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AllHallowsEve 01-16-06 01:23 AM

Are you a DVD "Customer" or DVD "Consumer"
 
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We are studying the subject of "customer" vs. "consumer"

I figured since I am into DVD's this would be a topic to cover for myself.

Are you a dvd customer or consumer?

Customer meaning you know exactly what you want. You build you collection around your likes and interests. You are not pressured by hype, tv ad's, others opinions, etc.

Consumer meaning purchasing event titles such as "Lord of the Rings", "Star Wars", "Seinfeld", etc., just for the sake of owning them even if you dont like them. Other examples include purchasing solely to impress others, gathering gigantic collections you never touch, buying new releases every single week without knowing anything about them, etc.

Personally, I used to be a big consumer. I don't very much care for shows like The Simpsons and Seinfeld, but bought them because they were hot titles. I really can't explain what came over me. It's like I saw others buying them on their release date so I had to have them too. I used to buy new releases without viewing all the time. I have really curbed this (mostly due to buying way too many movies that stunk), but understand the mentality.

Ravid 01-16-06 04:32 AM

By your definition I'm a customer.

Occasionally I'll browse the used stores for titles that grab my eye, but mostly I have an idea of what I'm going to buy before going to the store. I don't buy as a substitute for renting. This doesn't mean that I don't blind buy, but I reserve for blind buys the films that I'm fairly certain I'll like a lot. I don't buy DVDs unless I'm pretty sure I'm going to watch it a few times. And I definitely don't buy DVDs just because everyone else buys them.

teamwinfan 01-16-06 05:16 AM

A little from column a, a little from column b.. I buy most things around my collection interests... but I am a total opinion whore and wouldn't hesitate to buy a film that has been praised by a lot of people without knowing too much about it, but I still try to do research on titles to make sure the movies will be of at least some interest. I also have a huge collection that is comprised of a lot of sealed DVDs, but this is more because I haven't gotten around to watching them or never seem to be in the mood to watch. Lord of the Rings was a perfect example.. I own all three of the extended sets, sealed.. just because I never feel like sitting around to watch one for 4 hours. One of these days I'll have a huge geek-out marathon and watch all three though...

movieguru 01-16-06 06:53 AM

Well rather than going to the movies a lot a just buy the DVD so I can veiw the movie. Don't know which category that would fit under.

ShallowHal 01-16-06 06:54 AM

I seriously doubt anyone will post that they buy DVDs to impress people, even if they do. ;)

The Bus 01-16-06 07:40 AM

I buy whatever threads in this forum suggest I should. When some says a bon mot at my expense, my comeback is always "But I have ____ DVDs!"

slowcloud 01-16-06 07:44 AM


Originally Posted by ShallowHal
I seriously doubt anyone will post that they buy DVDs to impress people, even if they do. ;)

True, true. It's like asking if you are an astute, intelligent free-thinking individual or a dumb-ass braying sheep. I personally think I'm the former.

GIjon213 01-16-06 08:05 AM

I would have to say Customer. Every movie in my collection is a movie that I like. Rarely do I blind buy, and when I do it is only if the genre is one to my liking, or, friends and/or critics who I trust and I believe have the same taste in cinema as I do highly recommend it. I would say that 60% of my buying is new releases of movies I have seen and have enjoyed. 35% would be movies I have seen in the theatre and have enjoyed. And the remaining 5% would be blind buys from recommendations.

Deadman36g 01-16-06 08:12 AM

Ok, I will be honest...

When I first started collecting I was 100% customer. I would say the the first 300 dvd's I bought were this way. But last year this all changed I started making more money, dvd prices started going down and I started making about 7-10 blind buys per week.

Now I did do research of course, I would read up on the film, check DVD-Compare to make sure there wasn't a better version of the movie on a different region, and if it had a 7.0 rating or higher on IMDB.com it was mine.

Matthew Zolton 01-16-06 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by slowcloud
True, true. It's like asking if you are an astute, intelligent free-thinking individual or a dumb-ass braying sheep. I personally think I'm the former.

For the record, I am a dumb-ass braying sheep....

But, I am a dumb-ass braying sheep who is a customer, not a consumer. I have a relativly small DVD collection (I think around 150+), and have a a specific list of titles I am interested in. Hell, I even trade or sell movies that I love, if I haven't, or don't forsee watching them again for a long while (like right now I'm trying to get rid of my LOTR EE, because I don't think that I will sit down and ever watch them again, even though they are REALLY cool sets, and look great.

