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Giles 11-09-09 10:01 PM

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Malcolm McDowell's bascially rips nearly the entire film: Caligula he hides no negativity towards the editing that Bob Guccione did to Tinto Brass' film.

Rypro 525 11-09-09 11:48 PM

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the Boogie Nights cast and director commentary comes to mind. From PTA asking everyone if Luis Guzman is stoned whenever he is on screen/

Numes 11-10-09 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Rypro 525 (Post 9826561)
the Boogie Nights cast and director commentary comes to mind. From PTA asking everyone if Luis Guzman is stoned whenever he is on screen/

Holy cow. I missed this commentary when I watched this a couple months ago. I listened to the PTA only commentary, but I missed the other one. How dare me! Thanks!

Rypro 525 11-10-09 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Numes (Post 9826788)
Holy cow. I missed this commentary when I watched this a couple months ago. I listened to the PTA only commentary, but I missed the other one. How dare me! Thanks!

and Whalberg keeps asking to leave and PTA talks him into staying.

Yeti4623 11-17-09 10:05 AM

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Guinevere Turner's commentary for American Psycho. Totally speaks her mind.

terrible chong 11-24-09 02:20 PM

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Jean Jacques Annaud's commentary for In the Name of the Rose airs out what a pain F Murray Abraham was to work with.

apparently Abraham's ego swelled after his Oscar for Amadeus, so he started treating everyone like crap. among his diva-ish demands was that he refused to show up on the set before Sean Connery. Sean Connery had to be there first, then Abraham would make his arrival... because Connery didn't have an Oscar

Annaud then points out that humble hard workers like Ron Perlman get plenty of work, and where's F Murray Abraham now?

terrible chong 11-24-09 02:32 PM

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in the cast commentary for Resident Evil Apocalypse, Milla Jovovich is apparently drunk or ditzy or both. she and Oded Fehr non-stop make fun of the dialogue, the special effects and the zombie noises

Jovovich has one of those pirate laughs where it sounds like she is horking snot

terrible chong 11-24-09 02:35 PM

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John Milius and Arnold Schwarzeneggar sound like they were smoking more than cigars when they did the commentary for Conan the Barbarian. Judge for yourself...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86-vveE9DI4

Yeti4623 11-24-09 03:17 PM

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Shannon Sossamon's comments during one of the Rules of Attraction commentaries. Entertaining.

Alan Smithee 11-24-09 05:17 PM

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I liked how the commentary for Friday the 13th Part 8 (Jason Takes Manhattan) and some of the extras said basically "Yeah, it would've been cool if we could actually put Jason in New York, but they didn't give us enough money so we spent most of the movie on the boat instead."

crazyrabbits 12-16-09 02:42 AM

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Some of the ridiculous (not necessarily no-holds-barred) commentaries I've heard over the years:

Speed (Five-Star Collection): Graham Yost (the screenwriter) and producer Mark Gordon talk about the film, and the following (if I recall correctly) happens:

- Yost and Gordon reveal that Jeff Daniels thought the movie would be a disaster while filming
- Yost cracks jokes about the opening credit sequence
- railing on all the plot holes and ridiculous moments
- insulting Billy Idol's end credit song
- saying the subway sequence was useless
- Yost being immensely thankful he wasn't involved in the sequel (which he insults)

The Rules of Attraction: For some reason, the director (Roger Avary) elected to hire Carrot Top (the comedian), someone who had NOTHING to do with the production, to riff during the film. It's painfully unfunny (and he admits this), and it quickly becomes clear that this is the first time he's ever seen the film. He keeps making jokes until a scene where a woman gets raped, and then he's totally shocked and can't come back with any witty material for the next half hour. Hilarious.

Resident Evil: Milla Jovovich and Michelle Rodriguez riff on the film, MST3k-style, and talk about how it's nothing more than a popcorn flick, point out ridiculous moments, and act like schoolgirls the entire time.

Brazil: Terry Gilliam. 2 hours. 'Nuff said.

Dancer In The Dark: The director discusses (at length) how much Bjork sucks as an actress.

Frequency: Not necessarily no-holds barred, but any commentary where the person speaking actively questions who's watching the film, and the second participant leaving early so he can get to a dentist's appointment is pure gold.

