Question about Original Star Trek DVD sets
03-17-08 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by bloopbleep
believe I understand and love the original show but stuff we enjoyed even 10 years ago just won`t fly with todays generation. example I was watching 1933 classic King Kong with my 9 year old son, he made fun of it , called it play dough kong,I tried to watch Godzilla movies from the 60`s and he asked how I could watch man in rubber dinosaur suit step on train models(boring).
when I was nine the stuff looked good but its considered corny and boring nowadays. same thing with the adventures of superman or old Tom Baker Doctor Who`s. I love the shows but to someone younger it`s just dull. when young people see Shatner fight the Gorn it`s just laughable nowadays.
when I was nine the stuff looked good but its considered corny and boring nowadays. same thing with the adventures of superman or old Tom Baker Doctor Who`s. I love the shows but to someone younger it`s just dull. when young people see Shatner fight the Gorn it`s just laughable nowadays.
03-17-08 | 01:31 PM
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Shannon Nutt did answer the question: the first season HD release was on combo discs. If you want to get the updated FX on standard DVD, you have to spend the money to get the HD set.
Nothing about the rest of the series or a re-release of the first, either on Blu-Ray or standard, has been rumored.
Nothing about the rest of the series or a re-release of the first, either on Blu-Ray or standard, has been rumored.
03-17-08 | 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by bloopbleep
yeah but Star Trek the motion picture came out in 1979,2 years after Star Wars and he called that boring and cheesy.
03-17-08 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by brisco32
My daughter at 8 didn't have the slightest problem with King Kong or Star Trek. She did find Doctor Who cheesy but enjoyed it anyway.
03-17-08 | 04:36 PM
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I was skeptical when these were announced, but I rented one of the HD discs from Netflix to check it out.
In my opinion, I was right. I don't think they did a very good job in general, and it ruins the classic feel of the show. For example what they did to the way planets look, whereas the old versions had lots of character, now they look generic (sorry don't recall which episode specifically).
I'm not trying to insult anyone who likes what they did, just my opinion.
In my opinion, I was right. I don't think they did a very good job in general, and it ruins the classic feel of the show. For example what they did to the way planets look, whereas the old versions had lots of character, now they look generic (sorry don't recall which episode specifically).
I'm not trying to insult anyone who likes what they did, just my opinion.
03-17-08 | 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by porieux
In my opinion, I was right. I don't think they did a very good job in general, and it ruins the classic feel of the show. For example what they did to the way planets look, whereas the old versions had lots of character, now they look generic
03-17-08 | 07:02 PM
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I disagree, the old ones had character. Now it just looks like a picture of Earth. At least, in the episode I am thinking of. Have not seen all of them, and most likely won't. Glad for you if you like 'em.
03-17-08 | 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by indy81
They can talk all they want about making the old effects more palatable for contemporary audiences, but the main reason they had to update the effects was because many of the old effects were unwatchable in hi-def. In other words, it seems unlikely that the original versions will ever be available in HD.
I guess any old sci-fi movie that predates Trek, will never be released on HD, unless they do CG enhancements.
03-17-08 | 08:42 PM
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I'm going to agree with the statements made about how hollywood catering to nine year olds is exactly what's ruining a lot of todays entertainment. Kids are absolutely spoiled, I'm only twenty five but I can feel that old 'darn young whippersnapper' comments inside of me just itching to come out.
I have a younger brother in law who is eight, and he actually really like the old Godzilla films. In fact, he's really partial to the extremely childish and corny 'Destroy All Monsters'. I don't know if he's ever even seen the old black and white Kong before though. So I don't know how true this is to most youngsters, scoffing at all the old effects. But let's be honest here...
... I was born in 1982 and when I was a kid, the old Godzilla films and the old Kong were cool. I like stuff like Clash Of The Titans and all those kinds of movies Ray did. They sure looked corny but big deal. They were all pretty entertaining movies! And growing up, that appreciation never faded, it just ended up being appreciated in even more ways. To watch something and feel the era it came from, it really all helps with the flow of a film. You can make a whole movie out of claymation, but as long as that world is created in one form... taking it and changing sections of it into CGI just for the sake of making a few scenes look better, takes you away from the 'reality' that piece of entertainment is placing you in.
I'm just this year getting into the Star Trek series. I bought the original series and the next generation in full, and I love the charm of the old classic, I can't imagine watching it with redone effects and a better looking ship. Would completely take me out of the show. For crying out loud, one episode has a faded in green colored hand reaching towards the ship, how un-tech-ish can that be? It's all part of the fun though! Through a CGI ship in with that? No thanks.
I have a younger brother in law who is eight, and he actually really like the old Godzilla films. In fact, he's really partial to the extremely childish and corny 'Destroy All Monsters'. I don't know if he's ever even seen the old black and white Kong before though. So I don't know how true this is to most youngsters, scoffing at all the old effects. But let's be honest here...
