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Mondo Kane 09-01-12 06:59 PM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 

Originally Posted by CardiffGiant (Post 11367884)
For those looking for streaming titles, Streaming Criterions seems to be quite accurate. I'm going off memory of my own queue, but the good news is that if you have Netflix Streaming, you still have a good amount of titles to work through.

For the record, my viewing of A Canterbury Tale on the Netflix-stream had 3 brief audio glitches. I think it was just the copy they have though. Because a screenshot for the film at it's Criterion page shows that their copy of the film looks problem-free (I sure wish I could've seen THAT print!)

BobO'Link 09-01-12 08:01 PM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 
I went ahead and jumped in, starting with The Curious Case of Benjamin Button as I'd picked up the Criterion at BL a few months back as a blind buy. In spite of receiving a "Best Picture" Oscar nomination, this film *must* be an aquired taste. I just couldn't get into it and found it mostly laughable with an ending that defied all logic. Keep in mind that I'm *very* tolerant of Sci-Fi/Fantasy films and can fully suspend my disbelief to enjoy films in those genres but that ending was just unacceptable within the context of the rest of the film. The "hook" into the Katrina hurricane was poor at best and could easily have been done better, but why was this even used? It lent little to no drama/suspense. *Any* hospital setting with or without a looming disaster would have worked just as well. The daughter's "big reveal" was *very* predictable by the time it arrived, in fact much of the "reveals" were predictable and took far too long to build. It might be an "OK" drama/romance film but fails miserably as a fantasy film. And the thing just drug on and on being at least an hour longer than it needed for such a shallow script. I've never read the F. Scott Fitzgerald short story on which this is based but after reading a few reviews which mention plot differences I now have a desire to for no other reason than to see how Hollywood bastardized yet *another* print story.

I followed that up with Monty Python and the Holy Grail so I could get the bad taste out of my mouth. It worked wonderfully!

Then: Chasing Amy - another blind buy Criterion. I generally like the work of Kevin Smith in spite of frequently finding it overly vulgar. This film was no exception although not quite as vulgar as most of his other films. The story was mostly good and felt far more genuine than I ever felt a work from Smith could be. Overall I received several good laughs and had a good time. Because of the subject matter it's *not* a film for everyone but it made Benjamin Button seem just that much worse. I'd watch it again.

And: The Adventures of Robin Hood. Quite possibly the best Action/Adventure film of all time. Great acting, dialog, sword fights, scenery, color, casting, etc., etc., etc. I've seen just about all of the Robin Hood films because this one instilled a love of the character for me. So far none of the others have come even close to the experience and enjoyment provided by this version of the legend. There doesn't seem to be a second of wasted film or dialog with dozens of wonderful shots as when an arrow extinguishes a candle on its way to killing a Norman, or the splitting of the arrow in the archery contest. It's a *fun* movie and makes you feel like a kid again. Hollywood would do well to closely examine this and other classics from the early years and make attempts to return to this level of storytelling and film construction.

gp1086 09-01-12 08:28 PM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 
I'm determined to reach my lofty goal of five new watches for the month of September, so figured I'd start off strong today with Rosemary's Baby (1968). Unfortunately I had to watch the DVD, as the Criterion disc isn't out until October. Regarding the movie itself, I liked it - didn't love it. Personally wasn't a huge fan of the ending, but the first half was pretty strong.

Travis McClain 09-01-12 11:57 PM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 
Decided to come out swinging, so after the Reds game ended, I streamed À bout de souffle [Breathless]. Here's my review, shared on Letterboxd

SPOILER ALERT FOR ANYONE RECEIVING E-MAIL ALERTS

Spoiler:

My decision to open this year's Criterion Challenge with <I>À bout de souffle</I> [<I>Breathless</I>] was largely influenced by its run time. I started around 10:30 after the Reds game ended, and I wanted something that would wrap around midnight so I could cleanly consider it a viewing for 1 September. That it was also one of those masterpieces of cinema that dominate my To See list was almost entirely incidental.

Film scholars and critics have spent the last 52 years assessing the place of this film in history and I defer to them on such matters. What I noticed was that the film clearly held sway over Peter Hunt, editor of the early James Bond films. What drives <I>À bout de souffle</I> isn't the charisma of its leading actors (though that would be enough for most pictures), but the kinetic energy created by the editing. Leaps in the background tell us that we're seeing pieces of film cut together; there is no effort to hide that and convince us that we're watching something in real time. Were the different lines delivered in different takes? Were we meant to see this as an abridgment of the stammering of the characters, rather than something to do with the actors? Does it even matter?

I specifically thought of <I>Dr. No</I> during the opening, with Michel nervously dashing through traffic. That whole sequence called to mind the similar sequence in <I>Dr. No</I> where Bond has arrived in Jamaica and is taken for a ride by the cab driver. Only where 007 dispatches the driver setting him up, Michel kills a cop because...

Well, frankly, because he's an idiot. Michel is one of the least likable protagonists I've encountered in a while. I can admit part of my resentment toward him was that I've grown weary of competing with guys like him over the years. They're abrasive and exasperating, often going unchallenged because most people don't feel like engaging them in the matter of attrition of energy that it would become. Particularly irksome, though, is that there are all too often women just like Patricia who entertain and encourage them, validating their obnoxious approach to impressing women.

I do have two storytelling qualms, though. The manhunt for Michel is unconvincing. It's in the newspapers - not that Patricia, who <I>works for one</I>, realizes this - and even scrolls on the electronic ticker, but we only see two guys doing any actual legwork to find him. Not only that, but the inspector on the case has all the urgency of a librarian calling to tell you that your special request has come in and they're waiting for you to come get it. He has some "tough guy" lines, but I remain unconvinced he even really cares about finding Michel.

