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The original DVD Active link has the trade advertisement on it now. The Director's cut is 118 min and the Theatrical cut is 115 min. It says the single disc just has no extras mentioned.

http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releas...alvation2.html

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Its official: Warners makes the worst dvds.

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+1. Exactly. The thing is their TV on DVD and Achieve devisions are usually pretty decent but its their New Release department is very very prejudiced and I smell conspiracy brewing involving payoffs for all of this Blu-ray exclusive shenanigans.
I remember that when they were the ones who basically ended HD-DVD there was brouhaha about them excepting a large payment from Sony to go Blu. Everything they have done since has only reinforced my opinion that this is the case.

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Please tell me you're joking about the conspiracy theory.

What about the big payoffs for putting out a crappy looking blu-ray? Is there some secret vhs organization that wants a super big payoff before they let some of their stuff finally become available on dvd? Did someone have to pay billions of dollars in dark allies before Howard the Duck was approved to be released on DVD ;)

They're just doing things to get people to adopt the new format. Things like that always happen when companies start moving to a newer technology. The old stuff doesn't get all the updates that the newer thing does which happens more and more over time.

It's like the same argument I heard from hillbillies at wal-mart refusing to upgrade to dvd because of the black bars and vhs was good enough.

People talking about boycotting them over this issue have way to much time on their hands. Let's imagine for a moment where the people talking about boycotting actually cause some sales figures to change for this movie. The only thing that'll show is a reduced amount of DVD sales compared to Blu-ray sales which is the direction WB is heading for.

And really, would anyone be surprised if they did the director's cut later on for DVD, or any other type of double dipping?

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Who cares if you don't get the DC anyway, it's just 3 extra minutes of footage that can't come anywhere close to salvaging this wreck of a movie.

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Actually, if you're talking about features that require you to buy a new tv as well as a player in order to get the features that could easily have been included on the DVD release, it has plenty to do with Warner. I also understand that you are making the point that I should have had to buy a new TV since I got my first player, but that's a hypothetical in a vacumn.

Since I got my first dvd player 10 years ago, I got married and have purchased two homes. My priorities have changed since that glorious purchase. I think it's fair to say that there are plenty of people in my same situation. I'd absolutely LOVE to get a 50" Panny plasma or a 73" Mitsubishi, but it just isn't happening right now. I'm still watching dvd's on my 27" SDTV hooked up to my 6.1 surround sound. It does ok for now. Yes, I'll get a new tv and Bluray player some day, but this movie isn't releasing someday. Also, it was perfectly feasible for you to use your current setup to enjoy dvd. It isn't that way with Bluray.

I'm not looking for any sympathy at all. My priorities just aren't in getting the best right now because of the investment involved. There are plenty of people in the same boat. We love movies just as much as the people who have made the Blu jump. Those of us still on DVD have just as much of a right to complain about a dick move like this as the Bluray owners who complain about features not being transferred to Blu releases. I'm fine with not getting commentaries that aren't DVD compatible because Bluray does have capabilities that DVD doesn't. When it's something like this, though, do you actually expect DVD owners just shut up and take it?

Yes, I know what I'm missing out on in terms of A/V quality, but there's just no reason to pull a move like this. If there are special features that can only be on Bluray because of the features of the format, let THAT be the driving force to get people to convert. Pulling crap like this just alienates those of us who are perfectly willing to spend our money on the movie and pushes us toward spending that disposable income on something else. It also generates some pretty bad will among us as well.

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yeah and what other titles are those?
ALL other studios? what other studios are doing that?

my examples from before like star trek, transformers are all getting 2disc
treatment for those still interested! only warner is screwing their customers big time. then again they have a history of being completely ignorant and not even answering customer emails, ever.

and please don`t put down other users by telling them how business works!
business mostly works if the customer service is right and not by companies
completely ignoring customer demands and pushing their own agenda.
all those bluray growth numbers being dropped are great, but the mass turnover is still generated by dvds. also, 2disc editions sell for 22,99 so i don`t think thats much cheaper than bluray. with smaller numbers, the bluray production overhead costs are probably much higher, so i doubt that pushing bluray down our throats makes them so much more profit.
if they released a nice 2disc edition with the directors cut and a slipsleeve, thats something i would
spend 22,99 on release day. for a shit barebones edition, which they feel is sufficient for the
dumb stone age dvd buyers, i will spend 5 dollars when its in some trash bin.
so even if i am the only one doing this, warner has already lost 17,99 dollars, rather than to increase
their profits through great bluray marketing strategies :)
and i think we are currently seing enough examples of where dumb corporate greed leads during this economy....

