Gieferg

Ok, here's another example: Michael Mann and his DC of The Last Of The Mohicans (I suppose that this new Rambo version won't go that far in this direction, but you know what I mean).

Alien DC is at least released with theatrical version on the same disc, so in fact we're missing nothing.

bsmith

It's pretty useless to make comparisons between director's cuts, or use the results of one to predict another. Some work out better and some don't. The only way to know about this one is to just wait and see it.

CliffStephenson

Exactly. Perfectly put. The Abyss is a great example of where an extended cut not only enhances the theatrical release, but damn near changes it completely (for the better, in my opinion-YMMV).

Also not really a great example to use because the theatrical cut of Mohicans is not available on DVD here in the US. If you don't care for the changes Mann made, you really don't have an equal-quality alternative. At least with the Rambo extended cut, if you aren't happy with what he's done, you'll always have the theatrical DVDs and Blu-rays to return to.

But in case you still think this is somehow 'censorship' or just a studio cash in throwing in nothing but a bunch of 'talky' deleted scenes, here's a quote from Sly that may explain his motivations.

MTRodaba2468

Just because you don't like one film's Director's Cut doesn't mean that every DC is bad.

For example, I'm not a fan of Apocalypse Now Redux. However, James Cameron's DCs have been quite good. You stated that you don't like Ridley Scott's DC of Alien (which, as was established before, technically isn't a director's cut), however, his (true) Director's Cut of Kingdom Of Heaven is MUCH better than the theatrical cut.

Quite frankly, you're argument is pretty closed-minded.

You didn't put it together, it was released that way.

Admittedly, I'm a fan of "definitive" releases of films, instead of having to hold on to multiple copies of one film just to have all the extras and different cuts. But I get what Cliff said they were trying to do: make a good 2-Disc set for Rambo. Just grab a case for 2-Discs, and with some custom artwork, you're all set (or, if you have the Rambo tin, just chuck the useless digital copy).

The other question is why, if you're so set against the idea of this movie having an alternate cut, do you plan on getting it in the first place? Mind you, I get that you're a fan of the movie. But that doesn't mean that you have to get every copy of the film released, especially if the release in question is not up to par with your standards...

Gieferg

And who said so?

Again, who said so? I like an idea of alternate cuts for movies, including Rambo - I just dont like an idea of cutting out things that I like :P And I've just taken a look on this scene where the guy lost his legs, watched it frame by frame, and still cant tell what is wrong with it :P

On official release of Alien, you can choose between theatrical or director's cut. Both versions has some footage exsclusive to them - DC has some additional scenes, but is missing some scenes from theatrical and viceversa. And I've put every single scene together, and even added 5 minutes from deleted scenes sections from bonus DVD, so now I have 120 mins long, complete version of the movie and there is no need to choose between theatrical and DC anymore. And that's what I've been talking about.

Is there any problem with buying it somewhere else? I am from Poland (Europe, in case somebody doesnt know that) and have some UK, French and Australian DVDs on my shelf, if I need US release of any film, that's also not a big problem. Have you ever heard about region free players?

tylergfoster

My understanding of his post was that he created a "complete" edit of the movie with all footage from both versions.

EDIT: Durr, I didn't read his above post. Well, I was right, anyway.

Now we're going off on a tangent, but I've never liked Cameron's TCs (missing many awesome scenes) or DCs (drag on for too long). I've always thought there was some perfect cut right in between.

CliffStephenson

That's great, but a lot of other people (including Stallone) didn't think it was the best it could be and that it was potentially more distracting than effective. It's not a horrible shot, but it's definitely got flaws. Should Stallone be required to keep it in as is because you simply couldn't see what so many others could?

But what you're describing has no respect or consideration for pacing, storytelling strength, continuity, director's intention, mood, or any number of other things it took hundreds of people years to ultimately arrive at. I'm not arguing that it's not your right to do what you wish, but you'll probably have a lot of trouble getting other people to understand your everything and the kitchen sink fan cuts. And I have to imagine that your personal Frankenstein monster fan cuts are a hodgepodge of bad audio edits, terrible cuts and nightmarishly patchy A/V quality (especially if you're culling material from DVD deleted scenes sections). I can't imagine being so taken with every bit of footage available that I wouldn't immediately be distracted and pulled out of the movie experience every time any of these cuts would happen. I would rather have a completed, technically finished movie that comes from the mind and hands of the filmmaker that I can lose myself in. But knock yourself out.

Of course I've heard about region free players... I've had one in some form or another since they first became available over a decade ago (I've also made my Blu-ray player region free). But the reality is that not everyone is so knowledgeable about such things and really only have what is available locally to them. For the vast majority of Americans (right or wrong), if it's not available at Best Buy or Amazon.com, it's not available.

Gieferg

Do i look like I give a damn? :P

It's called fanediting and there is many people with that hobby, and I am one of them.

I suppose You havent seen any fanedit, right? Do you really think that I would watch something like this? Besides blending two version of Alien is very easy, cause doesnt need any additional audio editing, even unexperienced editor can do it that way, you won't even notice cut points.

Well, from what I know, majority doesnt even care for extended 10 minutes longer cuts of the movies, and almost everybody with exception of fans or movie-freaks dont even know about their existence.

