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Old 01-28-07 | 10:00 PM
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The only reason this DVD is wanted is the Criterion name. If Image had released 2000 copies of it and let it go out of print the value would be a fraction of the Criterion version.
Bingo. And with the Criterion name comes the almighty spine number that the ultra completest must have. I'd personally like to see it just for the sake of seeing it, but based on the description most give--I seriously doubt it will be finding a permanent spot in my collection.
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I have read enough reviews and seen some of the other works from the director to have no interest. I am glad thouh its coming to dvd again so those whoe have tried to sell this for hundreds of dollars get screwed, and those who paid that dough will be pissed.

With stuff like El Topo, Holy Mountain and even Monster Squad finally coming to dvd for the first time, makes me glad the VHS pirates who tried to sell thi stuff for ungodly profit are gonna suffer as well. Seriously, I aint a socialist. :0
Old 01-29-07 | 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by CinemaNut
I have read enough reviews and seen some of the other works from the director to have no interest. I am glad thouh its coming to dvd again so those whoe have tried to sell this for hundreds of dollars get screwed, and those who paid that dough will be pissed.

With stuff like El Topo, Holy Mountain and even Monster Squad finally coming to dvd for the first time, makes me glad the VHS pirates who tried to sell thi stuff for ungodly profit are gonna suffer as well. Seriously, I aint a socialist. :0
I'm with you. Makes me smile to see those inflated Amazon and eBay prices come tumbling down once an OOP title is re-released. As for the bootleggers, I agree there as well, although at least with titles that have never been released on DVD, they're actually providing something the studio hadn't bothered to, albeit at a sometimes ridiculous price. Even worse is the fact that what you get for the cash you fork over is very poorly done, and from what I've seen, bootleggers sometimes don't stop selling their wares even after an official release happens, at least while they still have stock to get rid of.

All in all, the whole price-gouging situation with regard to "you want it, but you can't get it unless you're willing to pay the price" DVDs is just ridiculous. People claim "free enterprise" every time they're criticized, but it's opportunism, plain and simple. It's exploting the free enterprise system, not helping it.
Old 01-29-07 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Geiger
Is this it?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Pig-OOP-DVD-Cult...em260076859793

If so, the value is pretty piss poor.

same movie, diffrent release. the original release is numbered to 200 i think, and still gets high marks.


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depends on what bootlegs you buy from what people. plenty of quality boots out there that could pass the pepsi challenge. disc art, covers and inserts quality printed on paper. I see copies of monster squad and howard the duck on ebay with shrink wrap and security stickers all the time. at the same time i see junky printer paper covers dvd-r junk at flea markets and comic shows.
Old 01-29-07 | 06:05 PM
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Being a member here at DVDTalk for nearly 7 years now, I can confidently say that Salo gets the highest amount of unwarranted discussion of any other film.
Old 01-29-07 | 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by caiman
Being a member here at DVDTalk for nearly 7 years now, I can confidently say that Salo gets the highest amount of unwarranted discussion of any other film.
and the highest amount of unnecessary threadcrapping.
Old 01-29-07 | 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by scarredgod
and the highest amount of unnecessary threadcrapping.
That is especially true. Mostly from people who would never have even heard of the film, let alone seen it, if it hadn't been for the whole "rarest/most expensive DVD!!" issue.
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Originally Posted by Bill Needle
I could press only 100 copies of my dog taking a dump, and it still wouldn't be worth anything...and neither should it be.
Will that be getting a Blu Ray tor HD DVD release anytime soon?
Old 01-30-07 | 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Mercury&Solace
Will that be getting a Blu Ray tor HD DVD release anytime soon?
I think you can already find some boots floating on eBay.
Old 01-30-07 | 02:58 AM
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Another very rare title is "Little Rascals DTS". Not sure about the value, though.

