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I'll rent it and wait until I can buy it for cheap. I understand why DVD is getting screwed over and I understand why Blu-Ray versions have more extras (especially of the type that can't be produced on DVD) but making the director's cut BR exclusive is pretty crappy.

At least it's with a movie where the only thing substantial removed was Moon Bloodgood's goodies.

Re: terminator salvation 12/1
 

Those same people have moved onto Blu-ray.

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weak move... and these companies wonder why people use the $1 redbox or download the films.

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BD will go up asDVD owners adopt BD. It's not a shocking new development and if you even look at the figure you will see how little Blu-ray actually makes. They hide behind those %s.

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Really, what percentage of people who use Redbox, do so because sometimes Blu rays get extra features?

Not sure what the big deal is. BDs cost more than DVDs, so the fact they sometimes contain extra features makes sense. If you are interested in the extra stuff, then spend more to get it. To say you want the cheap version, but also demand all the features as the most expensive version, is a little naive.

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They do because there is no incentive to buy a movie at full price. The release prices are already overpriced, but if there is some incentive to buy it then I don't mind it as much cause I like collecting movies but when they pull a move like this I wont buy into it. I'll see this movie again and also own a blu-ray player down the road if it sticks around, but when the studios do stuff like this then I'll pass on the full price new release cause there are other options to enjoy the movie and those are the ones the studios are constantly complaining are hurting them. IMO they hurt themselves.

Re: terminator salvation 12/1
 

If you are buying the Blu-Ray, visit this thread....

http://forum.dvdtalk.com/hd-talk/561...n-dec-1st.html

and join in on the other elitists who are laughing at everyone in this thread. Mwahahaha! I personally dont see what the fuck is so funny.

otherwise, I don't see why DVD owners are not entitled to bitch about this stupid practice. I had no intentions of picking this up anyways, but it has happened to films I do like, so it DOES fucking piss me off, especially since we are talking a completely different cut of the film that DVD owners are going to completely miss out on.

Fuck you WB.

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^Exactly. Now for example I will not be purchasing it at all.
Also I will show my frustration by telling others not to support certain WB titles and at best only Netflixing them if they must.
Also when I go see Invictus and/or Sherlock Holmes in theaters I will be paying to see The ROad or Nine in stead.

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Instead of wasting our time in this thread does anyone know Of a way to send nasty e-mails to WB. I would just like to know why they must do this from them and feel we who spend $ on their products are treated unfairly.
Is there an e-mail account for them to address this issue?

Re: terminator salvation 12/1
 

Mostly you come off like someone bitching about movies not coming out on VHS anymore. It is just the way things are. Some movies only come out on DVD, but you don't see mass panic from those who prefer blu ray.

If you choose not to go with blu ray, then you can't bitch when stuff comes out only on blu ray. Or you can get a BD player and then not worry about this stuff anymore. Life is too short to worry about little stuff like this.

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Really? All of them?

Beacause out of every 50 people I know who own DVD players, i'd say one has gone Blu.

Blu-Ray is a great format, and I will make the change once they get some better catalogue titles out, and the prices drop a weee bit, but honestly, and this may sound a bit immature, practices like this really make me hesitant about adopting a new format. Studios should start taking their customers a little more seriously. I dont want to go out a spend $1000 bucks to a studio, who for the past two years, has been giving me the shaft.

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Huh?


I really don't like the VHS comparison. I happily switched formats then. This is not the same thing at all.


And yeah, that's the way things are, but it's not the way it should be. It's not like i'm demanding for the film to be split over 7 DVDs so they can stick 1080p video and a lossless audio track on there. These are extra features, and shit related to the actual content of a film. It makes me just as pissed off when they dont port over extras from the DVD to the Blu.

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Once you understand how business works maybe you will understand why WB and all the other studios are doing this. It will only get worst, I can guarantee you that. I have specs and dates for several other titles that will be announced shortly that will make your blood vessels boil.

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Not counting your circle of friends many people who adopted DVD because of superior picture, audio and the introduction (to many) of special features have moved on to Blu-ray. It's just the natural course for someone who wants to own movies with the best of everything.

And Blu-ray players are very cheap now, so that excuse is pretty BS. You can grab a rockin' Panasonic or Sony for $200 or less and if you don't care about BD-Live there are some fantastic 1.1 players at $150 or less.

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What exactly is going to cost you $1000? Not the BD player or the discs, certainly, and buying a new 1080p TV really has nothing to do with Warner. It seems almost inevitable that sometime within the next ten years, you would buy a new TV.I could have sworn you claimed you sent emails about all the other Warner exclusives you were angry about, or you stated your intention to. Did you end up getting lazy?This is true. WB's goal is likely not to shaft the consumer, just to focus DVD at Joe Six Pack/Wal-Mart Customer, who rarely buys DVDs for the special features. I admit, there's no reason the DVD shouldn't have both cuts, but aside from that, the lack of special features is unfortunate but unsurprising.Arnold is in the movie, sorta.This is true. Despite chris's complaint, Maximum Movie Mode is both a) a video commentary and b) one that may not be possible to replicate on DVD (I presume the BD version will be PiP, any DVD version would have to be a "Follow the White Rabbit"-style click-feature).I would be shocked if even one other person adopts this strategy, and it is even less likely that it will work. Even if you had a big enough crowd doing this to make a statement, it doesn't make logical sense; WB wouldn't have any idea how to react to such a stunt.