My other complaint is in the finale itself, when the inspector does indeed catch Michel (thanks to Patricia's betrayal). I suppose my biggest problem is that it feels too neat and perfunctory. In some ways, it's the obvious ending, set up throughout the film. In other ways, though, it seems the lazy way out - to just shoot Michel, and let him stagger down that impossibly long road until he finally collapses in the crosswalk. It's not like the end of <I>Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid</I> or even <I>Bonnie and Clyde</I>, the tragedy somehow feeling triumphant in its own way. Rather, <I>À bout de souffle</I> just kind of shrugs and says, "Should we shoot 'im? Yeah, let's just do that."

I go back to the press interview, in which Patricia (twice) asks the author what is his ambition in life. Finally, he answers her: "To become immortal, and then die." It's a particularly <I>artiste</I> thing to say, and while I could mock it the truth is, I love it. The question then becomes, though, did Michel become immortal before he dies? I don't know that he did. Maybe to Patricia.

There are, of course, several nods to <I>Casablanca</I> throughout. I cannot help but to contrast the endings of the two films. Just as Rick knows that Ilsa leaving Casablanca with her husband will completely put to rest their relationship, Patricia invites the police to apprehend Michel as a means of terminating her whirlwind relationship with him. Patricia needs the closure that she cannot be involved with Michel, and ultimately this is why he has to die on screen. I get it, but it still isn't very satisfying.

One last note: I loved the breezy score to this one. At times, it called to mind Neal Hefti's theme from <I>The Odd Couple</I>. I was also reminded of <I>An Education</I>, and I'd be interested to re-watch that film now that I've seen this.


Also, I've seen the very kind remarks made about me in this thread. In the past, I might have made flippant, self-deprecating remarks but I'm working on just saying, "Thank you." So...thank you.

À bout de souffle [Breathless]
-X- 1960s (1960)
-X- Language (French)
-X- Top 10 Director (Jean-Luc Godard)
-X- Theme (French New Wave; First Films)
-X- Spine Range #401-450 (#408)
-X- Read an essay (Breathless by John Powers)

CardiffGiant 09-02-12 12:38 AM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 

Originally Posted by Mondo Kane (Post 11368209)
For the record, my viewing of A Canterbury Tale on the Netflix-stream had 3 brief audio glitches. I think it was just the copy they have though. Because a screenshot for the film at it's Criterion page shows that their copy of the film looks problem-free (I sure wish I could've seen THAT print!)

Yeah, you really never know what you're going to get with the stream. Sometimes they are Criterion; sometimes it's just the cover art and then another company's transfer. Thanks for the note.

CardiffGiant 09-02-12 01:04 AM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 

Originally Posted by BobO'Link (Post 11368283)
I went ahead and jumped in, starting with The Curious Case of Benjamin Button ... The "hook" into the Katrina hurricane was poor at best and could easily have been done better, but why was this even used?

I know Button has received a lot of bad press, especially within Criterion circles (some have gone as far as to say it's the worst film in the collection), and I would certainly agree that at best it borders on sentimentality.

I guess I should have really led with: I'm biased, so here it goes...

I'm from New Orleans and when I first saw the film, I was really affected by the rising waters at the end. I wasn't living in New Orleans at the time that Katrina hit, in fact, I haven't lived there in a few decades, but most of my family lived there; some have moved back, some haven't. Most lost nearly everything. I've been back, I've ripped through hot, humid, mold-covered homes only to find a handful of salvageable possessions of what remained of familial artifacts. The hospitals and schools in my part of the city have not reopened, many did not rebuild. Many left the city altogether.

What gets me about that conclusion is the disappearance of history. Here is a story about Benjamin Button. Will it survive the rising waters? Will the living characters in the hospital? Considering the real-life death toll, that remains up in the air. So, to me, it remains a film that suggests a bigger question of how we tell our stories and the importance of storytelling. I should be clear: I don't think that the average viewer would approach the film in this manner, and I'm not sure that's what Fincher (and company) were going for either, but it's what made it a powerful film, and conclusion, for me. With that said, I understand that there is a great deal of sentimentality in it; I've seen the "Curious Case of Forrest Gump" parody and it actually made me like the film a little less (didn't like Gump).

Anyway, I'm never critical of one's opinion, and I'll be the first to admit that Button is flawed, but I remember hanging on to that moment, partly because of the timing, partly because I wondered about how I would tell my history in the future with a destroyed "homeland." It's been a while since I've seen the film, as you might imagine, it's a difficult thing to watch with any regularity.


Originally Posted by BobO'Link (Post 11368283)
Then: Chasing Amy

I've always pretended like, Chasing Amy was Kevin Smith's last film as I've hated almost everything he created after that (except Zach and Miri, which I find tolerable and occasionally funny). I love the first three (I don't know many others that find Mallrats good as well).


Originally Posted by BobO'Link (Post 11368283)
And: The Adventures of Robin Hood. Quite possibly the best Action/Adventure film of all time. Great acting, dialog, sword fights, scenery, color, casting, etc., etc., etc.

I bought this on HDDVD back in the day and it was one of the biggest blind buy surprises I've ever had. Everything you said in your post is true. A great, fun all around film. It doesn't really seem dated at all. Quite incredible.

Ash Ketchum 09-02-12 05:00 AM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 
New Criterion DVD containing three films by Paul Fejos, including LONESOME (1928), is reviewed by Dave Kehr in today's New York Times. Sounds like a missing chapter in film history has just been restored:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/02/mo...-broadway.html

Gobear 09-02-12 05:56 AM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 
I started off with Quadrophenia just to get the Challenge started with some adrenaline, then watched a couple of movies I had DVR'd, Billy Liar and Autumn Sonata.

Billy Liar is slight and I didn't find the title character quirky and endearing; he's a sociopath who feels no remorse for his actions and who lacks the spine to take even the simplest step to improve his circumstances.