... I was born in 1982 and when I was a kid, the old Godzilla films and the old Kong were cool. I like stuff like Clash Of The Titans and all those kinds of movies Ray did. They sure looked corny but big deal. They were all pretty entertaining movies! And growing up, that appreciation never faded, it just ended up being appreciated in even more ways. To watch something and feel the era it came from, it really all helps with the flow of a film. You can make a whole movie out of claymation, but as long as that world is created in one form... taking it and changing sections of it into CGI just for the sake of making a few scenes look better, takes you away from the 'reality' that piece of entertainment is placing you in.
I'm just this year getting into the Star Trek series. I bought the original series and the next generation in full, and I love the charm of the old classic, I can't imagine watching it with redone effects and a better looking ship. Would completely take me out of the show. For crying out loud, one episode has a faded in green colored hand reaching towards the ship, how un-tech-ish can that be? It's all part of the fun though! Through a CGI ship in with that? No thanks.
03-18-08 | 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by porieux
I disagree, the old ones had character. Now it just looks like a picture of Earth. At least, in the episode I am thinking of.
The other planets in the "Remastered" episodes don't look at all like Earth.
03-18-08 | 08:27 PM
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Not as horrible as I would have thought, but it would still be enough to really jar me out of the experience that the 'cheap' looking universe has already created for me throughout the episode and series. How about the episode where Kirk has to battle the captain of another ship which is some guy in a lizard suit? Why not CGI him?
03-18-08 | 08:37 PM
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I don't think it was Miri I can't quite remember which episode it was. I would look in my Netflix history except I canceled my account there.
Anyway, doesn't matter. I don't like what they did and some other people do. It's just a matter of opinion.
Anyway, doesn't matter. I don't like what they did and some other people do. It's just a matter of opinion.
03-19-08 | 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by mzupeman2
How about the episode where Kirk has to battle the captain of another ship which is some guy in a lizard suit? Why not CGI him?
The full extent of the CGI on the Gorn in the enhanced version? Blinking eyes.
03-19-08 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Chew
Because completely replacing the Gorn would be Lucas-level changes and that's not what they're going for.
The full extent of the CGI on the Gorn in the enhanced version? Blinking eyes.
The full extent of the CGI on the Gorn in the enhanced version? Blinking eyes.
Really? That's weird. That would seem like its really out of place. How does it look?
03-20-08 | 03:44 PM
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I think what people need to keep in mind is that the original versions of these episodes are still available on DVD, already in quality surpassing their 1960s TV broadcasts. This isn't like Star Wars, where George Lucas attempted to suppress the original versions. Both are out there for people to enjoy.
03-22-08 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Josh Z
I think what people need to keep in mind is that the original versions of these episodes are still available on DVD, already in quality surpassing their 1960s TV broadcasts. This isn't like Star Wars, where George Lucas attempted to suppress the original versions. Both are out there for people to enjoy.
03-22-08 | 12:43 PM
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As a long time ST fan who watched the original series when it originally aired (I was in junior high), I have to say that, in general, I don't have a problem with what has been done. Clearly, a few effects have gone beyond mere improvement, but in no way have any of the enhancements detracted from the overall feel of the show. The CGI Enterprise and other space craft fit and do not look "over detailed" like so much space oriented CGI effects do today. If I have one complaint, it's that they followed some of the old effects too closely. Particularly in the title sequence. Shots of the Enterprise skewing sideways thru space at high warp have always looked poorly executed and doing that in CGI didn't improve them any.
IMHO.
IMHO.
03-22-08 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by bloopbleep
yeah but Star Trek the motion picture came out in 1979,2 years after Star Wars and he called that boring and cheesy.
I don't get the love the new Trek FX get -- they look just as fake to me as the models.
03-23-08 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Sean O'Hara
Well, it is boring. And if he saw it any time recently, it'd be the director's cut with all new computer effects.
I don't get the love the new Trek FX get -- they look just as fake to me as the models.
I don't get the love the new Trek FX get -- they look just as fake to me as the models.
My wife and I watched The Menagerie the other night, with the original FX, and the story was great as always, but the exterior ship shots had so much grain from the optic printing, it still took me out of the story a bit.
I think the changes in the episodes I've seen have all been very tasteful, and always trying to keep with the ideals of the show as originally done.
03-24-08 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Lucas McCain
So nobody has answered my question....will they be releasing the updated effects version in normal DVD anytime soon? Anyone know?