Not at all. But like I said, it's no big deal, even If I dont like it. I can fix it by myself :P

Solid Snake

I dunno. I'm personally against the idea of most fan edits. In some rare cases it's an amazing feat. In most cases it's not. I've seen very few of them...only the ones that I think mattered stemming from the film's production issues and cutting stuff out against the director's wishes blah blah. In this case....If Stallone puts it in I'm sure he has a reason to, and after seeing the cut scene...I have to admit..it gives some depth to Rambo. You know? it's an internal argument for him talking to this woman.

Gieferg

Ok, so let's ask one question - there will be 9 additional minutes of footage, so, what % of that is actually "never seen before" footage and what % is deleted material which was on first release as deleted scenes. If it's like 3 minutes from deleted scenes and 6 minutes of new footage I would say it's quite good, but if it is more like 3 (or less) minutes of new footage and 6 minutes recycled from deleted scenes...well, not so good.

CliffStephenson

What does it matter what percentage is never before seen or not? To me, it seems the quality of the footage as it pertains to the overall story is what matters first and foremost. Not enjoying an extended cut of something simply because you might have seen the additional footage before means you're not watching the movie, you're watching the footage. And besides, all of the other footage around it is all 'old' footage, so does that curtail your enjoyment of repeat viewings because there isn't new footage to keep you interested. New footage is only new one time.

Like I said... go ahead and make your own fan edit using the deleted scenes. Knock yourself out. I'll defer to the actual artists who 'made' the film.

Suuuuuuure I wouldn't notice. I'm sure that unrestored deleted scenes footage from the DVD bonus features is totally seamless. Once again, I'll defer to the professionals.

MTRodaba2468

I'll refer to this previous quote:
You didn't like when one director made a "director's cut" that involved removing material to make room for other material, so you won't like it here, even though it's not only a different franchise, but a different director as well.

A movie can have plenty of great scenes, but it can be all for naught if it doesn't work as a cohesive whole. Sometimes, even great scenes or shots need to be cut if it's beneficial to the overall film.

Gotcha. Misunderstood.

With that said, while it may be cool to see all the scenes from both cuts put together initially, I don't think it would work towards improving the movie's quality. Scott was on record as saying when he added the deleted scenes without cutting anything, it messed up the film's pacing, which, when it comes to horror, is crucial. Hence, why he removed other scenes, so that the movie would flow better.

Your cut sounds almost like an assembly cut of the movie. Quite frankly, I don't think it would be an enjoyable watch on it's own merits



Not particularly.

More power to you.

I have seen a few fanedits in my time. Occasionally you have an interesting one, but frankly, most of them aren't very good, and are conducted by those whom don't have a large understanding of, as Cliff stated before, "pacing, storytelling strength, continuity, director's intention, mood, etc."

Gieferg

To buy or not to buy for me.

Unfortunately, that kind of avoiding answer (quoted above), makes me think that there wont be too much unseen material, cause if somebody is interested in something and wants to know if he will get it, the answer "what does it matter" usually doesnt mean "Yes, you will get it".

So, I think I know everything I wanted to know now. Thank you very much


Well, people who have seen it would disagree I think (not to mention that those who weren't fans or very familiar with the movie didnt even noticed that something was changed).

Well, there are directors who dont have this understanding either.

Solid Snake

I understand what your saying but just inserting footage for the sake of having more of what you like or want doesn't make it better. And again does it make you like it more or does it actually make the product better?

I've edited some stuff here and there for school. We make movies all the time and sometimes I have to edit it. Sometimes there'll be a really good scene that I WOULD like for others to see but sometimes...it kills the story or the pacing or etc. It's a tough decision editing stuff like that. I trust Stallone's belief in what he's editing in. Will I buy this? Maybe...I'm more interested in the doc over the new cut, but I just love to see features like that (especially on films I like)..that's just me.

Dr Mabuse

WAY too much troll feeding in this thread.

Don't feed the trolls.

Gieferg

That's your opinion. EOT.

JZ1276

i'd like to know this as well...and where can i find it?
nevermind....found it...pretty easy find too.

Strike that, it was bogus...where can I find it???!!!!

vhunter

cool banner...I saw this movie.

goodsake

Rambo is one of my favorite characters of all time

Willo007

Cliff, Did you have anything to do with the Special Edition of Johnny Handsome
that Lionsgate is releasing on 07/27/2010. If so why no DVD and only Blu?

bigjim25

RocShemp

I wish it was the 27th already. I'm really looking forward to this release.

JohnnyMovie

Im plan to buy Extended Cut DVD and I own it in blu-ray.

so it been on aired cable earlier on Spike network.

JJE-187

I didn't watch it but i saw a promo on spike that used the John Rambo title, so is the new "extended, director's cut" being re-titled to John Rambo?

Hendersonfan

My thinking is the Director's Cut is the way the director visioned the film to be and it would be the best route to go. Now I understand this isn't always true and some people don't like DC's, but they did make the movie how they wanted it, not how we wanted it to be. It would be nice if the DC would also include the theatrical version on the same disc. Perhaps the studios don't want the movie to be so long or schedule is rushed and after the movie made some money and was successful they could then go revisit it and edit however they wanted.