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Old 01-21-07 | 03:33 PM
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It's good that you don't have any real problems in your life to worry about.

Cut up the cover to put behind the disc if you need disc art in your binders.
Old 01-21-07 | 03:45 PM
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Paramount has been on the cheap lately with most/all of their releases. I know that Over the Hedge, Nacho Libre, and Barnyard all have the plain silver disc art.
Old 01-21-07 | 05:00 PM
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Paramount has been on the cheap lately with most/all of their releases. I know that Over the Hedge, Nacho Libre, and Barnyard all have the plain silver disc art.
Over the Hedge is Dreamworks, by the way.

All of you making the "what do you want for $4.44?" argument...it makes no sense. 1/3 of my collection was probably bought for less than $5, and nothing was taken away from them. Freddy vs. Jason was $22.99 at BB when it came out, and it had an insert/booklet inside. It had that same insert/booklet when I bought it for $4.99.

Whereas I don't agree with throwing out the cover, I'm not here to judge that because his post wasn't about that. I like my releases with inserts. I like chapter selections and I hate it when companies change stuff with the same release over time.

Paramount has gotten cheap with their releases. Mission Impossible III has a crappy two disc case that it's in, and they've actually started using regular amaray cases for 6-disc seasons of shows (7th Heaven: Season 3) Not cool...
Old 01-21-07 | 07:04 PM
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I would just return coming to america because an SE is coming this year.
Really? Where is this information coming from?
Old 01-21-07 | 07:18 PM
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Over the Hedge is Dreamworks, by the way.
Newsflash: Paramount owns Dreamworks and distributes their DVD catalog.
Old 01-21-07 | 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Adams
I'll leave it up to the moderators to change the title if they wish, but I'm surprised that a couple people don't understand that missing parts of packaging and unannounced alterations are indeed "real problems".
I'm surprised that someone considers the lack of an insert or less flashy disc art to be a "real problem." Altered aspect ratio? Missing material from the film? Incorrect soundtrack? Disc won't play? Those are real problems (as they relate to DVDs in general...I won't even bother suggesting that DVD problems usually aren't "real problems").

I also came into this thread expecting discs that freeze up or something. As has been pointed out, this is the wrong forum for such complaints, anyway.

And Jiggawhat works for Paramount, as evidenced by his past remarks in the HD forum.
Old 01-21-07 | 08:34 PM
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Back in early 2000, Paramount was notorious to release barebones dvds in the $36.99 range. So if it takes removing inserts and disc art to reduce the price, I'll accept that. I bought Black Rain: SE for $9.99. Can't beat that.
Old 01-21-07 | 09:28 PM
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Tons of Paramount and especially BVHE titles were all silver. What's the big deal. I am more worried about what's on the screen, not what the disc looks like as it spins in the player. Although it is nice to have inserts, I will take cheap catalog disc over high priced ones with inserts. The insert does nothing for me, all it does is list the chapters and since I seldom jump around on a title I don't know extensively, it is of no real use.
Old 01-21-07 | 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Adams
Obviously that's too much to expect -- people can start threads about the precise method of opening DVDs, right down to how they fold up the detrius, but I can't try and compile information that I thought might actually help people avoid an inconvience and annoyance that I've recently dealt with. As I've often been compelled to say in this forum... excuse the fuck outta me.
If you want to start a thread about inserts and disc art label it that way. If you start a thread accusing Paramount of screwing up DVDs it had better have some actual substance. Everyone coming in here is expecting to see something serious about disc problems and instead its this nonsense.
Old 01-21-07 | 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by GuruTwo
Newsflash: Paramount owns Dreamworks and distributes their DVD catalog.

Newflash: I'm going by the company on the side of the DVD. Over the Hedge says Dreamworks
Old 01-21-07 | 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Sabrett
Newflash: I'm going by the company on the side of the DVD. Over the Hedge says Dreamworks
Not sure what you mean or care about, but Paramount is the distributer now.
Old 01-22-07 | 12:05 AM
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For the life of me, I will never understand the obsession some people have over inserts.
Old 01-22-07 | 07:10 AM
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For the life of me, I will never understand the obsession some people have over inserts.
As someone who uses binders, I understand it in that context. If the DVD doesn't have an insert, then I have to make my own to easily find the DVD in my binders.

But outside of that use, I could care less about them unless they are actual booklets with good information.
Old 01-22-07 | 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by darkside
If you want to start a thread about inserts and disc art label it that way. If you start a thread accusing Paramount of screwing up DVDs it had better have some actual substance. Everyone coming in here is expecting to see something serious about disc problems and instead its this nonsense.
Amen. Although not totally nonsense, just mislabeled and in the wrong forum.

Also Mike, and you'll probably take this the wrong way, but you are way too sensitive here. I've seen you complain in thread after thread about getting jumped on or people not caring about you (not exact quotes from you, just my interpretation). Relax friend. Just because you post a thread or question you can't expect anyone to agree with you, answer you, or even read it. Be patient, and take the bad with the good.
Old 01-22-07 | 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Adams
I've covered this before if you'd care to read the posts, but the answer is that I expect the same thing as I would if I had paid $19.99 for the same DVD. Like I said, it wasn't used, defective, or anything like that. This was a brand-new DVD that was only $4.44 because it was in the bargain bin at WAL-MART. They also sell the first season of The Jeff Foxworthy Show for $5.50 -- would you be okay if they replaced the two-disc full season with a single-disc 5-episode sampler and didn't bother changing the cover??? I doubt it.
Less cost to the manufacturer = less cost to Walmart = the bargain bin.

