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Old 08-15-12 | 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by LJG765
I just finished watching Brother Bear and I think I may use it as my loathed character.
I watched that for the first time last year. I've collected my remarks from two different posts in the discussion thread for my Letterboxd review:

From my 2011 DVD Talk Animation Challenge Discussion Thread remarks

http://forum.dvdtalk.com/10887740-post139.html

We just watched Brother Bear, one of the few animated titles that has languished in our Unwatched Pile. The first 24 minutes are in a different aspect ratio than the rest of the film and because of the way it's presented on DVD, it creates a pillar box effect that was annoying. The upside is that there's some pretty bold content in those 24 minutes--surprisingly dark and violent for a G-rated Disney feature marketed heavily on the basis of the Canadian Moose voiced by Rick Moranis and Dave Thomas.

The animation is gorgeous and while the story is predictable and recycled, I was fairly invested in it emotionally. Maybe if I saw it when it came out (or even when we bought a few years ago) I would have been more impatient with it and more cynical, but I'm much more receptive to these kinds of stories at this point in my life. I'd give it a solid 4 stars except for the horrible use of songs. There's not one song in the lot that really added to the movie, which I could overlook...except that one song actively ruined the most important scene in the whole thing! It would have been acceptable had the dialog in that scene been muted for part of Mark Mancina's fine score, but Phil Collins singing over the confession felt like a complete intrusion on the most intimate scene there was. Absolutely the worst use of music I've seen in a movie in years, maybe ever.

http://forum.dvdtalk.com/10888738-post145.html

I was nauseated as hell yesterday and spent the entire time in bed (asleep, mercifully, for most of it) but I kept thinking about Brother Bear. The more I thought about it, the angrier I got about that damned song near the end. I've made a concentrated point in the last several years to avoid the trap of being the viewer who passes absolute judgment on something, but that was a singularly egregious choice. I don't know who's to blame for it, be it the directors, writers, Disney or Phil Collins's agent--or some combination--but I hope the responsible parties all hang their heads over this one.

Like I said, I think I would have accepted it had the dialog given way to scored music rather than the ballad. The facial expressions were very well done and suggestive enough that I don't think we have to hear what's being said. But that ballad...God, I just wanted to yell, "Shut up! They're having a moment here!" at my TV. Not just "a" moment, but really the moment of the whole damn thing.

The more I think about it, though, the more I realize that my anger stems from the fact that it wasn't just those two characters having the moment. I was invested in them and I was wanting to have that moment with them. So on the one hand, I tip my hat that they crafted a story that drew me in like that--I'm a pretty malleable viewer, but I rarely find myself responding emotionally to a movie; most of my reactions are intellectual in nature instead. On the other hand...they completely screwed up the most important part of my viewing experience.

I may eventually forgive them for this and concentrate on the positives, but for right now I'm just mad about the whole damn thing.
Old 08-15-12 | 09:51 PM
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Hmm, I didn't think about it that way. I did notice the music over the confession but I guess it didn't bother me that much. I wasn't as invested in the movie, though, so that may be part of it. I did think it was odd that they were glossing over it with the music. I guess at that part, I just didn't care about either the cub or the brother so it wasn't an emotional scene for me.

I do know how you feel about feeling like the movie let you down. I've had that a few times when watching something. You get so involved and you feel for the characters and it doesn't take much to ruin that good feeling and make the whole experience a negative.
Old 08-15-12 | 10:09 PM
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Just got through watching Oblivion Island: Haruka and the Magic Mirror. Beautiful with a fun and engaging story. It's available right now on Hulu (subbed) and Funimation's youtube channel (dunno). Definitely worth picking up the DVD/Blu-ray combo set.

Just saw it's $12.73 at Amazon. Totally worth it.

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Old 08-15-12 | 10:24 PM
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Re: 3rd Annual August Animation Challenge - Discussion Thread

Originally Posted by LJG765
Just curious what some people's loathed characters are...
Fritz the Cat.
Old 08-15-12 | 10:35 PM
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I despise Olive Oyle.
Old 08-16-12 | 08:24 AM
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I don't know if I could consider it a loathed character, but certainly dislike, but Serpentor. Maybe because of watching Cobra Commander ever since the MASS Device mini serties, but I hated that Cobra got a new leader.
Old 08-16-12 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by LJG765
Just curious what some people's loathed characters are...
Scrappy-Doo
Old 08-16-12 | 09:34 AM
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Fritz the Cat.
This.
Old 08-16-12 | 09:41 AM
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Scrappy-Doo
Oh, geez. How could I forget about the animated anti-Christ.
Old 08-16-12 | 10:05 AM
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I've taken the opportunity to go through a couple of the Walt Disney Treasures sets. So much great stuff in there. I'm especially intrigued by the Tomorrow Land films, which offer great science fiction art and detailed animation and model work in a series of speculative documentaries like "Man in Space," "Man and the Moon," and "Mars and Beyond."