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The original DVD Active link has the trade advertisement on it now. The Director's cut is 118 min and the Theatrical cut is 115 min. It says the single disc just has no extras mentioned.

http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releas...alvation2.html

Re: terminator salvation 12/1
 

Its official: Warners makes the worst dvds.

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+1. Exactly. The thing is their TV on DVD and Achieve devisions are usually pretty decent but its their New Release department is very very prejudiced and I smell conspiracy brewing involving payoffs for all of this Blu-ray exclusive shenanigans.
I remember that when they were the ones who basically ended HD-DVD there was brouhaha about them excepting a large payment from Sony to go Blu. Everything they have done since has only reinforced my opinion that this is the case.

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Please tell me you're joking about the conspiracy theory.

What about the big payoffs for putting out a crappy looking blu-ray? Is there some secret vhs organization that wants a super big payoff before they let some of their stuff finally become available on dvd? Did someone have to pay billions of dollars in dark allies before Howard the Duck was approved to be released on DVD ;)

They're just doing things to get people to adopt the new format. Things like that always happen when companies start moving to a newer technology. The old stuff doesn't get all the updates that the newer thing does which happens more and more over time.

It's like the same argument I heard from hillbillies at wal-mart refusing to upgrade to dvd because of the black bars and vhs was good enough.

People talking about boycotting them over this issue have way to much time on their hands. Let's imagine for a moment where the people talking about boycotting actually cause some sales figures to change for this movie. The only thing that'll show is a reduced amount of DVD sales compared to Blu-ray sales which is the direction WB is heading for.

And really, would anyone be surprised if they did the director's cut later on for DVD, or any other type of double dipping?

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Who cares if you don't get the DC anyway, it's just 3 extra minutes of footage that can't come anywhere close to salvaging this wreck of a movie.

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Actually, if you're talking about features that require you to buy a new tv as well as a player in order to get the features that could easily have been included on the DVD release, it has plenty to do with Warner. I also understand that you are making the point that I should have had to buy a new TV since I got my first player, but that's a hypothetical in a vacumn.

Since I got my first dvd player 10 years ago, I got married and have purchased two homes. My priorities have changed since that glorious purchase. I think it's fair to say that there are plenty of people in my same situation. I'd absolutely LOVE to get a 50" Panny plasma or a 73" Mitsubishi, but it just isn't happening right now. I'm still watching dvd's on my 27" SDTV hooked up to my 6.1 surround sound. It does ok for now. Yes, I'll get a new tv and Bluray player some day, but this movie isn't releasing someday. Also, it was perfectly feasible for you to use your current setup to enjoy dvd. It isn't that way with Bluray.

I'm not looking for any sympathy at all. My priorities just aren't in getting the best right now because of the investment involved. There are plenty of people in the same boat. We love movies just as much as the people who have made the Blu jump. Those of us still on DVD have just as much of a right to complain about a dick move like this as the Bluray owners who complain about features not being transferred to Blu releases. I'm fine with not getting commentaries that aren't DVD compatible because Bluray does have capabilities that DVD doesn't. When it's something like this, though, do you actually expect DVD owners just shut up and take it?

Yes, I know what I'm missing out on in terms of A/V quality, but there's just no reason to pull a move like this. If there are special features that can only be on Bluray because of the features of the format, let THAT be the driving force to get people to convert. Pulling crap like this just alienates those of us who are perfectly willing to spend our money on the movie and pushes us toward spending that disposable income on something else. It also generates some pretty bad will among us as well.

Re: terminator salvation 12/1
 

yeah and what other titles are those?
ALL other studios? what other studios are doing that?

my examples from before like star trek, transformers are all getting 2disc
treatment for those still interested! only warner is screwing their customers big time. then again they have a history of being completely ignorant and not even answering customer emails, ever.

and please don`t put down other users by telling them how business works!
business mostly works if the customer service is right and not by companies
completely ignoring customer demands and pushing their own agenda.
all those bluray growth numbers being dropped are great, but the mass turnover is still generated by dvds. also, 2disc editions sell for 22,99 so i don`t think thats much cheaper than bluray. with smaller numbers, the bluray production overhead costs are probably much higher, so i doubt that pushing bluray down our throats makes them so much more profit.
if they released a nice 2disc edition with the directors cut and a slipsleeve, thats something i would
spend 22,99 on release day. for a shit barebones edition, which they feel is sufficient for the
dumb stone age dvd buyers, i will spend 5 dollars when its in some trash bin.
so even if i am the only one doing this, warner has already lost 17,99 dollars, rather than to increase
their profits through great bluray marketing strategies :)
and i think we are currently seing enough examples of where dumb corporate greed leads during this economy....