Recently the original '60s Star Trek episodes have been getting remastered into high-definition elements, and along the way they are carefully (and, for the most part, respectfully) re-doing the special effects with modern techniques. Fans have been looking for these episodes to get released on a hi-def home video format, and last November the remastered first season came out as an HD DVD and DVD hybrid (hi-def on one side, standard DVD on the other). Plans were soon made public that the remaining two seasons were being planned.
However, a month ago we reported that CBS/Paramount had canceled their plans for a summer release of Star Trek - Season 2 (Remastered) as a hybrid HD DVD and DVD set. Why? Obviously it was due to Toshiba's dropping of the HD DVD format, after the majority of studios pledged their support to the rival Blu-ray Disc format. Paramount quickly let it be known that they would make the switch to Blu-ray as well, a format they previously had supported, but no word has come down yet about when we'll see the first new BDs from Paramount.
That let to many questions from Trek fans, naturally. Will the first season's hi-def version get re-released in Blu-ray Disc format? If so, when? Since HD DVD supported the "hybrid" HD DVD & DVD concept, and Blu-ray doesn't, what will happen with standard DVD support? How long will the wait be to get Season 2 (Remastered) on any format?
We've got the answer to the last couple of questions for you right now! In an early alert to retailers, Paramount Home Entertainment has told them to expect Star Trek - Season 2 (Remastered)on DVD only, with a street date of August 5th.
You'll get 26 hour-long episodes starting with the famous Kirk/Spock fight in "Amok Time," where we meet Chekov for the first time. Other fan-favorite episodes this season include Mirror, Mirror; The Doomsday Machine; I, Mudd, Metamorphosis; Journey to Babel; Wolf in The Fold; The Trouble With Tribbles; A Piece of the Action; By Any Other Name; The Ultimate Computer and Assignment: Earth. Guest stars include David Soul, Jane Wyatt and Mark Lenard, Julie Newmar, Tige Andrews, Vic Tayback, Diana Muldur, Robert Lansing and Teri Garr.
Looking for this in hi-def? Sorry; there was no word sent to retailers about a Blu-ray Disc version of this release. No other details were made available yet, either, so we can't talk yet about extras, pricing or packaging. It's probably safe to assume that the studio decided to take the "DVD side" of the masters for the hi-def hybrid release, and put these out as a standard DVD release.
My personal expectation is that we'll see all three seasons on Blu-ray Disc in the future, but we need to give the studio some time to get ramped back up on their BD format releases in general, and put together Trek product fans will be pleased with. So stay tuned, and surely we'll see word on that at some point! For now, we're taking sensor readings to find further details about the DVD release of the remastered second season; we'll update you when we find out more.
However, a month ago we reported that CBS/Paramount had canceled their plans for a summer release of Star Trek - Season 2 (Remastered) as a hybrid HD DVD and DVD set. Why? Obviously it was due to Toshiba's dropping of the HD DVD format, after the majority of studios pledged their support to the rival Blu-ray Disc format. Paramount quickly let it be known that they would make the switch to Blu-ray as well, a format they previously had supported, but no word has come down yet about when we'll see the first new BDs from Paramount.
That let to many questions from Trek fans, naturally. Will the first season's hi-def version get re-released in Blu-ray Disc format? If so, when? Since HD DVD supported the "hybrid" HD DVD & DVD concept, and Blu-ray doesn't, what will happen with standard DVD support? How long will the wait be to get Season 2 (Remastered) on any format?
We've got the answer to the last couple of questions for you right now! In an early alert to retailers, Paramount Home Entertainment has told them to expect Star Trek - Season 2 (Remastered)on DVD only, with a street date of August 5th.
You'll get 26 hour-long episodes starting with the famous Kirk/Spock fight in "Amok Time," where we meet Chekov for the first time. Other fan-favorite episodes this season include Mirror, Mirror; The Doomsday Machine; I, Mudd, Metamorphosis; Journey to Babel; Wolf in The Fold; The Trouble With Tribbles; A Piece of the Action; By Any Other Name; The Ultimate Computer and Assignment: Earth. Guest stars include David Soul, Jane Wyatt and Mark Lenard, Julie Newmar, Tige Andrews, Vic Tayback, Diana Muldur, Robert Lansing and Teri Garr.
Looking for this in hi-def? Sorry; there was no word sent to retailers about a Blu-ray Disc version of this release. No other details were made available yet, either, so we can't talk yet about extras, pricing or packaging. It's probably safe to assume that the studio decided to take the "DVD side" of the masters for the hi-def hybrid release, and put these out as a standard DVD release.
My personal expectation is that we'll see all three seasons on Blu-ray Disc in the future, but we need to give the studio some time to get ramped back up on their BD format releases in general, and put together Trek product fans will be pleased with. So stay tuned, and surely we'll see word on that at some point! For now, we're taking sensor readings to find further details about the DVD release of the remastered second season; we'll update you when we find out more.