I'm not a huge Bergman fan because I have a low threshold for Scandinavian existential angst, but Autumn Sonata is a brilliantly rendered view of the grievances that adult children hold against their parents, reminding me of an Oscar Wilde aphorism, "Children begin by loving their parents; as they grow older they judge them; sometimes, they forgive them." In this film, though, there can be no forgiveness or resolution because both Eva and Charlotte are locked in their mutual resentment.

shadokitty 09-02-12 08:16 AM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 
Off to a slow start, I had my copy of Life of Brian, criterion collection edition ready to watch, but last night I was just kind of blah and not in a mood to watch anything. Maybe tonight.

Trevor 09-02-12 09:18 AM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 

Originally Posted by CardiffGiant (Post 11368563)
I know Button has received a lot of bad press, especially within Criterion circles (some have gone as far as to say it's the worst film in the collection), and I would certainly agree that at best it borders on sentimentality. (snip)

I've always pretended like, Chasing Amy was Kevin Smith's last film as I've hated almost everything he created after that (except Zach and Miri, which I find tolerable and occasionally funny). I love the first three (I don't know many others that find Mallrats good as well).

(r.e. The Adventures of Robin Hood) I bought this on HDDVD back in the day and it was one of the biggest blind buy surprises I've ever had. Everything you said in your post is true. A great, fun all around film. It doesn't really seem dated at all. Quite incredible.

Nice post on your CCoBB thoughts here CG. I'm very empathetic by nature and able to immerse myself in a film easily, at least the first time I watch it, and therefore rarely strongly dislike any film. I enjoyed Button, but have a feeling I'll never re-watch it.

Very much agree with you on Kevin Smith. I place Chasing Amy in my top five film list often, and probably consider those first three films my favorite trilogy. I like Dogma and J&SB alright, but find Clerks 2 to be absolute dreck and have pretty much given up on his films.

You all talking about Robin Hood is making me want to find my HD-DVD of it (and player!).

Undeadcow 09-02-12 11:56 AM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 

Originally Posted by CardiffGiant (Post 11367698)
...I thought it would be interesting to see how others feel about Certified Copy ....I'm still not convinced that this film is effective. I know it's been an art house darling over the past year or two, but it didn't resonate with me. Perhaps it was unfair expectations... I find Certified Copy cold, emotionless even in moments it is trying to convey emotion. ...I couldn't help but think that the man and woman in Certified Copy were outsiders hoping for something much better. Before any defenders of the film cite the true article and the artifice, I get all of that from the film, but the exploration into what is a fascinating question, never drew me in. Last night, I would have given the film 2 stars, but I've reconsidered, found it's desire to reflect something complex worthy of an extra star. 3/5

I found Certified Copy to be a really interesting movie but agree with an approximate 3/5 rating, it was not engaging enough (too emotionless) for the content. In part I wondered if the emotionless was intentional to suggest a clinic view of human emotion which is often in-authentic or fickle (suggested also by tone changes in the film). In part I wonder if the director just made an intentional vague conversation piece or if rewatching it would be rewarding. Mild Spoiler:
Spoiler:
My initial interpretation is that the message is relationships and emotions are so focused on the present that they come across as disconnected from the past in a way that is jarring on examination. Relationships are not authentic but a mirror of surroundings (i.e. wedding surroundings created a wedding interaction). We are always copying our human surroundings.

Originally Posted by gp1086 (Post 11368321)
I'm determined to reach my lofty goal of five new watches for the month of September, so figured I'd start off strong today with Rosemary's Baby (1968).... I liked it - didn't love it. Personally wasn't a huge fan of the ending, but the first half was pretty strong.

I love Rosemary's Baby but the ending is definitely unusual and strong. Personally I liked the ending but I could see different interesting possibilities in the spectrum of unfounded paranoia versus tangible horror. I wish the upcoming Criterion blu had stronger extras about the scripting and ideas around the ending.

Undeadcow 09-02-12 01:30 PM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 
Black Orpheus is an amazing film from the vibrant street dancing to the cold bureaucratic depiction of hell, it's very atmospheric. It exceeded by expectations; great imagery with a classic story and an intense conclusion.

Planning on Death of a Cyclist next. I remember thinking of Death of a Cyclist as an often overlooked gem in the collection on initial viewing.

BobO'Link 09-02-12 04:00 PM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 

Originally Posted by CardiffGiant (Post 11368563)
...I've always pretended like, Chasing Amy was Kevin Smith's last film as I've hated almost everything he created after that (except Zach and Miri, which I find tolerable and occasionally funny). I love the first three (I don't know many others that find Mallrats good as well)....


Originally Posted by Trevor (Post 11368688)
...Very much agree with you on Kevin Smith. I place Chasing Amy in my top five film list often, and probably consider those first three films my favorite trilogy. I like Dogma and J&SB alright, but find Clerks 2 to be absolute dreck and have pretty much given up on his films....

Make that at least 3 people who like Mallrats. When looking at reviews on Chasing Amy prior to making that purchase I was a bit surprised at the amount of negative press on Mallrats. At that time I'd already seen it and, while not a modern comedy classic, thought it was funny. I, too, like Dogma and consider it one of Smith's best.


Originally Posted by Trevor (Post 11368688)
You all talking about Robin Hood is making me want to find my HD-DVD of it (and player!).

You should - or just purchase a new copy to avoid that in the future. :)

Dr. Mantle 09-03-12 12:30 AM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 
First Film: The Darjeeling Limited(mine, Blu). I think it's my favorite Anderson film, but it's taken me a while to realize it. This is my 4th or 5th viewing and it just gets better. I really loved the opening scene where Bill Murray is rushing to catch his train and as he just misses it, Adrien Brody runs past him. I think in an alternate universe, there's a film called The Darjeeling Limited that is about Murray's character and everything he has to do to finally get his train.