Rypro 525 12-16-09 04:02 PM

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Kind of, but i listened to the Army of Darkness commentary for the longer version, and Sam didn't like that Ash had become somewhat smart and wishes he was more of the coward we all know and love during the end battle scene (which he also admits that its too long in the extended version) And both he and Bruce both do prefer the darker ending on that version as well

DeadMADMAN 12-17-09 07:18 PM

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Seven - Brad Pitt rips the marketing department for insisting his face be on the movie poster and then gets in a conversation about how his eyes appear.

Josh Z 12-18-09 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by crazyrabbits (Post 9892092)
Resident Evil: Milla Jovovich and Michelle Rodriguez riff on the film, MST3k-style, and talk about how it's nothing more than a popcorn flick, point out ridiculous moments, and act like schoolgirls the entire time.

You neglected to mention that both Jovovich and Rodriguez were drunk off their asses when recording that track. It's pretty embarrassing to listen to.

DiedLaughing 12-18-09 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by terrible chong (Post 9853696)
John Milius and Arnold Schwarzeneggar sound like they were smoking more than cigars when they did the commentary for Conan the Barbarian. Judge for yourself...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86-vveE9DI4

Awesome. I am going to pick the DVD up this weekend.

Yeti4623 12-18-09 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by crazyrabbits (Post 9892092)
Some of the ridiculous (not necessarily no-holds-barred) commentaries I've heard over the years:

Speed (Five-Star Collection): Graham Yost (the screenwriter) and producer Mark Gordon talk about the film, and the following (if I recall correctly) happens:

- Yost and Gordon reveal that Jeff Daniels thought the movie would be a disaster while filming
- Yost cracks jokes about the opening credit sequence
- railing on all the plot holes and ridiculous moments
- insulting Billy Idol's end credit song
- saying the subway sequence was useless
- Yost being immensely thankful he wasn't involved in the sequel (which he insults)

I love that Speed commentary. It's kind of amazing how much they riff on it. I've seen lesser movies get more respect from the filmmakers.

MTRodaba2468 12-18-09 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by T1000 (Post 6880073)
Freddy Got Fingered. He hardly talks about the film itself then rants about critics calling himugly. He seems very self conscious about everything, still funny, but not what I expected from Tom Green.

I'm not surprised. There was an incident on his talk show where the frontman of Jackyl came out with his chainsaw and sawed his desk in half. Green seemed caught off guard and legitimately pissed about it. Apparently he can't take the same kind of stuff that he's dished out with his pranks.


Originally Posted by crazyrabbits (Post 9892092)
The Rules of Attraction: For some reason, the director (Roger Avary) elected to hire Carrot Top (the comedian), someone who had NOTHING to do with the production, to riff during the film. It's painfully unfunny (and he admits this), and it quickly becomes clear that this is the first time he's ever seen the film. He keeps making jokes until a scene where a woman gets raped, and then he's totally shocked and can't come back with any witty material for the next half hour. Hilarious.

Well to be fair, Carrot Top was at a disadvantage. Prop comedy doesn't really work too well when delivered via audio commentary.

Yeti4623 05-02-10 10:13 AM

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Bump. Anyone got anymore?

godzilla rules 05-03-10 12:18 PM

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The Midnight Meat Train commentary by Clive Barker and the director is pretty good. they talk about how the movie got screwed when it was released.

Travis McClain 05-03-10 05:10 PM

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I still love Shatner's commentary for Star Trek V: The Final Frontier. It's two hours of him bitching about how Paramount screwed up his movie at every turn. I think he even lodges a complaint about how he was hoping to get to fix some effects shots for the DVD release, but that they nixed that as well. I think the only pleasant remarks he made were about his daughter's cameo as his yeoman.

Oh, and Tim Burton's commentary for Batman includes a frank discussion of how much Jack Palance hated working with him. Burton laughs it off, but you're left with the impression that was his way of admitting that Palance may have been right to think him a clueless amateur director at the time.

Nickofdoom 05-03-10 08:02 PM

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I still think of the Hulk Hogan movie every time I see this thread.

dan31655 05-04-10 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Nickofdoom (Post 10138386)
I still think of the Hulk Hogan movie every time I see this thread.

:banana: Agreed. I actually got a bit excited too.... Damnit.

The Valeyard 05-04-10 01:14 AM

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edwardnortonfan 05-04-10 09:15 AM

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The commentary for the movie "Cheerleader Massacre" bashes the movie for most of the running time. The director and one of the lead actresses basically mock the movie for two hours, and they each pause once during the commentary to answer their cellphones and have a conversation. It's both annoying and funny.