And as for you analogy: Changing the episode count WOULD actually be a change to the contents of the disc which is what your thread title actually said.
Old 01-22-07 | 09:13 AM
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speaking of cheap, Universal is also starting to go back to their old days of disc labels. I've noticed Miami Vice has no artwork. It's just the clear cover with the print. Inside Man, and I'm pretty sure United 93, had artwork on the disc, but MV didn't.
Old 01-22-07 | 10:02 AM
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Cut up the cover to put behind the disc if you need disc art in your binders.
This is the first thing I thought of. Also, I wonder how many people throw away the covers. That blows my mind especially considering how anal (self labeled, no offense) you (OP) are with the inserts.

I would suggest to you and any other member out there that is throwing away cases and covers to offer them up for sale or trade in the trading forum, I know there are a few covers I'd like to replace for whatever reason. Also, you could use the covers and cases to trade for the missing inserts that you want.

ETA: Also, is this release of an SE for CTA confirmed?
Old 01-22-07 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Judremy
Less cost to the manufacturer = less cost to Walmart = the bargain bin.
Not true. There are PLENTY of DVDs in Wal-marts bargain bin that haven't had the disc art changed or the insert removed. It has nothing to do with that.
Old 01-22-07 | 12:33 PM
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It's funny how about 6 years ago we'd all complain that Paramount had the most expensive dvds on the market (besides Criterion), and for a while, it didn't look like they were going to be dropping their prices any time soon. Now we're complaining that they're too cheap...
Old 01-22-07 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt Millheiser
For the life of me, I will never understand the obsession some people have over inserts.
It makes for a more attractive package; when you're opening up the DVD case it looks a bit better to have a poster reproduction/chapter list on the left side of the disc than to have a plain black piece of plastic staring back at you.

Also -- and very few DVD manufacturers have bothered doing this -- a little booklet or brochure with some pictures and information about the movie in question makes for a decent little extra.
Old 01-22-07 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by jiggawhat
I would just return coming to america because an SE is coming this year.
Well, I've already opened it, so I can't return it (how else would I know there was no insert and the disc artwork had changed???). I have seen a poll asking if Coming To America deserved an SE, but I've missed any real announcement that there was going to be one. Even so, I'd like to have packaging that reflects the original artwork, because SEs, etc. often end up with new covers slapped together in Photoshop using publicity shots of the individual actors.

Speaking of hanging on to original artwork, if a Special Edition is released, and the chapters don't match the ones listed on the insert, I'll actually be keeping the cover and tossing the insert. However, for now, the insert (and an original pressing of the disc itself) is more important to me, although obviously not to anyone else.
Old 01-22-07 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Breakfast with Girls
It's good that you don't have any real problems in your life to worry about.

Cut up the cover to put behind the disc if you need disc art in your binders.
I don't, but if an insert exists, I'd like to have it. Had I known this version didn't have one, I would have waited to find one that did.
Old 01-22-07 | 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Skoobooz
I'm surprised that someone considers the lack of an insert or less flashy disc art to be a "real problem." Altered aspect ratio? Missing material from the film? Incorrect soundtrack? Disc won't play? Those are real problems (as they relate to DVDs in general...I won't even bother suggesting that DVD problems usually aren't "real problems").
I don't consider it a "major problem", but it's a real problem for anyone who knows there was an insert and better-looking disc art, and only found out it had changed when they bought it.

I just can't understand that when I start a thread about making sure you get the original insert and disc art, people are allowed to come in here and say shit like "I don't give a crap about the original insert and disc art -- you're crazy!" Look folks, if you don't care, THIS THREAD IS NOT FOR YOU!!!!!
Old 01-22-07 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by speedyray
Tons of Paramount and especially BVHE titles were all silver. What's the big deal. I am more worried about what's on the screen, not what the disc looks like as it spins in the player. Although it is nice to have inserts, I will take cheap catalog disc over high priced ones with inserts. The insert does nothing for me, all it does is list the chapters and since I seldom jump around on a title I don't know extensively, it is of no real use.
Think about it. There are plenty of used copies of this around, and at any one store they'd ALL be priced the same. I can get one with an insert and the original disc for the same price as one that doesn't. It's not like I have to pay a premium, except for buying the damn thing twice because I didn't know it had changed.
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Originally Posted by speedyray
Tons of Paramount and especially BVHE titles were all silver. What's the big deal. I am more worried about what's on the screen, not what the disc looks like as it spins in the player. Although it is nice to have inserts, I will take cheap catalog disc over high priced ones with inserts. The insert does nothing for me, all it does is list the chapters and since I seldom jump around on a title I don't know extensively, it is of no real use.
I DIDN'T ASK "WHO HERE LIKES INSERTS?", I MERELY STARTED A THREAD FOR THOSE OF US WHO CARE!!!!!


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