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grim_tales 11-10-06 01:11 PM

What do Pacific mean by calling the Paramount DVD of IAWL the "Checkpoint"? :confused:

http://www.dvdpacific.com/search.asp...Wonderful+Life

BuckNaked2k 11-10-06 01:17 PM


Originally Posted by grim_tales
What do Pacific mean by calling the Paramount DVD of IAWL the "Checkpoint"? :confused:

http://www.dvdpacific.com/search.asp...Wonderful+Life

That just means there's a security sticker somewhere within the packaging...usually one of those 'lil tabs you can pop off if accessible.

Wick 11-10-06 01:35 PM

I picked it up. It looks really nice, but I've yet to open it or watch it. I just watched it recently, or else I probably would open it and watch it this weekend. I'll probably just end up saving it until Christmas.

I think I'll just end up making it a tradition to watch this movie every Christmas.

bboisvert 11-10-06 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by PatrickMcCart
The Republic DVD isn't awful, but it has a huge amount of DVNR and some really bad compression in spots.

And some badly muffled audio, which (according to the Digital Bits) the Paramount release fixes.

grim_tales 11-10-06 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by BuckNaked2k
That just means there's a security sticker somewhere within the packaging...usually one of those 'lil tabs you can pop off if accessible.

Thanks :)

SIUmark 11-10-06 02:11 PM

I bought It's A Wonderful Life for the first time a couple days ago. I started watching it last night. It looks great so far. I heard a popping sound as young George goes to the back of the store to see Mr. Gower early in the movie. That's the only negative I have seen or heard so far.

grim_tales 11-16-06 02:30 PM

I ordered it from Pacific a couple of days ago.

weldon 11-30-06 04:04 PM

Any more reports on the improved quality? Those of you that had the previous release, are you happy with buying it again?

bboisvert 11-30-06 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by weldon
Any more reports on the improved quality? Those of you that had the previous release, are you happy with buying it again?

It's not an amazing revelation or anything... but the audio and video are both a noticable improvement over the previous edition.

If you're a casual fan, I'd say sticking with the Republic makes sense. If you're a major fan and/or anal about having the 'best' editions, Paramount is the way to go...

weldon 12-01-06 02:57 PM

Thanks, bboisvert. I've made up my mind to get it, especially when it's part of the 2 for $20 deal at Best Buy this week.

tbwmp88 12-02-06 04:10 PM

It's A Wonderful Life Colorized?
 
I recently saw Miracle on 34th Street in color and prefer it over the B&W version. Any plans or chance of a colorized It's A Wonderful Life?

Mr. Salty 12-02-06 04:20 PM

Heretic.

paulringodaman 12-02-06 07:03 PM

hahahahahaha

Cameron 12-02-06 08:25 PM

Let It Ensue

Why Must They Release Colorized Versions?

black and white movies in color on dvd?

The Cow 12-02-06 09:27 PM


Originally Posted by tbwmp88
I recently saw Miracle on 34th Street in color and prefer it over the B&W version. Any plans or chance of a colorized It's A Wonderful Life?

It has already been colorized by Turner, years ago. It's available on VHS and you can probably find that and some versions converted to DVD on eBay.

basaro 12-02-06 10:02 PM

Blasphemy!

SINGLE104 12-02-06 10:32 PM

NO! I strongly opposed the colorization of black and white movies, especially the classics. I want to remain seeing the black and white films the way they were originally meant to be seen, not colorized, which ruins the entire movie.

rdclark 12-02-06 11:16 PM

Growing up, I saw The Wizard of Oz multiple times on TV - a black and white TV.

I've been waiting for a b&w release of that movie on DVD forever.

To the original poster, what you do is while your black and white Wonderful Life is playing, you turn the tint on your TV all the way to green. Then put on a pair of those red and blue 3-D glasses. The next part takes practice: blink your left eye, then your right eye, then lift off the glasses, and repeat. Get the rate up to 30 changes per second, and voila! The movie is in color. Or you're in a coma. One or the other, I forget. Either way, you'll hear bells.

RichC

The Cow 12-02-06 11:52 PM


Originally Posted by SINGLE104
NO! I strongly opposed the colorization of black and white movies, especially the classics. I want to remain seeing the black and white films the way they were originally meant to be seen, not colorized, which ruins the entire movie.

As I pointed out, the answer is Yes.

BKMaggert 12-03-06 12:09 AM


Originally Posted by SINGLE104
NO! ...I want to remain seeing the black and white films the way they were originally meant to be seen, not colorized, which ruins the entire movie.