blurays main selling argument should be the full hd resolution for the people who want it. if they can only sell it by such forcefull measures, than the format is as doomed as toshibas hd format :)
well, doomed probably not, but pretty sad that the only selling argument
is some extra features, rather than the superb quality :)

we are not having a debate bluray over dvd, it is just a debate that warner
is using bull shit measures. for the friday the 13th remake they were able
to put the extended killer cut out on dvd. would it hurt them so much to do the same here?
how many friday 13th dvds do you think they sold compared to the bluray
numbers? i think if warner execs so that, they would reconsider their policies.
do you think that the upset customers will now switch to bluray, because they want the directors cut of a mediocre terminator movie!?
if i switch it will be when prices drop, disc loading times decrease, etc., but
definitely not because warner thinks i should :)
i think this move will backfire on them, because it will piss more people
off, rather than fascinating them for the new format.

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this was a random number I came up with. I figure a nice blu ray player will be around $200, and there are at least 20 titles i'm interested in picking up, not exact, but it simply isn't buy the player and be done with it. Most of the titles I want, I already own on DVD, i'd just be "upgrading".


I'm really tired of having this discussion in the DVDtalk forum though. I know the advantages of blu-ray, I want blu-ray, but I can't afford to upgrade right now. Plain and simple.

If I want to bitch about a studio releasing an inferior DVD, on a DVD forum, like I have been doing for 8 years, well then i'm going to do it.


Oh, and GizmoDVD, why do you even bother to post in this thread? You obviously have ZERO interest in this product on DVD, and if you came here just to support the studio's practice, well then that's just lame.

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judging from his remarks in the hd thread, i think he feels superior to us dumb
dvd buyers.
anyhow, looking at the dvdactive forum i think many people are pissed at warner, just to quote a few:


"Bare bones DVD? I can't afford a BR player, as some mentioned. They are coming down in price, but not nearly enough for me to WANT one and pay almost $20 extra for a movie sometimes. Looks like I'll be pirating this one, thanks WB! "

"After the c**p the WB's pulled on The Dark Knight, Watchmen, Orphan and now Terminator, I've decided they will not be getting any money out of me for a while. "

"I will eventually get this...maybe. I, too am a blu ray owner and it's not fair for those who can't dish out the cash for a BR player to not be able to get the same enjoyable experiences as those with BR players. They should have at least put the DC on standard. "

"Wow, they're really screwing DVD costumers this time. Good thing I'm planning on going Blu soon. Big fan of the Terminator series, and this was no exception (despite some major problems) Where's the cover art? "

"forcing people to buy blu ray.i have a blu player but that's beside the point,i don't like this new idea of only having extras etc on the blu ray only.having said that it was a pretty poor film so i'm not sure i would buy it on either format. "

"I had heard that they were going to release a Director's cut of the film, but reading the above, it looks as if it is exclusively on Blu ray!!! Are they serious????????? "

"Nice work, Warner. Keep slighting the DVD owners and watch the sales go further downhill. And this is coming from a blu-ray owner. "

"Should have known that the DVD release would be basically bare-bones. I can't even recall the last Warner Bros. new release that I've bought on DVD, it's been that long. Plus the shoddy treatment for the standard DVD release has really turned me off to buying any new releases from WB."

"The fact that they are not offering the director's cut for the DVD release is pretty much guaranteeing many to pirate the Blu-ray version... not cool at all. Not everyone can afford an HDTV and Blu-ray player. "


the bluray owners on that forum seem to be a bit more sympathetic for dvd
buyers than on this forum :)
they all seem to agree its a shitty policy by warner. they release should
inferior editions and then whine again about all the bad pirates!
no wonder people would rather download than to spend 20 of their hard earned dollars on effortless releases.
and may i remind the bluray fans that warner was already putting out many shitty dvd editions long long before bluray introduction :)

then again, seing that the directors cut is only 3 minutes longer than the theatrical, it won`t mak emuch difference anyhow.
mcg stated that the dc would be 30-40 minutes longer. i guess entourage
proves that there are really many lying pieces of shit ruling hollywood :)

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If people are so desperate for these bonus features, or to see some boobies aka "the director's cut" (which turns out is only 3 minutes longer than the theatrical version), why don't you just get a BD player? I'm not saying everyone can afford one in this economy, but you all do realize you can use them on a standard definition TV set, right? It is just like a Xbox 360 or PS3, how many of those across the country do you want to bet are not really being used to their full potential and are only hooked up to a SD TV, hmmm? Sure, you will not get the biggest benefit of BD (the HD visuals), but adequate players are now only like $100-150, not exactly an earth-shattering amount of cash....make the switch today, see all the special features you feel like you miss out on, and then in the future you will already have some discs to see in full HD resolution once you do buy that HDTV, which everyone will eventually get anyway, as very soon that will be all that are sold....