blurays main selling argument should be the full hd resolution for the people who want it. if they can only sell it by such forcefull measures, than the format is as doomed as toshibas hd format :)
well, doomed probably not, but pretty sad that the only selling argument
is some extra features, rather than the superb quality :)

we are not having a debate bluray over dvd, it is just a debate that warner
is using bull shit measures. for the friday the 13th remake they were able
to put the extended killer cut out on dvd. would it hurt them so much to do the same here?
how many friday 13th dvds do you think they sold compared to the bluray
numbers? i think if warner execs so that, they would reconsider their policies.
do you think that the upset customers will now switch to bluray, because they want the directors cut of a mediocre terminator movie!?
if i switch it will be when prices drop, disc loading times decrease, etc., but
definitely not because warner thinks i should :)
i think this move will backfire on them, because it will piss more people
off, rather than fascinating them for the new format.

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this was a random number I came up with. I figure a nice blu ray player will be around $200, and there are at least 20 titles i'm interested in picking up, not exact, but it simply isn't buy the player and be done with it. Most of the titles I want, I already own on DVD, i'd just be "upgrading".


I'm really tired of having this discussion in the DVDtalk forum though. I know the advantages of blu-ray, I want blu-ray, but I can't afford to upgrade right now. Plain and simple.

If I want to bitch about a studio releasing an inferior DVD, on a DVD forum, like I have been doing for 8 years, well then i'm going to do it.


Oh, and GizmoDVD, why do you even bother to post in this thread? You obviously have ZERO interest in this product on DVD, and if you came here just to support the studio's practice, well then that's just lame.

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judging from his remarks in the hd thread, i think he feels superior to us dumb
dvd buyers.
anyhow, looking at the dvdactive forum i think many people are pissed at warner, just to quote a few:


"Bare bones DVD? I can't afford a BR player, as some mentioned. They are coming down in price, but not nearly enough for me to WANT one and pay almost $20 extra for a movie sometimes. Looks like I'll be pirating this one, thanks WB! "

"After the c**p the WB's pulled on The Dark Knight, Watchmen, Orphan and now Terminator, I've decided they will not be getting any money out of me for a while. "

"I will eventually get this...maybe. I, too am a blu ray owner and it's not fair for those who can't dish out the cash for a BR player to not be able to get the same enjoyable experiences as those with BR players. They should have at least put the DC on standard. "

"Wow, they're really screwing DVD costumers this time. Good thing I'm planning on going Blu soon. Big fan of the Terminator series, and this was no exception (despite some major problems) Where's the cover art? "

"forcing people to buy blu ray.i have a blu player but that's beside the point,i don't like this new idea of only having extras etc on the blu ray only.having said that it was a pretty poor film so i'm not sure i would buy it on either format. "

"I had heard that they were going to release a Director's cut of the film, but reading the above, it looks as if it is exclusively on Blu ray!!! Are they serious????????? "

"Nice work, Warner. Keep slighting the DVD owners and watch the sales go further downhill. And this is coming from a blu-ray owner. "

"Should have known that the DVD release would be basically bare-bones. I can't even recall the last Warner Bros. new release that I've bought on DVD, it's been that long. Plus the shoddy treatment for the standard DVD release has really turned me off to buying any new releases from WB."

"The fact that they are not offering the director's cut for the DVD release is pretty much guaranteeing many to pirate the Blu-ray version... not cool at all. Not everyone can afford an HDTV and Blu-ray player. "


the bluray owners on that forum seem to be a bit more sympathetic for dvd
buyers than on this forum :)
they all seem to agree its a shitty policy by warner. they release should
inferior editions and then whine again about all the bad pirates!
no wonder people would rather download than to spend 20 of their hard earned dollars on effortless releases.
and may i remind the bluray fans that warner was already putting out many shitty dvd editions long long before bluray introduction :)

then again, seing that the directors cut is only 3 minutes longer than the theatrical, it won`t mak emuch difference anyhow.
mcg stated that the dc would be 30-40 minutes longer. i guess entourage
proves that there are really many lying pieces of shit ruling hollywood :)

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If people are so desperate for these bonus features, or to see some boobies aka "the director's cut" (which turns out is only 3 minutes longer than the theatrical version), why don't you just get a BD player? I'm not saying everyone can afford one in this economy, but you all do realize you can use them on a standard definition TV set, right? It is just like a Xbox 360 or PS3, how many of those across the country do you want to bet are not really being used to their full potential and are only hooked up to a SD TV, hmmm? Sure, you will not get the biggest benefit of BD (the HD visuals), but adequate players are now only like $100-150, not exactly an earth-shattering amount of cash....make the switch today, see all the special features you feel like you miss out on, and then in the future you will already have some discs to see in full HD resolution once you do buy that HDTV, which everyone will eventually get anyway, as very soon that will be all that are sold....