Drop

I disagree, The second trilogy began 16 years after ROTJ, Lucas hadn't directed anything since the first Star Wars (unless you believe the ROTJ reports), he was a pretty different (rusty) person by then.

Really it's ridiculous to compare PT era Lucas to OT era. Especially when you consider he directed ANH (a truly great film), and he was much closer to that person during TESB and ROTJ than TPM, AOTC or ROTS.

Kershner does deserve the credit for making the drama effective, he was there on set with the actors, and obviously he works quite well with them. Still, it was Lucas who decided on how the film would develop character and plot wise; he mapped all of that out. It was up to Kershner to execute that.

I think Kershner also deserves credit for deploying the most effective humor in the Saga as well. He was smart enough to inject a reasonable and believeable balance of laughs with the tragic events in the film. If Lucas directed the film, we would have never gotten Han Solo's "I know". Which, outside of Vader's reveal, is the most emotional part of the film and summaries the feel of the film in just one moment.

Film's are collaborative efforts and TESB wouldn't be the film we all love without Kershner, Kasdan, the actors, FX people, even Leigh Brackett. They all ultimately led to one of the greatest films of all time. Lucas was the driving force behind the film, however, and the success or failure of any of the Star Wars films ultimately falls in his lap. To place all of the success of the film on him is silly, but I have no problems giving him the majority of it.

GuessWho

If you mean film's look, then this is not relevant but if you mean the looks of the buildings, ships, etc... it makes total sense.

Episodes 4-VI (your numbering system ) take place after a war. while the prequels are full of lavish buildings and slick ships, many of those buildings are gone post war and the ships are now being made with less new/raw materials. take a look at one of the first Clone Wars cartoons--a city with beautiful castles and palaces gets demolished with reckless abandon.

For a real-world example, look at Europoe before WW2 and after.

grim_tales

Is there a boxset available for the non SE's/SE's?

speedy1961

Yes.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....p=1&id=1562088

Egon's Ghost

This is the same DVDs coming out on the 12th (2004 SE with orig. version on bonus disc), but in a tin, right?

Supermallet

Yes.

Egon's Ghost

Hmmm. I don't see it on Amazon...I just may have to get that sumbitch.

Drop

FRwL, you having nothing to support anything your saying about Leigh Brackett's involvement in TESB. She died in 1978 (a year before filming began) and was sick the whole time she wrote her part, and you expect the majority of her draft (which was incomplete by the way), to have somehow made it all the way to 1980? That's ridiculous.

Your whole issue of it being more serious is something I'm willing to credit to Kershner than Brackett. Kershner probably wrote more of the script than Brackett actually.

And for your information Kasdan wrote Raiders of the Lost Ark before he wrote TESB. That's enough to justify his involvement in TESB as well.

You're just completely off base in what you're saying.

Big Worms

http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Epis...?ie=UTF8&s=dvd

http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Epis...?ie=UTF8&s=dvd

http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Epis...?ie=UTF8&s=dvd

Supermallet

He's talking about the tin, Big Worms.

Big Worms

Oops. My bad.

I thought he knew this was a BB exclusive.

DRG

Since this thread is full of discussions about special edition changes anyway, I've always wondered how Never Say Never Again would play if they went back and added a traditional barrel sequence and opening credits (done in a retro style to match the film's era of course) and if the film was rescored with some traditional Bond musical cues here and there, again done in a retro style... the discoish For Your Eyes Only score would probably work best for that.

Jason

But, but, but, that would mean that one of the changes in the SEs actually made sense, thereby making the movie better. We can't have that.

Jason

Plus, a lot of the PT takes place on Coruscant, the center of the Republic, and Naboo, a wealthy planet. Most of the OT takes place in rustic, frontier places, hastily assembled rebel bases, a swamp, and a beat up freighter.

The Third Jake

Make sense? Sure. Make the movie better? I don't know. Did you really find yourself not enjoying the movie just the slightest bit because that interior didn't match up with the establishing shot?

Sure, the shots match up better now, but as someone else pointed out, you lose the authenticity of the window glare and the rust streaks. Personally, I think at best it's a wash.

Egon's Ghost

Ah, now we're on the same page.

Supermallet

TESB went from my sixth favorite Star Wars film to the first because of this change.

MrBlud

No one would care WHAT Lucas did to the movies if he simply treated the originals with the reverence they deserved and gave them releases equal in scope to the CGI butcheries he puts out.

He's been very irresponsible in how he's handled the Original Trilogy. His decision to release them in the state we'll be getting next week is a very bitter move and a single step up from not releasing them at all. Fan complaint has backed him into a corner and instead of owning up and doing the right thing in the right way, he's being petty and childish.

FRwL

Have you seen the original draft of TESB? Right, you're just going along with what you'd like to believe without knowing anything you're talking about.

I believe GL was the writer of Raiders.

caligulathegod

I don't think there is really going to be a box (unless a retailer packs them all together). The tin is a BB exclusive, but otherwise, the whole purpose of this release was that they are available as individual movies for the first time. It's kind of like how The Godfather trilogy was sold as a set then later as individual movies. The OUT is just a bonus thrown in to sell more DVDs (or, to give them the benefit of the doubt, a consession to fan demands by releasing what they had on hand-that is, without having to spend the millions to restore it properly). If it weren't for the original version bonus this wouldn't even rank as a double dip, just a reissue.

Jay G.

Have you seen the original draft of TESB?

This page lists all the different drafts of the Star Wars films, with notes:
http://starwarz.com/starkiller/writings/cguide.htm

For Empire, it mentions that Lucas wrote two drafts himself after Brackett's. Kasdan based his script on Lucas's drafts, while only ever skimming Brackett's.

Lucas is credited with story, but Lawrence Kasdan wrote the screenplay:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082971/fullcredits#writers

bboisvert

Anyone interested in the development of the OT screenplays should get this fantastic book:

http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Scre...e=UTF8&s=books

It goes into detail about all of the drafts, how things developed, what was added/dropped/etc.

It also makes it pretty damn clear that Leigh Brackett's involvement was nothing more than a glorified outline and that very little (basically none) of it ended up in the finished product. She's given credit as (a) a tribute/thank you for the work and (b) to avoid any potential suits by heirs claiming that something was her invention.

Tom Woodward

Don't think anyones mentioned this, but our resident Star Wars nerd has reviewed the new release of A New Hope:

http://www.dvdactive.com/reviews/dvd...new-hope2.html

Drop

I'm going along with what the people who created the film have said. You are basing your opinion on what you would like to believe without knowing what you are talking about.

At this point your credibility is dwindling because you got the Raiders fact completely wrong, which is really quite easy to check. It seems quite obvious to me you have not done any research on this.

I know there has been a discussion somewhere either on this forum or HTF or an article specifically addressing this issue, but I know it's generally accepted that Brackett had very little to do with TESB final script, and therefore the actual film.

Egon's Ghost

I have to say, I think these shots look better in the non-anamorphic, 1993 master of the original. The 2004 is very dark, and blues look too strong. The stormtroopers in the Leia shot have blue tint!