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I wasn't really complaining, I was just saying that $1000 seems like a grossly inflated number. Most BDs can be had for about $20 when you count sales and whatnot. $200 + $20 x 20 = $600.

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I'm not even going to read that rambling mess.

ALL studios are making it a point to pump up the Blu-ray with features. Warner has done it with many titles (to an extreme) while other studios are moving content over to the Blu-ray to make it seem more 'packed'. That includes Sony, Disney, Universal, Paramount, Lionsgate etc. Get use to it if you refuse to buy a BD player.

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Because I still *gasp* buy DVDs. But its tough to ignore threads like these for the same handful of people who go off in extreme rants about how studios are screwing them bla bla bla. I'm guilty of slowing down when I see an accident on the side of the road as well.

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I know you didn't say the first quote, but it is ridiculous. Even when Blu-Ray was brand new, I have never paid "$20 extra" for any title. Anyone paying more than $10 extra for the rare Blu-Ray title doesn't know how or where to shop for BDs. I occasionally follow Fry's sales and the other discount here and there, and the average Blu-Ray cost for me is about $11.

And I think you have your information wrong on the last part. McG stated in a Collider interview that there was 30-40m of deleted scenes, but he never stated that all of them or even a majority of them would go back into the movie. He DID say they would be on the DVD.

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Can't wait until Harry Potter specs hit. Mass suicides are expected for DVD owners. Shouldn't be too long until it gets detailed ;)

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Looks like there will be THREE releases of this film:

The SD DVD WILL have the DC's cut (3 extra minutes):

http://www.dvdtown.com/news/the-end-...1/7008#related

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Look, I'm happy for you guys who have made the Blu switch. I'll freely admit that I'm envious as hell of you guys, but still happy for you. If this was the dying days of DVD, I'd even be completely on your side in this argument. The fact is, though, that DVD is still a stronger format in terms of sales than Bluray and Warner is missing out on a large chunk of cash. I own that format and am voicing my displeasure with this business decision they made.

Also, for the record, I could care less about seeing Moon Bloodgood's goodies. I thought this movie was better than it was given credit for and I'm really curious to see the behind the scenes features. The fact that WB (or any other distributor for that matter), feels the need to tell me they don't want my filthy SD money IS a slap in the face. I'm not going on any boycott or any other silliness, but I won't be buying this release.

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thats because you are behaving just as arrogant as warner :)

ok, since you opened your mouth so wide about future releases, which
have better bluray versions, i was actually hoping you would name some releases and dates :)

anyhow, i don`t think anyone minds the fact that bluray has more extras
and better content. perfectly acceptable!!
however, other summer blockbuster "dvd" examples:

wolverine 2disc version
star trek 2disc version
proposal deluxe edition
transformers revenge of the fallen 2disc
angels and demons 2disc including the extended cut

just some examples of studios, which put more and better extras on the bluray counterparts, but still manage to release decent editions for their
dvd clientelle!!

warner summer blockbuster example;
terminator salvation, barebones single disc dvd, no extras, no directors cut, no nothing!

point i am trying to make: bluray editions will be better and should be better, but bottom line, warner is just a shit studio, with shit dvd releases :)

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Well said. :up:

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Phew! If that's true...PHEW! Would hate to think DVD buyers couldn't see boobies in SD.

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lucky for me i don`t like gay magicians :)

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totally agree! i am glad there are many bluray buyers who still feel that
this is not a good release policy.

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When you don't capitalize things or use proper punctuation its tough to read. I'll forgive some (because I'm not perfect either) but you and Chris could literally be the same person.

And names and dates won't be revealed, sorry.

But just so you know, and I'd hate to spoil this for you, two other studios will be doing exactly what Warner is doing in late 09 early 10. They find success with it as rental outlets won't have the 'leg up' on them (or Redbox). It also deters used sales as Blockbuster drops prices really fast.

Can you guess which two studios?

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A basic BD player is $100. Sell some of your 5000 DVDs and go buy one. I know the economy sucks right now, but damn, if you just went through all your movies that start with 'K' i'm sure you can sell enough to grab a BD player.