I have four CC Anderson films (everything but Bottle Rocket). I'll probably watch all of those first before I get into some heavier CC films.

LJG765 09-03-12 01:15 AM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 
Ok, I got sucked in. I don't plan on watching many, though. Just watched The Adventures of Robin Hood. Wrote a little review in the list thread so I won't go into too much detail here. I did enjoy it just as much as I remembered as a kid. A lot better picture this time round, though! I admit to enjoying other Robins, but Errol Flynn will always be the Robin Hood to me!

Will probably at least watch Curious Case of Benjamin Button as well, maybe tomorrow after I finish the extras to Robin Hood. Not sure if I'll catch anything else, maybe Princess Bride since its been awhile since I watched that, but really wasn't planning on spending much time this month on a challenge.

Travis McClain 09-03-12 02:27 AM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 

Originally Posted by Undeadcow (Post 11368836)
Black Orpheus is an amazing film from the vibrant street dancing to the cold bureaucratic depiction of hell, it's very atmospheric. It exceeded by expectations; great imagery with a classic story and an intense conclusion.

I first saw that during my first go at this challenge in 2010 and loved it. The costumes are mesmerizing, the story is compelling, the performances are engaging...that was one of those films where I just got lost in it. I think my library has that on DVD. If so, I might check that out and gorge on its bonus content this month.


Originally Posted by Dr. Mantle (Post 11369407)
First Film: The Darjeeling Limited. I think it's my favorite Anderson film, but it's taken me a while to realize it.

I saw this for the first time in January on DVD. I loved Hotel Chevalier (though I was a bit put off by the sound mix playing up the music so heavily). The Darjeeling Limited...I dunno. I liked some stuff about it, but there were two scenes that really just kind of soured my stomach.

One is the shot of the brothers as they're leaving the tent to go to the funeral. There's something about the slow motion cinematography and the acoustic music and the composition of the montage that just yells, "THIS IS AN INDIE MOVIE BY AN AUTEUR! LOOK! IT'S ART!" so loudly that it took me out of the film entirely and made me roll my eyes. It goes so far that I almost began to wonder if it was self-parody.

The other is the very end when the brothers literally ditch their baggage. Again, I think it's more how that scene is presented that bugs me more than what the scene is.


Originally Posted by LJG765 (Post 11369430)
Ok, I got sucked in. I don't plan on watching many, though. Just watched The Adventures of Robin Hood. Wrote a little review in the list thread so I won't go into too much detail here. I did enjoy it just as much as I remembered as a kid. A lot better picture this time round, though! I admit to enjoying other Robins, but Errol Flynn will always be the Robin Hood to me!

And another angel gets its wings...


Not sure if I'll catch anything else, maybe Princess Bride since its been awhile since I watched that, but really wasn't planning on spending much time this month on a challenge.
Totally Self-Indulgent Personal Reminiscence

Last year when my niece was on Thanksgiving break, I had her spend the night with me and I introduced her to The Princess Bride. Several times, she would turn to me and insist she was bored and wanted to turn off the movie, but no sooner would she say this than she would react so strongly to it that she was literally yelling at the screen. I bought it for her on DVD for Christmas and it was, without a doubt, the most excited I have ever seen her receive any gift - for Christmas, birthday, any occasion. She watched it pretty much nonstop throughout the Winter, to the point that her mother became sick of it.

This summer, a local city park did a movie series and The Princess Bride was one of the ones they screened. I was excited to take my niece to see it, but unfortunately her mom up and moved them back down to Florida just two days before the screening. I still feel pretty cheated about that, but I take comfort in knowing that I shared the film with her and that it - and I - will always be part of her memories.

Travis McClain 09-03-12 02:36 AM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 
I streamed The Devil and Daniel Webster, which took me nearly an extra half hour because I had modem issues twice. Here's my review:

SPOILER ALERT FOR ANYONE RECEIVING E-MAILS

Spoiler:

The story here inserts Daniel Webster into the story of Faust, so that in the end the famed Congressman can argue that it's un-American to capitulate to the devil. It's the kind of conflation of religion and politics that tends to grate on my nerves very quickly, and the outdated views on American history are particularly irksome for me.

For instance, while preparing to oppose the devil in a trial for the soul of his client, Webster quips that "If two New Hampshire men aren't a match for the devil, we better give the country back to the Indians." That kind of racism makes me cringe whenever I encounter it. I am, of course, trained to distinguish between my contemporary values and those of the period being studied and for a film released in 1941 there's nothing peculiar about this.

Furthermore, there's the nagging matter of Webster's real life legacy. He espoused anti-slavery views, but later helped Henry Clay craft the Missouri Compromise that sacrificed a confrontation over slavery to preserve the Union. We can, of course, debate the pragmatism of the accord but we cannot divest Webster of it to accommodate the character in this film by that name speaking of how an American is not property, a point noted in Tom Piazza's essay, "The Devil and Daniel Webster: The Devil Gets the Best Lines."

Piazza is certainly spot-on as regards the character of Mr. Scratch (The Devil). The performance by Walter Huston is charmingly smarmy, a reminder that for all the talk of Hellfire and brimstone, The Devil is known not for intimidation, but temptation. He's genuinely likable here, despite the sinister undertones of being, y'know, The Devil.

[I would argue, though, that the single best line in the film belongs to Webster. Jabez declines some rum while they await the arrival of Mr. Scratch to claim his soul, to which Webster counters: "Just because you've sold your soul to the Devil, that needn't make you a teetotaler."]

