with both of those viewings. Reviews are in my list.
I've noticed more titles on Hulu (free) than those few that I've been mentioning, so it's a good place to look if you are stuck looking for something to watch. |
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Originally Posted by MinLShaw
(Post 11370299)
I was actually kind of underwhelmed by this one, too. I think in this case, it was because I'd heard so much about it and what it was about that I didn't really find any surprises. It was pretty much just an execution of exactly what I already knew. I was kind of distracted, though, by fixating on the physical resemblance between Gary Cooper and Bill O'Reilly and of course then I got to thinking of how High Noon was called "the most un-American movie ever made" by John Wayne and the irony of associating anything to do with it with O'Reilly.
Have you ever revisited it, MinLShaw? |
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I watched The Bank Dick and was disappointed by the first half and I really liked the second half. While writing my review for the challenge, I thought a little more closely about what transpired and ended up boosting my rating. Anyway, here's the review:
4. The Bank Dick (1940)*: The Bank Dick starts off as a borderline train-wreck of a film, but it gathers steam (and plot) in the second half. Most of the jokes are seriously dated and much of the physical comedy seems like thinly veiled ripoffs of Chaplin and Keaton, but as the film drew to a close, I was drawn in by the larger social message in all of it that seems like it would still be relevant today. A car chase scene is the highlight of the film; very well done, even by today's standards. E-mail people: Spoiler Ahead! Spoiler:
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Wife at work and kid in bed, so I'll hopefully get a film or two in tonight.
Watched King Kong the other night, to get the laserdisc checklist mark, and hope to find time for all the BD supplements someday. I watched the missing spider pit part of the making-of documentary and was enthralled. |
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^ not to be a kill joy, but I don't think non-Criterion commissioned supplement material is game for this challenge. but hey that's just my opinion
you should give the King Kong commentary on the laserdisc a spin, it's more informative (and different) than the commentary on the BD edition. |
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Originally Posted by Giles
(Post 11376944)
^ not to be a kill joy, but I don't think non-Criterion commissioned supplement material is game for this challenge. but hey that's just my opinion
you should give the King Kong commentary on the laserdisc a spin, it's more informative (and different) than the commentary on the BD edition. Thanks for the tip on the laser commentary. I'll track it down. |
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Originally Posted by Mister Peepers
(Post 11373371)
The question is, if the ending is so awful that they turned it off, how did they see the ending?
Originally Posted by tellybox
(Post 11376004)
See, I went into [High Noon] knowing little to nothing (I pictured it to be a cliche ridden western). It wasn't until after that I read about the John Wayne comments and such.
Have you ever revisited it, MinLShaw? Oh, and I'm Travis, BTW. :) |
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I hit the library earlier yesterday. I'm planning to go see Raiders of the Lost Ark in IMAX with some friends later today, so it seemed as good a time as any to finally sit down with Kakushi-toride no san-akunin [The Hidden Fortress]. It's one of the several Criterion Collection DVDs they have. Here's my review, as posted on Letterboxd.
SPOILER ALERT FOR ANYONE READING E-MAILS Spoiler:
Kakushi-toride no san-akunin [The Hidden Fortress] -X- 1950s (1958) -X- Language (Japanese) -X- Top 10 Director (Akira Kurosawa) -X- Themes (Originals, Samurai Cinema) -X- Spine Range 101-150 (#116) -X- Read an essay (The Hidden Fortress by David Ehrenstein, 1987; The Hidden Fortress by Armond White, 2001) -X- Watch a Criterion disc completely. Every part of it. |
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Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie is a subtle film with pointed social commentary and humor, too bad there's no commentary (which might defeat the purpose).
On to The Element of Crime, which is so far perhaps too experimental. |
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After flying through a couple of shorter films, I got the bright idea to start the 5-hour television version of Scenes of a Marriage last night. My intention is to watch it like a television mini-series (an episode or two each night). So far, one episode in, and it's Bergman doing what he does best. A heartbreaking work already with brutal honesty about human relationships. I don't think I'll be regretting the 299 minutes.
Originally Posted by Undeadcow
(Post 11377075)
Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie is a subtle film with pointed social commentary and humor, too bad there's no commentary (which might defeat the purpose).
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Had a great time devouring most of spine #562 last night.
Blow Out Been putting off watching this for years. Loved it, but then, I seem to like almost everything Depalma does. Really impressed by Travolta here. More after I finish the disc. Murder a la Mod Saw this years ago on a Something Weird disc, and never imagined that I'd see it next via a Criterion blu-ray! |
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I watched House of Games. What a great movie! Mamet brings the viewer on Margaret's journey through a world of trickery and sleaze.
Spoiler:
I am also more than halfway done with the checklist. If I keep up my pace, I may complete it by the end of the week. |
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Secret of the Grain was decent enough. It had it's slow moments but overall it was worth a watch, even if the ending was easily seen a mile away.
Watched The Honeymoon Killers yesterday. It was interesting to see the lady I knew as the snoopy neighbor from Pee-Wee's Playhouse in a role like this. |
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After a few days I was finally able to get back to the challenge. Last night I screened Three Colors: Blue. This was my first viewing and my only previous experience with Kieslowski was The Double Life of Veronique (which I've been meaning to revisit for some time).
First off, Blue is a gorgeous film, but that was no surprise considering Kieslowski was working with cinematographer Sławomir Idziak, who was the cinematographer on the similarly beautiful Veronique. What did surprise me was how wonderful the audio was. This may sound crazy, but this was probably the best audio experience I've had at home since I upgraded my sound system last winter. For those who haven't seen the film, Juliette Binoche plays a woman who loses her composer husband and young daughter in a car accident and subsequently attempts to live her life void of any further emotional attachments. At the time of his death, her husband was composing a new piece of music and throughout the film there are scenes when Julie (Binoche's character) has brief moments of remembrance and the soundtrack swells with her husband's music. The music is beautiful yet mournful and just enveloped my family room to the point where I was concerned it might wake my sleeping wife. There was no way I was going to lower the volume though and deny my ears the experience. I also have to mention the job Juliette Binoche did. To say she carries the entire film is a gross understatement. There are a handful of other characters, but for the most part the film is hers and hers alone. What's most interesting to me is that while the circumstances Julie finds herself in should demand much sympathy from the audience, she isn't a totally sympathetic character. Spoiler:
I'm going to try to watch White tonight. My understanding is that White is the least of the trilogy, but I don't imagine it will in any way be bad. |
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