Yeti4623 05-06-10 09:11 AM

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Rob Cohen's commentary for The Running Man is probably one of my favorites. He talks about the how the project came to be, casting, hollywood politics, his thoughts on the final film, and other stuff. I think this may be my favorite type of commentary. More behind the scenes and general thoughts than the actual specific filmmaking itself. Although I certainly like those, too.

List of my other favorite behind the scenes/general thoughts commentaries:

Footloose: Craig Zadan/Dean Pitchford
Rain Man: Ronald Bass
First Blood: David Morrell
American Psycho: Guinevere Turner

Living Deadpan 05-06-10 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Giles (Post 9826408)
Malcolm McDowell's bascially rips nearly the entire film: Caligula he hides no negativity towards the editing that Bob Guccione did to Tinto Brass' film.

I can't believe it took this long for someone to mention Caligula! The 3rd commentary track from Penthouse writer Ernest Volkman is a total trip into the insane, impulsive & narcissistic head-space of Bob Guccione.

The Caligula Imperial Edition DVD set is the king of "no holds barred"!

Living Deadpan 05-06-10 11:42 PM

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-Alien 3 Special Edition: various mentions of its troubled production & some criticisms of the studio's final cut
-C.H.U.D.: Hilarious. Pretty much non-stop razzing from the cast.
-I Spit On Your Grave: the Joe Bob Briggs track
-Salvador: Oliver Stone does a good job explaining this film's rich, conflicted & perilous history
-The Wicker Man (1973) [OOP 2-Disc Collector's Edition, Anchor Bay, 2006] : Christopher Lee repeatedly states his dismay & suspicions over what really happened to the missing footage

syntheticgerbil 05-07-10 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Living Deadpan (Post 10144912)
-Alien 3 Special Edition: various mentions of its troubled production & some criticisms of the studio's final cut

Almost everything juicy on that was cut. It's weird they didn't allow some of the comments that spoke bad about the studio to be on the DVD when at the same time the original Alien has tons of stuff with bitter old man Dan O'Bannon attempting to take credit for everything in both the commentary and the documentaries.

But anyways, I actually get annoyed when people hold back commentary. I have never really noticed too many DVDs where the commentary turns mean or slanderous, though.

My nominations to the thread:
- John K. on Ren and Stimpy and about anything else - John K. is a very difficult person, angry as well, but he's not afraid to loudly say his opinion. On his Ren and Stimpy commentaries, multiple times names have to be bleeped out since he's talking bad about them. He's not afraid to tear apart the episodes he didn't direct, for better or worse. He also seems to randomly appear on other classic cartoon DVDs, not just Looney Tunes, but usually it ends up with him gushing about Bob Clampett or finding phallic symbols. Always entertaining at least.
-Mike Mignola on Hellboy Animated - Mike Mignola doesn't exactly fit, but he wasn't afraid to be critical about a lot of the ugly characters or bad animation of the Hellboy Animated movies. Unfortunately, he's not critical enough, and I get the feeling the guy was holding back a lot, especially when the director makes excuses for the deadline being tight or having to deal with resending bad animation back to Korea etc...
- William Goldman on Panic Room - He had nothing to do with the movie (he was joined with a producer) but I felt he was honest and didn't pull any punches when talking. He obviously enjoyed the movie enough, but was critical when he needed to be when all of the other commentaries did nothing but gush about Fincher.

I like Fincher movies and all, but the guy seems extremely difficult to work with just based on his intense OCD like precision. Disc 3 of Panic Room also has a great series of shorts all on the special effects and the visual effects supervisor comes off hilarious as well, speaking honestly about his grief with Fincher wanting to do everything the most difficult and complex way possible. Great insight into what special effects guys go through as well.

Living Deadpan 05-07-10 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by syntheticgerbil (Post 10146271)
Almost everything juicy on that was cut. It's weird they didn't allow some of the comments that spoke bad about the studio to be on the DVD when at the same time the original Alien has tons of stuff with bitter old man Dan O'Bannon attempting to take credit for everything in both the commentary and the documentaries.

Yeah, but you still have stuff like the Irish actor who played Gallic (sp?) explaining how his character makes no sense in the theatrical cut. I enjoyed all the talk on the extended cut about the completely excised subplot where they actually caught the alien a first time but the psychotic Gallic breaks out of quarantine to release "the dragon," at which point he meets his end. In the theatrical cut Gallic just inexplicably disappears.

Nickofdoom 05-07-10 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by The Valeyard (Post 10138924)

Why isn't this out on DVD?!?