Also engaging is Simone Simon as Mr. Scratch's cohort, the seductress Belle. Simon oozes sexuality every time she's in the frame, often distracting both other characters as well as audience. Her story doesn't really seem to go anywhere, though; she encourages Jabez to withdraw from his family and become more miserly and decadent, and clearly her endgame is to Jabez's utter ruin, but it's unclear whether she's actively pursuing a specific agenda or just along for the ride to ensure that Jabez is constantly surrounded by temptation.

In his essay, Bruce Eder posits that the film represents an artistic triumph borne directly out of Citizen Kane. I can appreciate the influence that Orson Welles's film had on the technical elements of The Devil and Daniel Webster (now that I've seen it, anyway), but where the story of Charles Foster Kane was a mystery to be explored, the tale of Jabez Stone is so obvious and predictable that I found myself wondering when we would just cut to the chase and get to the inevitable trial. Then, once we finally got there, I felt so annoyed at the banalities that there was no satisfaction to be found in the payoff.

I often hear the argument that "it's the journey, not the destination." As an explorer myself, I can appreciate the sentiment but this is an instance where the story is so clearly pushing its destination the whole time that it doesn't invite us to just enjoy the journey. Huston and Simon are enjoyable diversions, but we're so unmistakably headed for the trial that even their delicious scenes seem more to remind us to keep the story moving than to give us a moment to lose ourselves.


Also, I have a question. Bernard Hermann won an Academy Award for his score, though the film does not appear on Criterion's Academy Award list. Check it anyway?

The Devil and Daniel Webster
-X- 1940s (1941)
-X- Language (English)
-X- Theme (Great Soundtracks)
-X- Spine Range #201-250 (#214)
-X- Academy Award (Bernard Hermann, Best Music [Scoring of a Dramatic Picture])
-X- Read an essay (The Devil and Daniel Webster by Bruce Eder, "The Devil and Daniel Webster: The Devil Gets the Best Lines" by Tom Piazza

Travis McClain 09-03-12 02:56 AM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 
Sorry for three consecutive posts, but I was rummaging around Criterion.com and came upon this essay by Rudy Behlmer about The Adventures of Robin Hood that I thought might be of interest since a few of us have discussed that film already. I loved Belhmer's commentary track for the film and if you've not played it, I highly recommend it. I would recommend listening to that before reading the essay, but that's just me.

BobO'Link 09-03-12 09:38 AM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 
Yesterday was a "Musical Comedy" day with:

A Hard Day's Night - A "semi-documentary" or mockumentary on a day-in-the-life of The Beatles. While fictitious, the film truly captures the public face of The Beatles as I recall them during press conferences and public performances during those early years offering a playful, tongue-in-cheek look at their new found stardom. The directing by Richard Lester is superb and the techniques he used pair perfectly with the anarchy of being around John, Paul, George, and Ringo. The Beatles were in the "springtime" of their journey and the excitement comes across with an infectious joy. Then there's the music: A Hard Day's Night, I Should Have Known Better, I Wanna Be Your Man, All My Loving, If I Fell, And I Love Her, I'm Happy Just to Dance with You, Tell Me Why, and more. Overall a film that *still* feels fresh and new.

Help! - The Beatles second foray into feature film making. While it's a fun spoof on the Spy film genre it's not quite as good at A Hard Day's Night. There's an actual plot this time out over which The Beatles feel somewhat superimposed. They key player is Ringo due to his receiving a gift of a sacrificial ring which makes him the target of a eastern cult who believes the wearer of the ring is the next sacrificial victim. I recall not being very impressed when I first saw it in the theater during its original run but I was young and of course we went to see it because it starred The Beatles. Over the years it's grown on me as I've come to more fully appreciate the influences of the Marx Brothers on the film as well as the those from The Goon Show (Both Lester and George Martin had worked with that show). There are many sequences which would feel right at home in a Monty Python sketch or film. And, again, there's the music: Help!, You're Going to Lose that Girl, You've Got to Hide Your Love Away, Ticket to Ride, I Need You, The Night Before, and Another Girl. Another strong set of songs.

This is Spinal Tap - The story of the decline of a once powerhouse of Hard Rock, a band who is derivative, obvious, phony and pretentious along with all the typical hangers-on that is expected of a touring rock group. The joy of performing, backstage posturing, infighting, management struggles, touring difficulties, fans, not-so fans, are all here and played to superb effect. If you didn't know better you would swear the film is about an actual band. And, yes, there's another great set of songs. Nothing you would recognize but all the clichés of hard rock songwriting and performing are on full display.

Of course, after watching that threesome, I *had* to watch: All You Need Is Cash. The story of the rise and fall of the "Pre-Fab Four" - Stig, Barry, Dirk and Nasty - The Rutles. The *original* mocumentary (sorry Reiner). A fantastic spoof of The Beatles. If you're a Monty Python, Eric Idle, Neil Innes and/or (especially) Beatles fan and you've never seen this, you're missing a terribly funny film. Plus there's still another great set of songs. No, it's not a Criterion, but it's worth a watch anyway!

xizor42 09-03-12 01:59 PM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 
Well I got off to a slow start due to going up north with the family. When my wife got home today I told her that I watched The Blood of the Poet with my four year old Sophia. I asked her to tell Mommy her favorite part. "When the man was looking for the girl with the statued arms." was her response.

CardiffGiant 09-03-12 02:13 PM

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I plan on responding to some of the other posts later tonight, but I thought you all should know what I stumbled upon this afternoon...

Samuel Fuller Eclipse Set is $13.98 on Amazon right now. It was a bit lower a little while ago, but this is the lowest range it has been in and much lower than B&N 50% off. I can't speak to the quality of the films (haven't seen them), but at this price, seems like a no-brainer for those interested.

Travis McClain 09-03-12 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BobO'Link (Post 11369594)
This is Spinal Tap

I watched that for last year's challenge, and I was underwhelmed. It's not that I didn't "get it." I just wasn't particularly entertained by it. I had a "Yeah, so?" reaction.


