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ilovedeals 12-04-09 07:20 PM

Re: do you think blu ray will over take dvds?
 

Originally Posted by mrpayroll (Post 9864746)
Leave the guy (girl ? :drool: ) alone! :lol:

I picked more than 5 years because I think most people who are DVD based are more than happy with the picture and quality. I think what will cause Blu Ray to overtake DVDz is the continuing rapid price drops that we are seeing.

It seems that the movie studios are agressively lowering the wholesale prices they charge Amazon, etc. to buy copies. They keep the SRP high and when Amazon can sell something for 60% off the retail price we all jump on it like rabid dogs.

It took DVDz almost 10 years before the prices started falling rapidly and that was because of the release of Blu Rays & HD DVD :rip:

Feel free to disagree with me... but if ilovedeals is a girl... LEAVE HER ALONE! :mad:

Chris

not a girl and for the other person who didnt like canada what is wrong with canada? lol

orangerunner 12-05-09 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mister Peepers (Post 9871572)
I'm just saying when you're trying to argue prices and using funny money, it solves nothing.

Canada sucks, I'm not referring to the people trapped there.

Your eloquent choice of words aside, we're not comparing the Japanese Yen, Swiss Francs or Pesos.

A Canadian dollar is equivilant to $.95 US, so it isn't much of a difference. $18.99 for a DVD compared to $26.99 for Blu, expressed as a per cent difference is still significant.

I am surprised to hear that some stores are actually selling the Blu-ray for cheaper than the DVD. I suppose they are trying this tactic as a "loss leader" just to get people to sample Blu-ray and hoping if they like it they'll purchase a player and more discs (at the regular prices).

Trevor 12-05-09 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by orangerunner (Post 9872727)
I am surprised to hear that some stores are actually selling the Blu-ray for cheaper than the DVD. I suppose they are trying this tactic as a "loss leader" just to get people to sample Blu-ray and hoping if they like it they'll purchase a player and more discs (at the regular prices).

Blu-ray versions have been consistently cheaper than their special edition DVD counterparts for quite awhile now. Still a couple bucks more than a bare bones DVD though.

ctyankee 12-05-09 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by orangerunner (Post 9872727)
I am surprised to hear that some stores are actually selling the Blu-ray for cheaper than the DVD. I suppose they are trying this tactic as a "loss leader" just to get people to sample Blu-ray and hoping if they like it they'll purchase a player and more discs (at the regular prices).

Stores use loss-leaders to get consumers into a store on a given week so they can try to sell them things they make money on. If you think any of these store chains are thinking about the 'bigger picture' such as sustaining losses for some 'potential' better day for Blu-Ray sales, you're dreaming.

mdnitoil 12-05-09 01:12 PM

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Yeah, if anything it's the studios undercutting the wholesale price to the retailers to artificially juice sales. That's the source of the low prices. It's a reasonable approach and I wish them luck with it. I'm not going to be buying any of their product but I'm sure others will benefit.

orangerunner 12-05-09 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mdnitoil (Post 9872817)
Yeah, if anything it's the studios undercutting the wholesale price to the retailers to artificially juice sales. That's the source of the low prices. It's a reasonable approach and I wish them luck with it. I'm not going to be buying any of their product but I'm sure others will benefit.

You're right, this is probably a case where the discounts are coming from the studios, not the retailers. It's not as critical to the retailers if Blu-ray takes off or not. It is critical to the studios.

The main thing that is holding Blu-ray back, now that players have come down in price considerably, is the fact that DVD is still considerably cheaper, with the exception of some of these special Blu-ray deals.

Blu-ray isn't really expensive it's just that DVD has set the precendent of what people want to pay to own a movie, regardless of picture quality.

Ideally (to the studios) if DVD were to disappear overnight, Blu-ray would be $25.99 (the traditional store price for DVD) and there would be no competition on the store shelf to give consumers reason to believe Blu-ray is too expensive.

For years people had no problem paying $25.99 for a DVD because there was no comparable competition except for VHS which was perceived by the public as an enormous step down.

Blu-ray now has DVD, video-on-demand, streaming, free downloading and just other forms of entertainment like the internet, iPods, cell phones, Twitter, Facebook and ever-growing rise of video games.

DVD had some of these as competition in the late ninties/early 00's but to a much lesser degree.

Disc-Flipper 12-06-09 12:01 AM

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How do people feel about spending their hard-earned money to buy Blu-Rays to replace DVD movies they might've only gotten around to watching only once? It seems such a ripoff to me.

I think if the price of Blu's come down and certain titles (Star Wars and Lord of the Rings) come out on DVD, it's inevitable that Blu will come into many peoples' homes. But there are many DVD titles which will never make it to Blu, for lack of better definition masters or not great enough sales return in the DVD format.

hindolio 12-06-09 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by orangerunner (Post 9872965)
...Blu-ray isn't really expensive it's just that DVD has set the precendent of what people want to pay to own a movie, regardless of picture quality...

imho, this is reasonable. but continuing the dialogue about blu vs sd dvd price points, the current new-release pricing is weird.