Meant to be seen? If they had the technology and the money, they would've been in color. They were "meant to be seen" in color. Sorry, that's a lame argument.

Should we not convert old, filmed TV shows to HD because they were "meant to be seen" in 480i? B.S.

I admit the original colorizing processes weren't all that great, but as technology progresses, colorizing will be indeterminable from movies made with color film.

Colorize them all at some point, and see them the way they were REALLY "meant to be seen." If you don't like it, turn off the color on your own set. One DVD works for all tastes.

mifuneral 12-03-06 12:18 AM

A lot of films ARE meant to be black and white. Just because you happen to like color films doesn't change that fact. Orson Welles fought for Citizen Kane to stay black and white and he wasn't the only director at the time to feel that way. There are plenty of films even in the modern era that are black and white for stylistic reasons. You can't say those were "meant to be in color."

SINGLE104 12-03-06 12:19 AM


Originally Posted by The Cow
As I pointed out, the answer is Yes.

The "no" was in reference to my dislike of colorization to black and white movies in general, not the colorized VHS release.

SINGLE104 12-03-06 12:34 AM


Originally Posted by BKMaggert
Meant to be seen? If they had the technology and the money, they would've been in color. They were "meant to be seen" in color. Sorry, that's a lame argument.

Well EVIDENTLY they didn't, so the movie was filmed in black and white, which technically the way it was meant to be seen...DUH

Originally Posted by BKMaggert
Colorize them all at some point, and see them the way they were REALLY "meant to be seen." If you don't like it, turn off the color on your own set. One DVD works for all tastes.

What hole did you crawl out of, and when were you hatched? Obviously, you don't know nothing about the originality of filmmaking.

PatrickMcCart 12-03-06 12:52 AM


Originally Posted by BKMaggert
Meant to be seen? If they had the technology and the money, they would've been in color. They were "meant to be seen" in color. Sorry, that's a lame argument.

Should we not convert old, filmed TV shows to HD because they were "meant to be seen" in 480i? B.S.

I admit the original colorizing processes weren't all that great, but as technology progresses, colorizing will be indeterminable from movies made with color film.

Colorize them all at some point, and see them the way they were REALLY "meant to be seen." If you don't like it, turn off the color on your own set. One DVD works for all tastes.

Actually, color was the novelty until the 1950s. It wasn't as if B&W movies were in B&W because it was cheaper. The studios made color films as very special occasions.

It's like saying that Da Vinci would have painted The Last Supper in Adobe Illustrator or Mozart would have composed his Requiem in ProTools. Well, they they didn't. You can create a "what if" like turning B&W into color, but you'd only be fooling yourself.

B&W is an artistic choice just as much as using charcoals on paper. So you don't have the full spectrum... it's not like it limits the artistry of the image.

The Cow 12-03-06 01:02 AM


Originally Posted by SINGLE104
The "no" was in reference to my dislike of colorization to black and white movies in general, not the colorized VHS release.

I don't recall the poster asking about your like/dislike of colorization to black and white movies in general.

The topic is:

"It's A Wonderful Life Colorized?" or more specifically "Any plans or chance of a colorized It's A Wonderful Life?"

Mr. Salty 12-03-06 01:03 AM


Originally Posted by BKMaggert
Meant to be seen? If they had the technology and the money, they would've been in color. They were "meant to be seen" in color. Sorry, that's a lame argument.

Sorry, but color did exist years before "It's a Wonderful Life" was made, but it was still made in black and white. It was therefore lit and photographed for black and white, which means artistic choices were made for that format. Colorizing the movie after the fact alters those choices. And who's to say what colors things should be since there is no way of knowing what color the costumes, etc., were?


Should we not convert old, filmed TV shows to HD because they were "meant to be seen" in 480i? B.S.
Apples and oranges, because film and television are different mediums. But if a TV show was shot on film, then it already exists in a higher-definition format than NTSC video. Black and white films do not exist somewhere in color, therefore yours is a specious argument.

SINGLE104 12-03-06 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by The Cow
I don't recall the poster asking about your like/dislike of colorization to black and white movies in general.

The topic is:

"It's A Wonderful Life Colorized?" or more specifically "Any plans or chance of a colorized It's A Wonderful Life?"

And I don't recall the postor asking for your criticism either, and I have the right to post and express my opinions, whether if you like it or not... So there!