JJE-187 05-07-10 09:50 PM

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I believe Vince McMahon owns the rights to the Rip character and I know he owns the right's to Zues so that is probally why there is no DVD.

Solid Snake 05-08-10 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Nickofdoom (Post 10146562)
Why isn't this out on DVD?!?


Originally Posted by JJE-187 (Post 10146634)
I believe Vince McMahon owns the rights to the Rip character and I know he owns the right's to Zues so that is probally why there is no DVD.

Now...I LOVED this movie as a kid. Is it amazing? No. Is it a great piece of nostalgia from my childhood?..fuck yes it is.

UAIOE 05-08-10 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by syntheticgerbil (Post 10146271)
John K. on Ren and Stimpy and about anything else - John K. is a very difficult person, angry as well, but he's not afraid to loudly say his opinion. On his Ren and Stimpy commentaries, multiple times names have to be bleeped out since he's talking bad about them. He's not afraid to tear apart the episodes he didn't direct, for better or worse. He also seems to randomly appear on other classic cartoon DVDs, not just Looney Tunes, but usually it ends up with him gushing about Bob Clampett or finding phallic symbols. Always entertaining at least.

I will always dislike how "Ren & Stimpy" got treated on Nick, but I just can't bring myself to respect John K. when he screwed up the *NEW* R&S.

I'm glad he got the "all speed ahead" to do R&S without intervention, but not that it came at the cost of the original two season's subtlety and absurd humor.

PatD 05-08-10 04:29 PM

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The "Superman IV: The Quest for Peace" SE audio commentary by the film's screenwriter is like that episode of "The Simpsons"--where Kevin Costner is apologizing throughout the "Waterworld" DVD.

"I'm sorry, I don't know what we were thinking..."

slop101 05-08-10 04:47 PM

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Jodorowsky on his Fando & Lis commentary:
"Dees actor, I hate heem! Watch how I torture heem!"

Living Deadpan 05-19-10 06:55 AM

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Ohh, I just remembered a great one:

VENOM (this Venom: http://blue-underground.com/product.php?product=11 ). The film is crap, but it is very entertaining to hear Piers Haggard talk about the constant screaming matches & obscenities spewed back and forth between Klaus Kinski & Oliver Reed. ("You fucking Nazi!" "You British ****!")
And some other unflattering behind-the-scenes info, like Klaus Kinski really hurting Susan George during their scenes together.
Poor Sterling Hayden just kept to himself and smoked pot in his trailer.

Cactus Jack 05-19-10 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by edwardnortonfan (Post 10139247)
The commentary for the movie "Cheerleader Massacre" bashes the movie for most of the running time. The director and one of the lead actresses basically mock the movie for two hours, and they each pause once during the commentary to answer their cellphones and have a conversation. It's both annoying and funny.

Oh God, I remember that movie! It had slipped my memory for so long, but that post has just made it all come flooding back! Gonna have to pick that one up.

Drake 05-19-10 07:56 AM

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James Ellroy in his hilariously profane commentary for Don Siegel's The Lineup
in the box set Columbia Pictures Film Noir Classics, Vol. 1.

One of the few times I have ever watched a film the whole way thru just to hear the commentary. I played this for my Brother in law and he enjoyed himself so much he wanted to watch it twice with the commentary!

JOKipper 05-19-10 06:23 PM

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Lust for a Vampire's commentary track has some good surprises. Jimmy Sangster bounces between apology and anger for having almost no control as director, while Suzanna Leigh and Marcus Hearn relate some unflattering but amusing stories about Terence Fisher dropping out of the film's production.

Type O Negative's commentary tracks for After Dark and Symphony for the Devil are hilarious as they make fun of each other and rip apart their own performances.

Another favorite of mine is the Oliver Stone Director's Cut commentary for Alexander, especially his reaction to the controversy as to whether the character was gay or not.

Rypro 525 06-08-10 11:10 PM

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one that come to mind that i havent seen yet, the theatrical version of daredevil (anything to a bad cgi backdrop, some of the dodgy cgi people, pointing out the editing fuck up where ben says a line twice but the first time is lipped, the constant battles over the costume color and more are discussed.) also in the commentary (which i am shocked they didn't mute it), during the scene/shot where Elektra has to building hop, Johnson made a joke saying 'yeah, we almost hired John Landis', and the other guy that was there kind of did an 'oh shit, well they'll edit it out, and mention what it referenced)


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