Originally Posted by xizor42 (Post 11369818)
Well I got off to a slow start due to going up north with the family. When my wife got home today I told her that I watched The Blood of the Poet with my four year old Sophia. I asked her to tell Mommy her favorite part. "When the man was looking for the girl with the statued arms." was her response.

One of our fellow DVD Talkers (I apologize; I forget his user name!) often quotes his wife in his challenge review remarks. She has very specific taste and her English is somewhat broken, so there's often an unintentional comedy factor. You should pepper in as many of Sophia's reviews as you can. There's some potential here.

tellybox 09-03-12 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MinLShaw (Post 11369942)
I watched that for last year's challenge, and I was underwhelmed. It's not that I didn't "get it." I just wasn't particularly entertained by it. I had a "Yeah, so?" reaction.

This is Spinal Tap was my first film of the challenge and I had a similar feeling. I laughed at some parts, and glad to mark it off the wishlist, but I found it very underwhelming. I do regard Rob Reiner for his vision; the film really did feel like a rockumentary, and I was impressed at the amount of time that was obviously put into the film.

I streamed High Noon last night. Wow, what a picture! For a film that's only 85 minutes, a lot sure does happen. So many relationships and back-stories are at hand here. I was completely captivated with the performances, particularly with Katy Jurado. I'm not very familiar with her other work (One Eyed Jacks is the only title that I recognize) but I'd be interested in seeing her act in another role.

Travis McClain 09-03-12 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by tellybox (Post 11370239)
I streamed High Noon last night. Wow, what a picture! For a film that's only 85 minutes, a lot sure does happen. So many relationships and back-stories are at hand here. I was completely captivated with the performances, particularly with Katy Jurado. I'm not very familiar with her other work (One Eyed Jacks is the only title that I recognize) but I'd be interested in seeing her act in another role.

I was actually kind of underwhelmed by this one, too. I think in this case, it was because I'd heard so much about it and what it was about that I didn't really find any surprises. It was pretty much just an execution of exactly what I already knew. I was kind of distracted, though, by fixating on the physical resemblance between Gary Cooper and Bill O'Reilly and of course then I got to thinking of how High Noon was called "the most un-American movie ever made" by John Wayne and the irony of associating anything to do with it with O'Reilly.

xizor42 09-03-12 10:10 PM

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So I've decided that since Sophia probably won't be watching many of the films with me, I'd at least let her have a go at picking out what I watch. Tonight's choice was Belle de Jour. I asked her why she chose that one. "Well, it looks like one I haven't seen." I suppose that is probably a good thing at this point.

LJG765 09-03-12 10:21 PM

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I have to keep this short as my cat is demanding that I feed him-this includes batting my power cord and sitting on my feet while staring at me intently.

I just finished the Robin Hood bonus features and would recommend them to anyone. Especially the technicolor feature. Angela Langsbury narrates it and it is quite informative. I had known bits and pieces but for me, this puts it all together. Now I really want to watch some Ethyl Merman films--having to act and swim, that's talent!

Travis McClain 09-03-12 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by xizor42 (Post 11370332)
So I've decided that since Sophia probably won't be watching many of the films with me, I'd at least let her have a go at picking out what I watch. Tonight's choice was Belle de Jour. I asked her why she chose that one. "Well, it looks like one I haven't seen." I suppose that is probably a good thing at this point.

:lol: I love it!

A friend of mine visited me earlier this year and brought her 4-year old daughter. The kid walked over to my bookcase and selected a book that she wanted to explore. When asked why she picked it, she said, "It looks pretty." The book? The Sexual Life of Catherine M. by Catherine Millet.

Travis McClain 09-03-12 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LJG765 (Post 11370347)
I have to keep this short as my cat is demanding that I feed him-this includes batting my power cord and sitting on my feet while staring at me intently.

I just finished the Robin Hood bonus features and would recommend them to anyone. Especially the technicolor feature. Angela Langsbury narrates it and it is quite informative. I had known bits and pieces but for me, this puts it all together. Now I really want to watch some Ethyl Merman films--having to act and swim, that's talent!

Oh, that Technicolor doc is terrific! Warner did a great job putting together that special edition DVD/Blu-ray release.

CardiffGiant 09-03-12 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Trevor (Post 11368688)
You all talking about Robin Hood is making me want to find my HD-DVD of it (and player!).

I still have my HD-A2 hooked up and I fired it up a couple of months ago and I was getting all kinds of error codes (didn't care enough to look them up) and I ended up wiping the disc really hard with my shirt (there were no marks) and then it worked fine. I'm pretty sure that was Goodfellas.


Originally Posted by Undeadcow (Post 11368778)
I found Certified Copy to be a really interesting movie but agree with an approximate 3/5 rating, it was not engaging enough (too emotionless) for the content. In part I wondered if the emotionless was intentional to suggest a clinic view of human emotion which is often in-authentic or fickle (suggested also by tone changes in the film). In part I wonder if the director just made an intentional vague conversation piece or if rewatching it would be rewarding. Mild Spoiler:
Spoiler:
My initial interpretation is that the message is relationships and emotions are so focused on the present that they come across as disconnected from the past in a way that is jarring on examination. Relationships are not authentic but a mirror of surroundings (i.e. wedding surroundings created a wedding interaction). We are always copying our human surroundings.

I like that about the "copying human surroundings." Do we play the part when we get fall in love, or get married, do our jobs, etc.? Definitely left me with some questions.


Originally Posted by Undeadcow (Post 11368836)
Black Orpheus is an amazing film from the vibrant street dancing to the cold bureaucratic depiction of hell, it's very atmospheric. It exceeded by expectations; great imagery with a classic story and an intense conclusion.