TGM 12-03-06 08:15 AM

I agree that a colorized version of classic B&W's is somewhat of a sacrilege, but, ya know... its weird, sometimes, for me, I'll be in a mood to see a classic movie, but I'll also be in the mood to see it in color... so, I'd be down with a colorized "IAWL" on DVD... I'd just ask that if you are lending the movie to a friend to see for the 1st time, you give them the B&W version...

PatrickMcCart 12-03-06 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by Mr. Salty
Apples and oranges, because film and television are different mediums. But if a TV show was shot on film, then it already exists in a higher-definition format than NTSC video. Black and white films do not exist somewhere in color, therefore yours is a specious argument.

Exactly.

Colorization is just like pan & scan... it alters an image to make it more "palatable" to the viewer. Remastering a TV show shot in 35mm (or even 16mm) simply enhances the quality that has always been there.

"If these color-happy folks are so concerned about the audience, let them put their millions of dollars into new films, or let them remake old stories if they see fit, but let our great film artists and films live in peace. I urge everyone in the creative community to join in our efforts to discourage this terrible process." - James Stewart on colorization

Cameron 12-03-06 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by BKMaggert
Meant to be seen? If they had the technology and the money, they would've been in color. They were "meant to be seen" in color. Sorry, that's a lame argument.

Nope. Hitchcock shot Psycho in B&W because of the gore factor. He had previously shot in color, and went back to B&W.

certain clothes, lighting, cameras, etc. were all chosen as a result of B&W film. Colorization is bastardization, and any film fan who is worth their salt believes this as much as they believe in OAR.

kevkev 12-03-06 10:36 AM

i think the colour version of night of the living dead is ok. if the director went back and did it himself to a film he couldnt shoot in colour at the time that would be ok??

darkhawk 12-03-06 10:53 AM

Oh, let see, colorize Alfred Hitchock's Psycho. The shower scene. Hitchock used chocolate syrup to make it look like blood.

waylonsmithers 12-03-06 11:05 AM

So nice to see that threadcrapping is tolerated when it's an opinion that goes against the majority. In response to your question there are no studio produced colorized DVDs nor are there any current plans for to release a colorized version of wonderful life.

GuessWho 12-03-06 11:14 AM

When are the colorized Raging Bull & Schindler's Lists DVDs coming out?

rich-y 12-03-06 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by BKMaggert
Meant to be seen? If they had the technology and the money, they would've been in color. They were "meant to be seen" in color. Sorry, that's a lame argument.

You do realize that many directors and crews of B&W movies went to great lengths to provide their audiences with a beautiful B&W films that included a full range of contrast between the whites and blacks shown on screen?

They used special makeup on the actor's faces that if colorized today, in the true color used for the makeup, would make the actors appear to be ghastly fiends.

Even in later B&W films things are not quite what they seem. In the recently colorized Three Stooges films there is a set that contained all sorts of mispainted items (including a pot belly stove that was painted some god-awful color that you'd never see in the real world). This was all done to enhance the contrast and increase the B&W viewing experience.

These movies were indeed "meant to be seen" in B&W. It is not a lame argument.

However, I have no problem with colorization. I simply refuse to buy it.

kevkev 12-03-06 12:17 PM

am i the only person that hates all of hitchcocks films?
ok, the birds and vertigo are ok. but i find the so called suspense just boring.

eedoon 12-03-06 02:47 PM

Please do not colorize this thread with off-topic comment. Thank you! ;)

tbwmp88 12-03-06 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by The Cow
It has already been colorized by Turner, years ago. It's available on VHS and you can probably find that and some versions converted to DVD on eBay.

I saw the VHS awhile ago, but can't remember if I liked it better then the B&W. No thanks to anything converted from VHS to DVD.

tbwmp88 12-03-06 04:39 PM

I don't care if it's not the way it was meant to be seen or if one of my favorite movies goes from color to B&W or the other way around as long as it's more pleasing to my eyes. For all who hate colorization, if you watched Miracle on 34th Street in color and B&W, would you still prefer the B&W version?

SINGLE104 12-03-06 06:30 PM


Originally Posted by tbwmp88
I don't care if it's not the way it was meant to be seen or if one of my favorite movies goes from color to B&W or the other way around as long as it's more pleasing to my eyes. For all who hate colorization, if you watched Miracle on 34th Street in color and B&W, would you still prefer the B&W version?

If it's the original movie, (not the remake), then yes, I'll would still prefer the black and white.


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