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joliom 09-18-06 04:22 AM

Geez, that's a major letdown. What a wasted opportunity. At least now I can stop holding off on buying it. I'll just grab whichever if the two versions I can find cheapest come X-Mas time, I guess.

animatedude 09-18-06 09:09 AM

i dunno...i do have feelings it's a new transfer..

Davy Mack 09-18-06 01:59 PM

I think DVD compare mentioned the republic and artisan versions were the same, didn't mention Paramount...

hmm...

JuryDuty 09-23-06 09:19 AM

Well, that's encouraging news. LOL geez, you'd think Paramount would send out some sort of press release...this things coming out soon...

Cameron 09-23-06 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by honestjohn
According to Robert Harris who is usually "in the know", this IS going to be a new restored version. Of course some new Bonus Material would have been nice. Looks like it's time to get out the old double-dipper again, attaboy Paramount.

See link, post #17

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/...d.php?t=240489


It just says they have been doing work...doesn't state at all that it was for this dvd.

Cameron 09-23-06 04:16 PM

I'm sure he thought so as well...his post is from back in August, while the specs came out mid september. I would hope that it does carry over to the dvd, but i wouldn't expect it either. Seems that paramount is just doing a port.

Ambassador 09-24-06 10:51 AM

With all due respect, Mr. Harris is also just wrong sometimes....

(E.g., claims he made that Criterion's CANTERBURY TALE wasn't pictureboxed and that VCI has never issued a progressive transfer, etc.)

grim_tales 09-25-06 06:23 AM

Wasn't IAWL originally shot in 1.33/1? :confused:
It was made in 1945 and not many (not any?) films were made in Scope back then.

grim_tales 10-09-06 10:50 AM

Are there any reviews of this yet? :)

joliom 10-09-06 08:13 PM


Originally Posted by grim_tales
Wasn't IAWL originally shot in 1.33/1? :confused:
It was made in 1945 and not many (not any?) films were made in Scope back then.

It's OAR is 1.37:1. I think you're misunderstanding. We don't want it in anamorphic widescreen, just a remastered OAR transfer to improve on the current release. It looks like Paramount is merely porting over the old transfer rather than opting for a newly restored one. Kinda lame on their part if indeed it's true.

grim_tales 10-10-06 03:59 AM

I see your point :) However wasn't the "old" R1 transfer made from the original film negatives? The UK R2 looked even worse (it was taken from a video master AFAIK). Given the choice I'd go R1.

joliom 10-10-06 03:09 PM

Yeah the old transfer isn't bad, but considering this is a new release, and a "60th Anniversary Edition" at that, you'd think they'd prepare a brand new transfer down-converted from HD (and a full HD one for HD-DVD/Blu-Ray) to go with it. As it looks now, this is shaping up to be a pretty worthless "upgrade" which is a real shame considering that IaWL is one of the most beloved films in American cinematic history. Paramount is so lackluster when it comes to their classic catalog and their production of Special Edition DVD's. They're not the absolute worst studio out there, but put it this way: You know Warner Bros. would have had a field day with this title - a packed Two-Disc SE at the very least.

nitin77 10-26-06 06:24 AM

dvdbeaver says new transfer, that is also noticeably better in screenshots :

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCom...derfullife.htm

JuryDuty 10-26-06 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by nitin77
dvdbeaver says new transfer, that is also noticeably better in screenshots :

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCom...derfullife.htm

Hmmm...well, the stats show it has improved, but I have to say, I think I prefer the screenshots from the Republic version.

basaro 10-26-06 08:45 AM

^ Good find!
The transfer is new after all, but still no new extras.
At least they did something for this release, I'm not sure I'm going to get this right away though. Good to know anyway, thanks.

bboisvert 10-26-06 10:19 AM

I'd be curious to see if the audio has been improved at all. There are several moments (one obvious one about 12-13 mins into the film) where there is muffled sound in the Republic release. That could definitely use a good scrubbing, assuming the source is in adequate condition.

roger_d 10-26-06 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by JuryDuty
Hmmm...well, the stats show it has improved, but I have to say, I think I prefer the screenshots from the Republic version.


The Republic version is much better, I'm glad i got that one. Will not be upgrading to this new 60th anniversary.

BuckNaked2k 10-26-06 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by roger_d
The Republic version is much better, I'm glad i got that one. Will not be upgrading to this new 60th anniversary.

This is curious. I would have thought that Paramount's 60th release would have a better picture due to a higher average bitrate: 6.41 mb/s vs. the Republic version with a bitrate of 4.19 mb/s.

jonjj7 10-26-06 01:38 PM

From the screenshots the new one looks better to my eyes, but not enough to make me unhappy with the Republic DVD I own.

nitin77 10-26-06 05:37 PM

the new one appears to be sharper with better blacks, any particular reason people are saying the republic looks better ?

scrimshaw 10-26-06 08:01 PM

Because they want an excuse not to upgrade. The Paramount version is obviously better, just look at the newspaper text in the fifth series of screen captures. Not only is the Paramount version sharper, but the text is actually black as opposed to the gray of the Republic version. The reviewer also mentioned that the differences are more apparent while actually watching the movie.

animatedude 10-26-06 09:39 PM

is this the only movie by Frank Capra that paramount owns the rights to?

BuckNaked2k 10-27-06 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by scrimshaw
Because they want an excuse not to upgrade. The Paramount version is obviously better, just look at the newspaper text in the fifth series of screen captures. Not only is the Paramount version sharper, but the text is actually black as opposed to the gray of the Republic version. The reviewer also mentioned that the differences are more apparent while actually watching the movie.

I would tend to agree. From the Beaver review:

"...Good news is the transfer is superior - although these screen captures may not give it the credit it deserves.....the Paramount looks cleaner (less speckles), less digital noise, smoother and blacks are significantly more piercing. The boosted blacks bring up the detail to a small degree as well.....the 60th Anniversary shows more information - most notably on the side edges (in most sequences). Overall a better release in regards to image."
At $13.76, ($11.00 during DDD November sale), this upgrade is a no-brainer for me.

Van528 10-27-06 08:28 AM

The new Paramount version is definitley better, no question. If you love the film as I do you will want to upgrade. Also notice a little more to see on the sides which is also mentioned.

grim_tales 10-27-06 09:17 AM

Its $12.88 @ Pacific, shall I order from them?


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