$16 1-disk
$22 2-disk
$20 blu
how is the above sustainable?

rather:
$10 1-disk
$15 2-disk
$20 blu
kinda make sense to me.

or:
$16 1-disk
$22 2-disk
$28 blu
but i dont think blu has much of a chance in this case.

hows my logic?

Travis McClain 12-06-09 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Disc-Flipper (Post 9873848)
How do people feel about spending their hard-earned money to buy Blu-Rays to replace DVD movies they might've only gotten around to watching only once? It seems such a ripoff to me.

You almost make it sound as though upgrading is compulsory; since your DVD library will play on a Blu-ray player, there's no need to upgrade anything. As for titles that have only been watched once, that may be a sign that your purchasing habits should be reconsidered. How is it any less wasteful to only watch a Blu-ray once instead of a DVD only once? If anything, double-dipping at least ensures you see the movie twice.


But there are many DVD titles which will never make it to Blu, for lack of better definition masters or not great enough sales return in the DVD format.
What we might see is DVD continue to operate as the default medium for those lesser-titles. Those older things that simply aren't worth it to a studio to remaster and transfer to Hi-Def, but that still have enough of an audience to justify releasing on DVD.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi 12-06-09 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Disc-Flipper (Post 9873848)
How do people feel about spending their hard-earned money to buy Blu-Rays to replace DVD movies they might've only gotten around to watching only once? It seems such a ripoff to me.

I think if the price of Blu's come down and certain titles (Star Wars and Lord of the Rings) come out on DVD, it's inevitable that Blu will come into many peoples' homes. But there are many DVD titles which will never make it to Blu, for lack of better definition masters or not great enough sales return in the DVD format.

I upgrade based on how well I like the movie and the price. Being able to recently upgrade quite a few movies for around $5 is hardly a ripoff. I did the same with DVD upgrades when prices were around the same, only this time I'm getting a better upgrade.

Just as many DVD titles won't make it to blu-ray, the same can be said about VHS to DVD. There's more than a few items I'd like to get and until then I'm keeping my tapes.

With something only being on DVD isn't as big of an issue since you can keep your DVD and play it in your blu-ray player. Much easier than trying to get a VHS tape to play in a DVD player.

nando820 12-06-09 10:45 AM

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I hate how every DVD release has now single Edition and 2-disc Edition. Not even on one format they can provide a definitive edition.

Bottom line if is cheap enough I buy regardless if is DVD or Blu-Ray

gotrice487 12-06-09 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by nando820 (Post 9874162)
I hate how every DVD release has now single Edition and 2-disc Edition. Not even on one format they can provide a definitive edition.

Bottom line if is cheap enough I buy regardless if is DVD or Blu-Ray

This is a fantastic answer as with the economy being down and being on unemployment at the moment, I definitely have price playing a huge factor at the moment as to what I will and will not buy

jjcool 12-06-09 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mister Peepers (Post 9871572)
I'm just saying when you're trying to argue prices and using funny money, it solves nothing.

Canada sucks, I'm not referring to the people trapped there.

Funny money? You do realize that we arent talking prices here, but the difference between the prices? And when a Canadian Dollar is about equal to an American Dollar, that price difference is very telling.

ctyankee 12-06-09 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Disc-Flipper (Post 9873848)
How do people feel about spending their hard-earned money to buy Blu-Rays to replace DVD movies they might've only gotten around to watching only once? It seems such a ripoff to me.

If someone is dumb enough to buy some film they've only "gotten around" to watch once ... that's on them.

orangerunner 12-06-09 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ctyankee (Post 9874404)
If someone is dumb enough to buy some film they've only "gotten around" to watch once ... that's on them.

I think what "Discflipper" is saying is that most people are not going to be throwing money around buying random titles with Blu-ray as they did with DVD which will not work in favour of seeing more Blu-ray catalogue titles, especially the lesser films.

indiephantom 12-06-09 03:18 PM

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DVD is already overtaken most everywhere I shop. Some desperate consumers are still clinging to it, and it's still where most of the TV sets are...but I think in 3 years BD will be dominating hard.

dvdboy90 12-23-09 09:03 PM

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I think it would take over, flat screens are getting incresingly cheaper each time i look at them. i found it strange when VHS took over from BETA when beta was the better format but VHS was cheaper to produce. but that was way back when 80's...... Blue ray is awsume you just put it in and it plays straght away without the menus. yes it still does have menus you can display the menus without disrupting the movie being played which i think is a great option to have. the quality is awsome picture perfect. like on ice age the fury animals look real and fluffy, Harry potter you can see the details in the parchment paper plus other things look awsome. blue rays the way to go.

Jigen75 12-23-09 11:21 PM

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I have 2500 DVDs and 100 Blu Ray discs. I only have the movies I really, really like on Blu Ray. When Star Wars comes out on Blu Ray, I will get that. But most DVDs look fine on my 58 inch TV so I have no reason to upgrade those not to mention all the cheap prices on DVDs these days. I really think the studios are shooting themselves in the foot blowing out standard def DVDs for 3.00 bucks each. People will just buy whats cheap. There going to have to blow out Blu Rays to get people to upgrade. And I think DVD will continue to exist as long as Blu Ray does. There's too many titles that won't come out on Blu Ray, and too many people have DVD players. Something else will come along that will replace both DVD and Blu Ray. Something much more advanced.