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i would be happy if that was true, but dvdactive already posted a trade ad with cover pictures and there was just a widescreen theatrical dvd edition.
although the bluray has also been listed as 2 and 3 disc version by different sites, so i guess we have to wait for final confirmation!
maybe warner wanted to test customer reaction that way :)
as some time remains until december, i haven`t lost complete hope that warner comes to their senses until then :)
like i mentioned before, they were able to do so with the friday the 13th
extended cut as well. i think from a financial standpoint they would lose
money if they just released the directors cut on dvd.
then again i am already much more relaxed :) doubt three minutes will
make a hell of a difference :)
when i first read the dvd announcement there was talk of a 135 minute dc, so 20 minutes would have probably changed more.
anyhow, thanks for the dvdtown link! keeping my fingers crossed, but pictures usually speak more than words :)

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if you were a girl i would call that cock teasing :)
making me all interested and then not disclosing any info :)

can`t guess those studios. fox maybe?
i can`t guess the future of what will happen in 2010 either,
but so far i can only complain about warner. other studios
are still releasing good dvd versions and still making extra
money on 2disc versions.

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2 Disc (premium) DVDs typically only make 10-15% of the revenue of a 1 Discer. So the masses really don't care about Special Features that much.

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i just checked out the dvdtown link again and really don`t see where they are getting the standard dvd directors cut info from? maybe they
just misinterpreted some infos?

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Seriously? Buy a crappy Bluray player now? What are you guys on? This isn't the same point in the format lifecycle where $100 would get me a solid player like it does with DVD right now. It's more like me going out and buying a Cyberhome POS for $30 that will last 3 months if I'm lucky. That sales approach might work on Joe Dumbass shopping at WalMart, and you obviously must think that those of us who haven't converted are about as smart. I gave you guys more credit than that. I thought everyone was here because of our love of movies, not trying to con people into a format at any cost. Thanks for correcting that misconception for me.

When I go completely HD, I'll be more than happy to pay for the quality I want, and by then it will be more affordable.

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$100 will get you a Magnavox or Insignia - both of which are (surprisingly) decent performers. Double your price and you can get a Samsung, Sony, Panasonic, LG etc. Hell, if you are a smart shopper you could have gotten a Pioneer for $100ish a few weeks ago at Best Buy. Amazon even cleared out some high-line Panasonic players for $145 a few days ago. But $200 is apparently too high for some of you guys who own over 5000 movies.

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philip74 & chris_sc77, I used to think exactly like you guys but c'mon let's face it Blu-Ray is taking over & this exclusive stuff won't stop. You might as well join in....

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"We accept her! We accept her! One of us! One of us! Gooble gobble, gooble gobble! One of us! One of us!"

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Just send yur concerns to WB., let them know how you feel about the subject, I did!

[email protected]

:D

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/\ Be sure to post any reponses you may recieve from WB. I'd be shocked to see any at all.

As an SD buyer myself, I have no concern when titles have better features on the BluRay side. Why not reward those who've adopted to the new technology? It's not as if they are completely neglecting the SD market. They are still releasing the films intact. Should a studio start releasing to BluRay only, or even only offering SD a fullscreen only edition, I could see getting angry. But special features?

Many people are too fast to start kicking sand without seeing the price point in the weeks after it's street date, leading up to X-Mas. I wouldn't be shocked if it hit $10 before the end of December, following the same model as Gran Torino, He's Just Not That Into You, and Watchmen. The noise from a small group over the lack of special features won't be nearly as significant as the masses who will snatch up the title at a cheap price point, oblivious to any special features at all.

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The PS3 Slim also just arrived. Some of you might enjoy the games, making it seem like a better purchase.

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How can i set my think to ignore GizmoDVD posts. I am getting disgusted looking at his avatar pic. and wasting too much of my time getting angry over his attitude concerning DVD.

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I changed my avatar for you.

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Is it supposed to be Ironic?
I dont find it amusing in any case.

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Thanks for that e-mail address. Here is what I sent:

"I would like to express my regret over Warner Bros. treatment of their DVD customers and the preferential treatment that WB have so casually given to Blu-ray purchasers. Why would a studio consistently punish fans who buy their DVD? Are we not good enough?
I have been a supporter of many of Warner Bros products for over a decade now and I regret to inform whom it may concern that I can no longer no so in good conscious. Title after title from your studio I have seen released and I have met the releases with great disappointment. The recent announcement of Terminator: Salvation and the exclusive Blu-ray features was enough to sway me to my decision.
DVD still far outsells Blu-ray and I will sadly not be able to purchase any further WB titles until I am treated with the same respect and features that Blu-ray buyers receive."

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his smug attitude annoys me too.


now I need to go find a new forum, since this obviously isn't DVD talk anymore.