That's not true. There's proof in this thread alone.

Great news. The same day that the Lego Star Wars Original Trilogy video game comes out :up:

The 3 non-SE are coming out individually, instead of a boxset, right?

That's an amazing talent you have. You have proven that my own thoughts were actually incorrect; I had fooled myself into believing that I liked versions of films that I actually disliked. Wow.

I've got news for you: you are not everyone in the world. And those who disagree with you are not nobodies.

DJ

That is the opposite of correct.

We are such a bunch of nerds. 21 pages in 2 days...that's just ridiculous.

I'm not sure if you're a creative person or not, you may very well be. But I think you'll find that many artists, especially those working in the mediums of film and music (I fall in this category) never really consider their work "finished".

Yes you have to release it eventually, but it's impossible to look at your creation after its release and not think about ways to improve it. They even titled one of their documentaries on SW "Films Aren't Released, They Escape" or something like that IIRC.

Now I definitely agree there is a responsibility to keep the original release version of a creative work available, especially if it has become popular and/or has won awards. Perfect example is the band Megadeth's remixed albums from a couple years ago. I HATED the changes. But thankfully I still had the originals. Yes, I would have been happy if the original versions had simply been remastered, but instead the creator did what he felt made them better, which is his absolute right. I chose not to like those versions. Life goes on.

On the several CD's I've been involved with creating, there were also financial problems, technical difficulties, etc. Deadlines cause these problems. I am proud of my work, but I still hear what could have been done better every time I listen to them. It's the fundamental difference between being a creator of something and the consumer of something.

And for the record, I do prefer the SE's for the most part. :)

I bought a used copy of that 1992 VHS widescreen set for $30, but to my surprise, while the exterior box was a bit worn, the individual VHS tapes inside (including "From Star Wars to Jedi") were sealed!

The only problem:

'The Empire Strikes Back' was defective - it had static in the audio track throughout the entire film.

It doesn't bother me. I find this pointless arguement and bitching quite funny.

However, these things can and often do lead to personal attacks, insults, etc that will lead to the closing of the thread. Someone will likely lose their cool over this.

Yes, I know. Anything I write, draw, or build - no matter how perfect it looks on day one, never seems as good to me later in life. I'm sure that Lucas is no different.

But you just can't expect people to fall in love with your "new improved" version when they already fell in love with your "old flawed" version. A lot of directors (no, I'm not talking about Lucas in particular) lose their touch when they get older. If their newer stuff is never as good as their older stuff, why would I want to see how they would make one of their classics today?

As for a few people jumping on my comments about the SEs, I didn't say that to pick a fight. It was a generalized statment about many directors. (I cited many examples.) And, of course, some are going to defend Lucas. But I really would like to know if those who perfer the SEs saw the OT in the theaters, and can honestly say they rather have Greedo shoot first, Palpatine tell Vader that he has a son in ESB, and Hayden Christensen appear at the end of ROTJ.

No artist can expect anyone to fall in love with any of their works. That's not a particularly good reason to not make art.

So maybe people won't like it. Every movie is a roll of the dice on public reaction. So what?

DJ

That's not true at all, with the LOTR:EE's being the best example. Almost everyone prefers them to the theatrical cuts (main exception are people that just can't handle long movies).

And there are people that like the Star Wars SEs better. I like most of the special effects additions, just hated stuff like Greedo shooting first, Luke screaming when he fell, the Jabba scene, young Anakin at the end of ROTJ etc.

Good points. I'm not sure if Lucas expected any older fans to fall in love with the new versions-I think he just did what he wanted to do.

In answer to your last paragraph, I saw all the films in their initial releases, albeit as a kid. I was 3 for ANH, 6 for ESB and 9 for ROTJ. Now, ANH was re-released enough that I was able to see it again when I was older and could remember more. I know all the lines, and I am still immediately able to point out when dialogue has changed.

I don't prefer Greedo shooting at Han-I doubt many people do. My hope is that if Lucas can cater to fans and release the O-OT, maybe he'll realize he should restore this scene in the 2004 versions-that would really make me happy. Hey at least they removed Luke's scream in ESB. I could never figure that one out. Even if they did want him to scream, you think they could have recorded a unique scream instead of just reusing the Emperor's scream from ROTJ.