I started on the "Front Lines" set yesterday and came across a real discovery: "Private Pluto" (1943), the very first Chip and Dale cartoon. Who knew?

Also in that set: "The Vanishing Private" (1942), with Donald Duck. In it, Donald is ordered to paint an artillery gun camouflage style "so that nobody can see it!" He finds "invisible paint" in an experimental lab on the base and goes to work. It's much more clever than Disney cartoons usually are. And it might have formed the basis for a funny service comedy from Disney with Kurt Russell as Dexter Riley once he turned military age around 1969 or so.
Old 08-16-12 | 10:52 AM
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I liked Scrappy Doo! I have to admit, I never heard of Fritz the Cat till now. It sounds interesting, but I'll pass now that I know it's a loathed character...

I really enjoy the Walt Disney Treasures as well. I've learned a lot about Disney and early films by watching them. I am missing the Front Lines set but it is on my want list.
Old 08-16-12 | 02:54 PM
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Whoo hoo! I finally finished the commercial part of the checklist. That was a pain to do! I don't watch a lot of daytime tv (which someone suggested for best chances of viewing them) so I had a harder time finding commercials that I thought qualified. I'm thankful for Disney as they always had 4 or 5 trailers before their movies that I could count!

I'm also one movie away from finishing the checklist. Plan on finishing tonight sometime after the one I'm watching now. Now, just to get my cat to pick something watchable...
Old 08-16-12 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by LJG765
I liked Scrappy Doo! I have to admit, I never heard of Fritz the Cat till now. It sounds interesting, but I'll pass now that I know it's a loathed character...
You're wise to skip it. Partly because it's a Ralph Bakshi film and partly based on your past comments. I believe you would be *extremely* offended. It was the first animated feature film to receive an "X" rating.

I'm in the "do not like Scrappy-Doo" character camp, but I don't like Scooby-Doo either.
Old 08-16-12 | 03:15 PM
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Good to know. I'm not too easily offended, but I'd rather not watch something just to prove it either. Scooby Doo was always a go to cartoon for me. Not my favorite but always watchable. Scrappy Doo was just a part of the gang so I put up with him. One of my favorite Scooby Doo series was the 13 Ghosts of Scooby Doo and you have Flim Flam in there to competing for most annoying. Vincent Price made up for it though...
Old 08-16-12 | 07:33 PM
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Well, I'm officially done with the checklist. There are a couple optional ones, but everything that's required is done! Yay! Two checklists in a row for me completed! I am going to try to fill it out a little more as the rest of the challenge goes on.

Last movie to check off was Finding Nemo-mom wanted to watch a film so I made her pick it out with no input from me, which is harder than it looks as she hates picking things out herself. I was going to let my cat help me out but trying to get him to do something is worse than trying to get mom to do something!
Old 08-16-12 | 08:36 PM
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I've already complained about Ralph Bakshi in this thread, but I will note that I watched Fritz the Cat last year for the first (and only) time. The sex content was tedious and felt like the work of an adolescent trying to be naughty, but some of the social/racial content bordered on clever and astute. I wouldn't say I necessarily enjoyed or liked the movie, but there was more merit to it than the other two Bakshi films I've endured.

Also, I like Scrappy-Doo. There. I said it. I'll never forgive the live-action movie for what it did to him.
Old 08-16-12 | 09:42 PM
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Also, I like Scrappy-Doo. There. I said it. I'll never forgive the live-action movie for what it did to him.
LoL! And now it's in writing forever! Well, I don't think differently of you for admitting it.

Just finished Finding Nemo. Forgot how much I liked that one. Starting Igor which I've watched once before and enjoyed. Not as much as Nemo but it's pretty funny and I remember liking the music a lot.
Old 08-16-12 | 10:39 PM
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Re: 3rd Annual August Animation Challenge - Discussion Thread

After a couple of animation-less days, I resumed my Fullmetal Alchemist marathon.