Superdaddy 12-29-09 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jigen75 (Post 9906268)
There's too many titles that won't come out on Blu Ray, and too many people have DVD players.

As a new BD player owner, I think this is pretty much accurate. Of all the VHS tapes I owned, only 2-3 titles have not appeared on DVD/BD as of yet. But I had far fewer tapes than I have DVDs. I'll probably be watching many of those DVDs for a long time, as I doubt they'll be releasing a movie like, say, Equus on BD any time soon. Even if I could afford to upgrade my entire collection right now, I wouldn't be able to. I'd guesstimate that about 80% of what I have isn't available on BD at this point.

I write this as I sit here with my first BD purchase sitting next to me: How the West Was Won. Was tempted to buy the DVD once they got the picture cleaned up and the join lines fixed, but I didn't have a decent-sized screen to watch it on and, based on screen caps I've seen, really wanted the Smilebox version as those caps were making my jaw drop. I hope I'll be duly impressed when I watch it.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi 12-30-09 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Jigen75 (Post 9906268)
There's too many titles that won't come out on Blu Ray, and too many people have DVD players. Something else will come along that will replace both DVD and Blu Ray. Something much more advanced.

And all those DVDs can be played on Blu-ray players, so now they have the option on what to buy.

I always hear people saying something about the next format that'll replace dvd and blu-ray. Of course something will. On the other hand, do you really think people won't have the same argument against switching to that, "Not everything will be on <new format>, DVD is fine for me".

reverie 12-30-09 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by indiephantom (Post 9874625)
DVD is already overtaken most everywhere I shop. Some desperate consumers are still clinging to it, and it's still where most of the TV sets are...but I think in 3 years BD will be dominating hard.

I could be wrong, but to me it seems like the only reason Blu-Ray is expanding as quickly as it is are stores are forcing it on the consumers much more (look at BB for the prime example).

orangerunner 12-30-09 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Mister Peepers (Post 9914845)
I always hear people saying something about the next format that'll replace dvd and blu-ray. Of course something will. On the other hand, do you really think people won't have the same argument against switching to that, "Not everything will be on <new format>, DVD is fine for me".

There will always be something new around the corner. The publics skepticism is usually based on how soon.

A formats success is usually based on timing, price and a perceived "need" for the product.

Blu-ray has really thrown everything into marketing their product with machines as low as $99 down from about $249 in the summer and titles as low as $6.99.

On the surface it seems to be working with Blu-ray putting itself front & centre but I always wonder about the enormous loses behind the scenes.
The prices are great for the consumers but if Blu-ray doesn't take off in a really big way, can they keep selling their product at a "loss" to generate that desired high volume?

Would it have been wiser to get the prices down & the volume up on the HDTV sets before coming out with HD Discs?

Even if there wasn't an HD format war I think 2006 was a little too soon for the average consumer. Many people just bought a DVD player three or four years prior and weren't ready to switch. VHS was in most people's homes for 15+ years before DVD even hit the market. I think the public was much more open to changing formats, especially a format that was totally new and, at the time, revolutionary.

It would have been interesting to see if they had let DVD level off, let people experience broadcast TV in HD, create an interest. When there's more consumer awareness, start to introduce the HD discs.

Of course with so many emerging technologies it can be argued a disc format of any kind was already too little, too late by 2006.

Travis McClain 12-30-09 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mister Peepers (Post 9914845)
I always hear people saying something about the next format that'll replace dvd and blu-ray. Of course something will. On the other hand, do you really think people won't have the same argument against switching to that, "Not everything will be on <new format>, DVD is fine for me".

I don't know for sure, but I'd be willing to say that there aren't very many titles left to be put out on DVD. And I'm sure there were VHS holdouts a decade ago who weren't willing to commit to a format that might not offer the same selection as that format. It's funny, though, because I know of a lot more people whose home video libraries were really grown with DVD than they ever did with VHS--even when many of those supposedly important titles were available on the older format, they weren't in the libraries of the people fearful that they might not be released on DVD.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi 12-30-09 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MinLShaw (Post 9915040)
I don't know for sure, but I'd be willing to say that there aren't very many titles left to be put out on DVD.

From what I collect, there's a ton of stuff not out on DVD. I'll admit that I'm possibly an exception when it comes to collecting on this site.

I ran into something amusing two nights ago. I was watching the third Harry Potter DVD and the preview at the beginning was for Elf. Coming soon on DVD and VHS.

Jigen75 12-30-09 12:44 PM

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I just think Blu Ray is not advanced enough over DVD to replace it. They will live in harmony until something really exciting comes along that makes everyone want to upgrade. Right now most of the Blu Ray buying seems to be forced. The stores are shoving it down peoples throats, they are dropping the prices to DVD or below. The players are already under 100 bucks. Is Blu Ray really doing that well or is it just the fact that its the same or close to the same as DVD pricing? When DVD came out, there was no competition with VHS. For me it was so much better I didn't want to watch a VHS tape ever again.


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