I actually like the scene with Ian McDiarmid in ESB. It brings it more in line with ROTS. The Hayden thing at the end of ROTJ 2004 doesn't bother me too much, except that it's based on semantics of whether Anakin became one with the force when he became Vader, or when he died on the second Death Star. If Lucas can produce a valid reason for this in regards to the saga as a whole, I'm OK with it.

Again, I've always thought the originals should be available. But I'll still watch the new versions as part of the whole saga. You have to admit, stuff the work done to the Battle Of Yavin adds a whole new dimension to ANH.

I liked the Emperior change. The new look, voice, and dialog are just better.

I agree with you that Greedo shooting first and Hayden head are both abomindable changes that I disagree with 100%. I also disliked Han stepping on Jabbas tail and the change in Bobas voice. Other then this I have no problem with any other change. Who would rather have empty cities, hidden monsters, matte lines, and that ewok song.

Don't know if anyone saw this yet:

http://images.usatoday.com/life/_pho...ucas-large.jpg

OK - you got me on that one. ;)

I know it wasn't the point of your post, but I love those Star Wars M&M characters. My favorite candy and favorite movie combined. My Star Wars toy and collectible spending has gone down lately but I had to get all those M&M figures.

That's true. I think it's unlikely though, I think they just take the current disk and toss it in, the expense of a remaster, etc. I haven't followed the SE story too closely, don't they officially deny any problems with the disks? Aren't all the problems "artistic decisions"?

That's why they're forcing the SE's into this release... They'll count each sale of the OT as a sale of the SE as well, and tack it onto the sales count of the previous release. :)

Um, no. The original theatrical versions are a bonus feature. The people that will be buying this for the first time or buying it again for this feature will likely be a very small number when compared to the sales of the first DVD set released in 2004. Do not pull a Serenity on this: do not disillusion yourself that a couple hundred very vocal nerds equals millions and millions of sales.

Even if these original versions were being sold separately, I would still hang onto my '04 editions boxset. I have come to see Star Wars as a 9 film series (like how it was supposed to be...grumblegrumble...). When the 2004 editions tweaked the Greedo shooting, and (more importantly IMHO) removed Luke's scream, that took away a lot of the bad feelings I had towards the Special Editions. I had always liked some of the things, new Battle of Yavin and the new ending to ROTJ chief among them and fixing the aformentioned things really helped the feel of trilogy. But for years I've personally started to see them as "The Holy Trilogy" and "The Saga". The trilogy is what I grew up with, and the saga is the whole story. I feel the endings of ROTJ best define the two: the original ending truly is a small group of people in the wrong place at the right time, that overcame great adversity. It's our heroes hanging with the Ewoks around the bonfire, knocking back a few cold ones.

The new ending is better for the "The Saga". This isn't just the Empire defeated, it's the Dark Side of the Force, the devil incarnate if you will. An oppressive regime has been lifted (or at least crippled in the EU), and there is cause to celebrate on all planets.

As long as the new SE discs include the commentaries from the 04 box, I'll have no problem giving those versions to some relative that isn't as into it as I am. But I'm sure I'll continue to watch both versions in the years to come.

Now what to do with two VHS black-box set, the blue-box set, the SE VHS set, the Faces LDs, and the Fox WS LDs? :)

They are NOT releasing the original trilogy for purchase.

They are releasing the special editions for purchase (with very special bonus features).

Ok, I love SW as much as almost anyone and I read this WHOLE thread and the on on HTF today when I should be working on a project. I am as gulity as anyone here but I totally am thinking of the classic Shatner line in that SNL skit right now...
"Get a Life" No wonder my gf thinks I'm insane.

:) d

And for the record I like about 75% of the SE changes.

This is like saying that no studio has ever released a commentary track, because they're bonus features.

Come on. Since when has titling something a bonus feature constituted not releasing it? Did I wake up in another universe this morning?

DJ

I think some of you are taking light-hearted comments like these...




...a little too seriously. :shrug:

Which SE version is coming?
 

I understand that the original versions are coming, BUT are the SEs going to be the new to DVD versions or the 1997 theater versions?

I do want to see a cleaned up Star Wars with some added effects, but with no fake Anakins.

The DVD versions.