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Originally Posted by baracine
I was only kidding about "post 9/11 sensibilities". But it is more and more evident to me that the shifting of all colours to the yellow end of the spectrum was done as a radical gesture to make the film look modern and contemporary and to distance it as much as possible from the glistening and vivid animation of the Technicolor era, which must now be considered "old-fashioned".
With this much gold and yellow in the picture, lamplight looks much warmer and the film takes on the look of a live film like the recent live version of Peter Pan, for instance. Everything else follows: Big, yellow patches in the middle of Neverland, a Mermaid Lagoon that looks like a close-up of female reproductive organs with blonde pubic hair, toned-down pinkish Indians, Mr. Smee dressed in baby blue, zebra-skin cushions that have gone from bluish-black to middle brown, a goldenrod-tunic Peter Pan, a yellow-skinned Tinker Bell, etc. |
I posted this on the Home Theatre Forum:
Screen cap from Platinum Edition: http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/.../6530.imgcache Original production hand-painted cel (on sale here: http://www.animationartgallery.com/WDCK280.html): http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/.../6534.imgcache Need I say more? (Except to mention how the Chief's coat has gone from jade to pale banana?) |
Also note the horns and muted pinks...god its a mess...
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And the gloves? From white and blue to banana and beige!
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I mean just don't buy it if you don't want it, I watched it and it was very good in term of PQ, too bad for you guys I'd say. Many movies changed colors with remastering procedures, The Sting, Singin' in the Rain, A Breakfast at Tiffany's...just to name a few, and you know what? they look pretty damn good now..
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The latest issue of Home Theater magazine has the new "Peter Pan: Platinum Edition" DVD featured in their "Reference Corner" section.
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http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/.../6544.imgcache
2002 SE Edition http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/.../6545.imgcache 2007 PE Edition a.k.a. The Beige Edition |
It looks like a completely different movie. I'm definitely holding off buying this one.
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Two very interesting things are happening here:
1. We are seeing that studios (or the companies they out-source to) often do a sloppy job; and just because something is branded as "restored" it should be taken with a grain of salt 2. We are seeing that the majority of media outlets (including the respected Home Theater magazine and this website) do not neccesarily subject a DVD to very much scrutiny before declaring it a "must buy" or "reference quality". Forums such as these are where the people...THE CONSUMERS...get together to share the reality of a title. Ignore the hype created by the marketing departments. Ignore the hype presented by the main page of DVDTalk and other marketing outlets. See for yourself and decide for yourself. |
Exactly. This is where I go for all my news on DVD information that's relative to upcoming releases. Release information I can get anywhere... but these kinds of discussions are priceless in terms of what's shared.
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POWER TO THE PEOPLE RIGHT NOW!
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http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/.../6534.imgcache
cell http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/.../6544.imgcache 2002 SE Edition The 2002 SE Edition doesn't hold up very well either if you ask me. |
I wish Disney would take a lesson from WB and use some sort of warning for anything that might be considered racial. I doubt that was a huge reason for redefining the entire color palette of the entire film though. Neverland (now that we've all noticed this color change) doesn't appear to be as desirable to me as it once did. I mean, it looks pretty pale in comparison to the rich and vibrant colors that now made a 'spring time' looking Neverland, now look like Neverland in the fall.
The people behind the restoration process at Disney have to be completely and utterly bone-headed. Why all the colors need to look more 'natural', more 'warm', whatever you want to call it... leave it up to the consumer. They can warm their picture up on the TV if they want without destroying the overall effect of the picture. |
The 2002 Edition is the closest to the original colour scheme for this character. The coat is a darker shade of jade because it's a different backlit sunset scene. But the bubble gum pink is the same and so is the face colour. Compare to the 2007 PE where the jade coat has now become beige (their version of dark banana?). The war paint is blue in the cel/2002 Edition and it has turned white (Gee, I wonder why!) in the 2007 PE.
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And I won't comment on the "beef bouillon" sky in the 2007 PE...
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Maybe it should be called "The Sepia Edition."
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as I am half Native American, I am offended by this visual depiction of "redskins"... ;)
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In the Platinum Edition, Peter Pan's costume looses all traces of Lincoln green in the final battle with Hook:
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/.../6550.imgcache (Sorry, I'm writing this from work and the EDIT button is not available in our system.) |
and yet I still get a little box with an X in the middle...
(nevermind - corrected) |
You can see the picture here: http://www.the-trades.com/article.php?id=5284
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Originally Posted by baracine
You can see the picture here: http://www.the-trades.com/article.php?id=5284
looking at that link reminded me how much of the commentary track refers to the reference modeling for 'Peter Pan' characters in true 'human' motion. Though they never really mention rotoscoping, but the tracing for 'Sleeping Beauty' is much more blatant than what was used for 'Peter Pan' |
I'm thinking maybe the PE came with a pair of blue-green viewing glasses in order to restore the missing colours. Maybe mine fell off or something...
-confused- |
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/.../6550.imgcache
or go to http://www.the-trades.com/article.php?id=5284 Reproduction (sericel) of original production cel: http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/.../6553.imgcache From: http://www.acmeanimation.com/wkspcl62098.html |
Judging from the two images directly above (posted by baracine), I hate to say that I prefer the PE.
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Originally Posted by bookcase3
Judging from the two images directly above (posted by baracine), I hate to say that I prefer the PE.
This sericel shows that in this scene it was not intended that Peter Pan be a wilted corn colour. Here's a sericel signed by Frank Thomas, the animator who created the hook character: http://www.cartoongallery.com/big/10406.jpg |
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