This is one of the most fun Criterion titles I own. There is so much energy. It's the anti-Certified Copy. Such a great film. It's one I can recommend with relative confidence for anyone who likes music.


Originally Posted by MinLShaw (Post 11369457)
Also, I have a question. Bernard Hermann won an Academy Award for his score, though the film does not appear on Criterion's Academy Award list. Check it anyway?

I say, "yes." I think anything that has won that is involved with the film would count. Criterion might have just gone with more of the heavy hitter categories, although, I think I remember a few scores on there in the past...but, yeah, count it.


Originally Posted by xizor42 (Post 11370332)
So I've decided that since Sophia probably won't be watching many of the films with me, I'd at least let her have a go at picking out what I watch. Tonight's choice was Belle de Jour. I asked her why she chose that one. "Well, it looks like one I haven't seen." I suppose that is probably a good thing at this point.


Originally Posted by MinLShaw (Post 11370349)
The kid walked over to my bookcase and selected a book that she wanted to explore. When asked why she picked it, she said, "It looks pretty." The book? The Sexual Life of Catherine M. by Catherine Millet.

These are classic conversations and I think it's good to get that sort of perspective on things that we are so passionate about...it also lends an awkwardness to some of the titles on our shelves.

I've had friends, well into adulthood, hold up my copy of The Dreamers and say, "what's this about?" and I usually respond with, "you probably won't like it" and then we can just move on.

Sondheim 09-03-12 11:45 PM

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So I just watched Kanal, which is essentially a 96 minute journey through hell. It's about a group of Polish Resistance fighters during the last days of the Warsaw Uprising. The net around them has been growing tighter over the last several weeks, and most of the men and women who are fighting know that they have essentially no chance of survival (and thanks to a bit of narration in the first minute or two of the film, we also don't feel much hope for them.)

The last hour or so of the film takes place in one of the most claustrophobic, hellish settings imaginable (in fact, one of the characters explicitly references Dante.)

It's one of the most hopeless and horrifying films I've ever seen.

Undeadcow 09-04-12 12:06 AM

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Breaking into Three Colors Trilogy with Blue, the color imagery is nice although the film seems aimless at times but it is well filmed with good tone. The depth of conflict from the main character is great but I am not sure I entirely understand the theme of "finding liberty" in disconnecting from everything in your life through forced tragedy.

I am hoping to watch In The Realm of the Senses soon... you know... errr... if I can stay up after the wife goes to bed.

Originally Posted by CardiffGiant (Post 11369835)
Samuel Fuller Eclipse Set is $13.98 on Amazon right now...

Nice! Ordered one, thanks!

Undeadcow 09-04-12 02:43 AM

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Earlier today I was at a local independent film theater and noticed they have a massive wall hanging poster in french for In the Realm of the Senses, (which is pretentious but...) I thought I'd give it a try. Despite the strong content (or perhaps aided by it) In The Realm of the Senses is a fascinating movie about obsession that at times feels overboard but that helps the dramatic sense of connectedness between the two main characters. Despite the explicit content it doesn't come off as sexy as much as it does in a serious expressive way; less arousing and more intellectually curious. IRoS is a gutsy film challenges viewers to break through their own taboos. It's not something that everyone should own but the mixed reviews are interesting; I enjoyed watching it. It's hard to imagine this same director made the much tamer Empire of Passion.

Travis McClain 09-04-12 10:50 AM

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Just watched The 39 Steps, which I have on non-Criterion DVD. My review:

SPOILER ALERT FOR ANYONE READING E-MAILS
(They're mostly minor spoilers, though.)

Spoiler:

Last year, I picked up a 2-disc Hitchcock DVD set at Target for $2.00. The 39 Steps was one of the ten selections. I meant to watch it last year for the Criterion Challenge but for whatever reason, I didn't. I actually started after midnight with another of the set's features, Secret Agent, but I kept getting interrupted and distracted and gave up on it. Just as I was about to restart it from the beginning, I learned that it followed The 39 Steps in the middle of what some consider Hitchcock's "Spy Trilogy" (the third film is Sabotage). I decided to go to this film instead, and then come back to Secret Agent in its entirety later.

It's easy to see how this story helped establish the paradigm for the spy genre, particularly the sub-genre of ordinary people caught up in the extraordinary machinations and intrigue orchestrated by insidious characters lurking in the shadows...and standing in plain sight before the world as pillars of their communities.

Richard Hannay is the kind of character that nearly any of us can easily recognize as ourselves. He hasn't any special skill set, no training, no gadgets or even any real resources to speak of. He's driven not even out of curiosity, but rather out of desperation. Richard is the victim of Occam's razor; it's far easier for other characters to believe the superficial story (that he murdered the woman he knows as Annabella Smith) than it is for them to believe the truth (that he's caught up in a matter of life-and-death, national security plot). We've all had our day wrecked by someone else's shenanigans at times, and we've all had trouble convincing someone that the way things seem is not how they really are. Richard is one of us.

Hitchcock himself said of the film that what he liked best "are the swift transitions" (quoted by Michael Wilmington in his 1985 essay), and I have to agree. More than once, I found that just as I was getting comfortable and thought I could take for granted where the film was headed, something abrupt would occur and instead of getting ahead of the film, I was now trying to catch up to what had just taken place. Perhaps the most jarring transition is when Richard is in the office of the Scottish sheriff, who professes to believe his story. It all seemed too easy, but by then I'd stopped trying to get ahead of the story. It's breathing, though, allowing me to begin wondering, "Where do we go from here, if Richard is finally square with the law?" And then, just as I've made the mistake of dabbling in speculation, bam! The sheriff brings in Professor Jordan's henchmen, masquerading as police, and I feel as jerked around as does Richard.