Anyhow, some rare titles, which are very hard to find don´t necessarily cost an arm and a leg. Guess, it all depends on the demand.
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Here's a pretty rare one. Circa summer 2000, New Line released the 2-disc Boogie Nights, which was originally slated to include a 30 minute cut of the John Holmes documentary "Exhausted." A handful of check discs (certainly less than 40) were pressed and sent out to review publications prior to street date only to see New Line forced to remove the documentary before the disc saw a final release. I know in all my dealings, this is the rarest disc I've ever personally encountered. I know there are probably other examples of check discs pressed with material that didn't make the final release, but this is one of the only examples I can think of where the discs actually made it out into the public.
Old 01-30-07 | 08:03 AM
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I have a factory-pressed DVD of the Don Hertzfeldt animated short "Rejected" that was a limited edition. I don't know how many copies were pressed, but the website warns:

"Remember, once these are sold out they will never again be reprinted, doomed to only be available for outrageous prices on E-bay from overweight collectors who speak Klingon and smell vaguely of baby powder and cheese."
Old 01-30-07 | 09:24 AM
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Wasn't there a horror movie that was released on dvd and quickly taken off the market? I don't recall the name but I thought the movie had something to do with a killer dressed as a clown. I remember looking for the dvd but never finding it....Name help?
Old 01-30-07 | 10:51 AM
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How rare is the original Duel dvd? If I remember correctly Duel was set to be released and then somebody died or something and it was pulled. It was later released, but I think a couple from the initial release leaked out. Now, I don't know if the first release is any different than the one that's currently available or if it was just shelved for awhile and then released again as is. Anybody know?
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Originally Posted by whoopdido
How rare is the original Duel dvd? If I remember correctly Duel was set to be released and then somebody died or something and it was pulled. It was later released, but I think a couple from the initial release leaked out. Now, I don't know if the first release is any different than the one that's currently available or if it was just shelved for awhile and then released again as is. Anybody know?
I believe it's identical to the one that was finally released mass-market, even down to the same UPC, so (if I'm not mistaken) now there would be no way to know.
Old 01-30-07 | 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Adams
I'm with you. Makes me smile to see those inflated Amazon and eBay prices come tumbling down once an OOP title is re-released. As for the bootleggers, I agree there as well, although at least with titles that have never been released on DVD, they're actually providing something the studio hadn't bothered to, albeit at a sometimes ridiculous price. Even worse is the fact that what you get for the cash you fork over is very poorly done, and from what I've seen, bootleggers sometimes don't stop selling their wares even after an official release happens, at least while they still have stock to get rid of.

All in all, the whole price-gouging situation with regard to "you want it, but you can't get it unless you're willing to pay the price" DVDs is just ridiculous. People claim "free enterprise" every time they're criticized, but it's opportunism, plain and simple. It's exploting the free enterprise system, not helping it.
Nicely stated. There's a fine line between free enterprise and opportunism and when some asks $500 for a SALO dvd, or $50 for a 20 year old vhs of Monster Squad they have crossed that line, imo. Sure its up to whomever wants to be dumb enough to pay that price, I aint calling for laws to be made, but I have no qualms about judging the entire fiasco either.
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are you kidding? thats how the world works. those chaps in iraq dont sell you yanks oil for 10 cents a barrell cause thats all it cost them. they sell it for a high price cause they know you're dumb enough to pay it.

i have sold over 30 videos of rare films which are not on dvd, i usually pick them up for 50p and no more than 1.99 and sell them on buy it now auctions for anywhere between 5 quid and 20 quid.
Old 01-30-07 | 01:30 PM
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I'm curious how many Little Shop Of Horrors with the alternate ending made it out into the world. How close to the street date was it recalled? Over the years I have managed to find 2 sitting on shelves in stores. (Well, two locations of the same retailer.)
I'd be interested in knowing too, since I was able to purchase a copy.
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is this definate that criterion is re-releasing this? anyone have a link or an eta?
Old 01-30-07 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Cameron
depends on what bootlegs you buy from what people. plenty of quality boots out there that could pass the pepsi challenge. disc art, covers and inserts quality printed on paper. I see copies of monster squad and howard the duck on ebay with shrink wrap and security stickers all the time. at the same time i see junky printer paper covers dvd-r junk at flea markets and comic shows.
Very true. However, the ones with shrinkwrap and "security stickers" piss me off more than the obviously-fanmade ones. Regardless of price, to try and pass off bootlegs (pressed or not) as official product is pretty damn low, especially when it's something that exists on an official DVD.