Originally Posted by LJG765
So, I've been looking at my checklist. I'm almost there, though I feel like I haven't made much progress the last couple days. I'm feeling a little better, so hope to correct that the next couple days. One of the checks is for a loathed character. I don't really have a loathed character.

Just curious what some people's loathed characters are...I have a feeling I may go for more of an "eh" character over a loathed one.
I really loath Cartman from South Park, but I believe that often the creators want the audience to hate/love him. I've been trying to think of other animated characters that I hate (I like Scrappy-Doo and have no opinion on Olive Oyl). I've always found Snarf from ThunderCats and Top Cat very annoying.

Also, congrats on finishing the checklist! I'm not even attempting it this challenge.
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Starting Igor which I've watched once before and enjoyed. Not as much as Nemo but it's pretty funny and I remember liking the music a lot.
I watched Igor last year for the first time and really enjoyed it even though i thought the trailer was horrible. may have to track down a copy


i fell off the wagon hard this week as works been keeping me busy but def wanna finish Archer s2 and try to fit in another anime series
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I've been busy and have only had time at night to watch movies and have been watching baseball games instead (which has been a problem for the past few challenges, damn baseball season being so long), so was happy that Wednesday was a day game and tonight they were off.. so of course I forget that my local movie theater was starting an indie movie night (that I want to get business) on Wednesdays this week and had a baby shower tonight, so I've stuck to some short films which I'm really enjoying watching. Hopefully this weekend I can carve out 4 hours for the last LOTR movie and a couple others I have lined up.
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Re: 3rd Annual August Animation Challenge - Discussion Thread

Originally Posted by LJG765
Well, I'm officially done with the checklist. There are a couple optional ones, but everything that's required is done! Yay! Two checklists in a row for me completed! I am going to try to fill it out a little more as the rest of the challenge goes on.

Last movie to check off was Finding Nemo-mom wanted to watch a film so I made her pick it out with no input from me, which is harder than it looks as she hates picking things out herself. I was going to let my cat help me out but trying to get him to do something is worse than trying to get mom to do something!
Old 08-17-12 | 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by LJG765
LoL! And now it's in writing forever! Well, I don't think differently of you for admitting it.
I can live with both parts of this.

Just finished Finding Nemo.
Where was he?

Starting Igor which I've watched once before and enjoyed. Not as much as Nemo but it's pretty funny and I remember liking the music a lot.
I saw Igor during the 2010 Horror Challenge and really enjoyed it. I thought it was pretty fresh, eschewing a lot of the anachronistic pop culture humor that tends to permeate contemporary animated features. Plus, I enjoyed its tongue-in-cheek celebration of monster movies. I've got it on DVD, plucked out of a $5 bin a while back. I might revisit that before this challenge ends.
Old 08-17-12 | 08:39 AM
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I want to resume my Robotech marathon, after listening to an anime podcast where Macross was one of the topics being discussed. Now if I can only remember where I put it. Why is it when you aren't looking for something you see it all the time, but when you really want it, then you can't find it?
Old 08-17-12 | 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by MinLShaw
I've already complained about Ralph Bakshi in this thread, but I will note that I watched Fritz the Cat last year for the first (and only) time. The sex content was tedious and felt like the work of an adolescent trying to be naughty, but some of the social/racial content bordered on clever and astute. I wouldn't say I necessarily enjoyed or liked the movie, but there was more merit to it than the other two Bakshi films I've endured.

Also, I like Scrappy-Doo. There. I said it. I'll never forgive the live-action movie for what it did to him.
MinLShaw, have you ever read the Fritz comics by R. Crumb? Back in '72, I was disappointed in the movie because it didn't capture the spirit or humor of the comics. In fact, I've read the comics again since then, but have never revisited the movie. Crumb and Bakshi had wildly different sensibilities.

RE: Bakshi--I still haven't seen AMERICAN POP or HEY GOOD LOOKIN'. Anyone have any thoughts on those?

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Old 08-17-12 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Ash Ketchum
MinLShaw, have you ever read the Fritz comics by R. Crumb? Back in '72, I was disappointed in the movie because it didn't capture the spirit or humor of the comics. In fact, I've read the comics again since then, but have never revisited the movie. Crumb and Bakshi had wildly different sensibilities.

RE: Bakshi--I still haven't seen AMERICAN POP or HEY GOOD LOOKIN'. Anyone have any thoughts on those?
No, I haven't read any Crumb to this point. It's on my To Do list.


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