It's this kind of constant needling and juxtaposition that gives The 39 Steps not only its structure, but its appeal. Hitchcock knew that the audience ought to be just ahead of the story, and the protagonist just a bit behind. With this one, though, he kept me off-balance enough that I was able to get lost in the yarn myself. It's inadvisable for storytellers to try to create that effect, because it almost certainly guarantees that the story either become too cute or impenetrable; here, though, the master deftly navigates between just enough and too much.

One last note: the finale, in which Mister Memory is revealed to be the carrier of the secret information, triggered thoughts of The Lady Vanishes, where the secret is conveyed by melody. The Lady Vanishes novel was published a year after The 39 Steps film opened, so perhaps there was some measure of influence? I'm too tired to Google it to know for sure, but it seems plausible enough.


The 39 Steps
-X- 1930s (1935)
-X- Language (English)
-X- Theme (Suspense!)
-X- Spine Range 051-100 (#56)
-X- Essay: The 39 Steps by Michael Wilmington; The 39 Steps by Marian Keane; Thirty-Nine Steps to Happiness by David Cairns
--- Criterion Collectors Set/Eclipse Box Set (Essential Art House, Volume IV; Essential Art House: 50 Years of Janus Films; Wrong Men & Notorious Women: 5 Hitchcock Thrillers 1935-1946

Gobear 09-04-12 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CardiffGiant (Post 11369835)
I plan on responding to some of the other posts later tonight, but I thought you all should know what I stumbled upon this afternoon...

Samuel Fuller Eclipse Set is $13.98 on Amazon right now

Amazon must be having a sale on selected Criterions. Throne of Blood is only $11.18

Ash Ketchum 09-04-12 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Gobear (Post 11370899)
Amazon must be having a sale on selected Criterions. Throne of Blood is only $11.18

That's less than I paid for it during the 50% off sale in July. :(

Gobear 09-04-12 01:56 PM

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I watched Valerie and Her Week of Wonders for the first time on Hulu, and I have to say that it's up there with Hausu in terms of visual splendor mixed with complete incomprehensibility. You have vampires, weasels, lesbians, and broad metaphors for sexuality, like shirtless, oiled muscular men running through the frame periodically. The cinematography is beautifully rendered, and I found the film fascinating, even though I didn't understand what the hell was going on at any given moment.

It would make a good choice for next month's horror challenge.

LJG765 09-04-12 05:04 PM

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There's been so much talk about Curious Case of Benjamin Button that I decided to finally watch it. I've had the DVD since just a couple months after the release as I got the Criterion on sale yet, just haven't wanted to watch it. Partly because it was such a popular film and I have a tendency to hate popular films and partly because it received such bad reviews plus it's almost 3 hours long-that's a fair amount of time to devote to a movie that you're not sure you'll enjoy. Yet, I've been drawn to it since it was an oddly compelling story. I read the short story it's based on but wasn't impressed. So, today, I finally popped it in.

I'm so glad I watched it. I really liked it. It hit in some emotional way with me. Perhaps because of the backwards aging-I felt for Benjamin when he was treated the age how he looked but it wasn't until his mid life that his brain/emotions matched his age.

I don't know how else to put it, but it defintiely touched me and I wasn't prepared for that.

Watching the very little features right now. I have a feeling that this will be a long featurette, but it seems like there is only one on it--not sure that really matches most Criterion's, but hopefully the quality is good.

CardiffGiant 09-04-12 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Gobear (Post 11370899)
Amazon must be having a sale on selected Criterions. Throne of Blood is only $11.18

Thanks for posting this. I'm not sure what the logic of the random "sales" are, but I bit on the Fuller set and Throne of Blood as they both seem like no-brainers at that price.

gp1086 09-04-12 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by LJG765 (Post 11371309)
There's been so much talk about Curious Case of Benjamin Button that I decided to finally watch it. I've had the DVD since just a couple months after the release as I got the Criterion on sale yet, just haven't wanted to watch it. Partly because it was such a popular film and I have a tendency to hate popular films and partly because it received such bad reviews plus it's almost 3 hours long-that's a fair amount of time to devote to a movie that you're not sure you'll enjoy. Yet, I've been drawn to it since it was an oddly compelling story. I read the short story it's based on but wasn't impressed. So, today, I finally popped it in.

I'm so glad I watched it. I really liked it. It hit in some emotional way with me. Perhaps because of the backwards aging-I felt for Benjamin when he was treated the age how he looked but it wasn't until his mid life that his brain/emotions matched his age.

I don't know how else to put it, but it defintiely touched me and I wasn't prepared for that.

Watching the very little features right now. I have a feeling that this will be a long featurette, but it seems like there is only one on it--not sure that really matches most Criterion's, but hopefully the quality is good.

Yep - I saw The Curious Case of Benjamin Button as part of the Oscars challenge and was surprised to like it quite a bit, as well.

Undeadcow 09-04-12 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Gobear (Post 11371062)
I watched Valerie and Her Week of Wonders for the first time on Hulu, and I have to say that it's up there with Hausu in terms of visual splendor mixed with complete incomprehensibility. You have vampires, weasels, lesbians, and broad metaphors for sexuality, like shirtless, oiled muscular men running through the frame periodically. The cinematography is beautifully rendered, and I found the film fascinating, even though I didn't understand what the hell was going on at any given moment.

It would make a good choice for next month's horror challenge.

Valerie and Her Week of Wonders is an ambitious film; is that coming soon with a Criterion release? It'd be interesting to see what extras they'd throw in. I agree with you about the mysterious but robust imagery. Although vague here are my thoughts on it from the 2010 horror challenge

Originally Posted by Undeadcow
Valerie and Her Week of Wonders (1970, 77 minutes) 5.5/10 : Interesting Czechoslovakian film about a girl coming to womanhood using vampires/witches as metaphors for lust and control. Surreal arthouse vibe with good imagery. I think this would benefit from multiple viewings.



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