I will agree though that a few (very few) makers of "unofficial" DVDs do put some effort into them, and fewer still actually sell for reasonable prices, or better yet, mostly trade (PDTV among them).
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Originally Posted by Jay G.
I have a factory-pressed DVD of the Don Hertzfeldt animated short "Rejected" that was a limited edition. I don't know how many copies were pressed, but the website warns:

"Remember, once these are sold out they will never again be reprinted, doomed to only be available for outrageous prices on E-bay from overweight collectors who speak Klingon and smell vaguely of baby powder and cheese."
That sounds vaguely familiar, and I would have loved to get my hands on one of those (the DVD, not the overweight collectors). I don't know if it's the advent of the internet or what, but most overweight collectors I've met don't smell a damn thing like baby power, or any kind of non-fetid cheese, for that matter. It's typically days worth of B.O. in my experience.
Old 01-30-07 | 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by bgmat58
is this definate that criterion is re-releasing this? anyone have a link or an eta?
http://www.criterionco.com/blog/2006...15251608534341


Have we been able to renew our rights? Well, here’s the answer you weren’t expecting. Yes. We’re working on a brand new HD transfer now. It’ll be a totally new release and be out in 2007.
Old 01-30-07 | 03:04 PM
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are you kidding? thats how the world works. those chaps in iraq dont sell you yanks oil for 10 cents a barrell cause thats all it cost them. they sell it for a high price cause they know you're dumb enough to pay it.

i have sold over 30 videos of rare films which are not on dvd, i usually pick them up for 50p and no more than 1.99 and sell them on buy it now auctions for anywhere between 5 quid and 20 quid.
Well, we could go on forever talking about how the U.S. has made billionaires out of certain middle-eastern families for the sake of oil (and forever again talking about how insistent our government is on continuing to do so), but treating DVDs as commodities where the film contained on them is far less important than whether you can still buy a copy and claiming that "free enterprise" is all about getting as much as you can for what you have is what I have a big problem with. I'm not even so worried about original items like OOP DVDs and VHS tapes -- it's the DVD-R bootlegs that bother me the most.
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Originally Posted by CliffStephenson
Here's a pretty rare one. Circa summer 2000, New Line released the 2-disc Boogie Nights, which was originally slated to include a 30 minute cut of the John Holmes documentary "Exhausted." A handful of check discs (certainly less than 40) were pressed and sent out to review publications prior to street date only to see New Line forced to remove the documentary before the disc saw a final release. I know in all my dealings, this is the rarest disc I've ever personally encountered. I know there are probably other examples of check discs pressed with material that didn't make the final release, but this is one of the only examples I can think of where the discs actually made it out into the public.
Wow, I was always disappointed that the abridged version of "Exhausted" (complete with P.T. Anderson commentary) didn't make it onto the DVD (it was on the Criterion LD). I'd love to have one of those check discs.
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Originally Posted by bgmat58
is this definate that criterion is re-releasing this? anyone have a link or an eta?
Reel.com's Criterion Interview <---let the cat out of the bag that it was being re-released, and gave a source for the legit number of original salo disc.

being discussed at length...

Criterion re-releasing Salo in 2007





Originally Posted by Mike Adams
Very true. However, the ones with shrinkwrap and "security stickers" piss me off more than the obviously-fanmade ones. Regardless of price, to try and pass off bootlegs (pressed or not) as official product is pretty damn low, especially when it's something that exists on an official DVD.

I will agree though that a few (very few) makers of "unofficial" DVDs do put some effort into them, and fewer still actually sell for reasonable prices, or better yet, mostly trade (PDTV among them).
i think most people seeking those films out know what they are looking at.


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