I think that there are a lot of consumers on this website that will never admit it. It is tough for me to believe that anyone can have 1500+ DVDs, but be defined as a customer (unless your "very specific goal" is to own every DVD on the market).

ShallowHal 01-16-06 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by Matthew Zolton
I think that there are a lot of consumers on this website that will never admit it. It is tough for me to believe that anyone can have 1500+ DVDs, but be defined as a customer (unless your "very specific goal" is to own every DVD on the market).

Age is a big factor, though. Someone who is 35 or 40 has seen alot more movies than I have, just like I've seen more than your average 18 year old. I'm not a big fan of 80's comedies, but someone 10 years old can love them because they grew up with them, and then also like the slew of unrated comedies out today.

I could easily own 500 DVDs, so it's not a stretch to think someone 10 or 20 years old can own 1500. Whether they'll ever watch them all is another story, though. :D

speedy1961 01-16-06 09:26 AM

Heck.... I'm 44 and I own over 4000 DVDs.

But based on your criteria, I fall into the Customer category.

natevines 01-16-06 09:35 AM

Consumer, easily

Altimus Prime 01-16-06 09:37 AM

By the definition, and in comparison to the majority here, I'm a customer.

In these parts, my DVD "collection" is not one at all, and pitifully small. But to others in the general public, ie the "real world," my collection is very large.

I don't do blind buys. I buy not only what I like, but what I will watch, and watch more than once. Price also factors in. So, to buy, I need to like it, want to watch it, and get a deal. It has to be worth my time, and the space on the shelf. Otherwise, I don't buy.

MovieExchange 01-16-06 09:56 AM

I'm a collector. I buy what I want to buy.

lordwow 01-16-06 10:13 AM

Customer.

icruise 01-16-06 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by ShallowHal
I'm not a big fan of 80's comedies, but someone 10 years old can love them because they grew up with them, and then also like the slew of unrated comedies out today.

I wouldn't think very many 10-year-olds grew up with 80s comedies...

Anyway, I'm mostly a "customer" but I have a weakness for cheap DVDs, especially TV DVDs. So I will buy sets of TV shows that I don't love just because they are cheap. I won't get things that I have no interest in or actively dislike, but I have gotten a number of things that were firmly in the "sort of like" category. But with the recent sales, I figure it's worth getting some of these things even if you only watch them once (especially since we don't have cable or any kind of TV in our house).

Holysmoker 01-16-06 10:24 AM

I'm a customer. I don't blind buy. However, I have double-dipped.

iamnothitler 01-16-06 10:58 AM

Following your definitions...
I was a customer until I first started looking at DVD Talk, when I definitely became a consumer for a while. I was even blind-buying Criterions, which I consider the apex of consumerism. Having passed that initial rush, I'm just a customer again.

NatL 01-16-06 11:41 AM

When I first started buying, I considered myself a customer. But looking back, I realize that I was a consumer. Not the "impress my friends" part, but to have the latest releases, sure. Any early adopter knows the difference between the DVD world then and now - the latest releases were really exciting! And we couldn't even rent at first...

At a certain point, though, I looked at my collection and despite having bought every movie "because I liked it," I realized I had put a lot of investment into a lot of movies that I didn't really care that much about. I'd have a movie, for instance, that if I ever really cared about watching again I could always rent it. But it meant nothing to me to buy it and own it.

So I proceeded to start weeding out and selling. Now, a couple of years later, I have really sold out a lot of that "chaff" and replaced it with movies at the right value to me. I can say no to a movie that I might even like a lot because I know that in the long run it just won't be a collector's item to me.

I can't really fathom owning 1000's of DVD's because I can't imagine them all having value - I'd feel spread to thin. Heck, I own close to 300 and am feeling that it is too many! I understand why people do, I guess, but it's definitely not me.

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majorjoe23 01-16-06 12:32 PM

I get to be the first to say "Nice bargain."?

illennium 01-16-06 12:38 PM

I have exactly zero interest in DVD as a medium that allows me to own movies that I already like. To me, collecting just the movies one has seen is consumerism (not to mention irrational--nobody limits themselves to films they've already seen when going to the movies, for example). I "blind buy" almost exclusively--at least 75% of my collection consists of blind buys. I don't keep what I don't like (I always break even on the sale, thus eliminating the need to rent), but I also don't limit myself to buying what I've seen--one's tastes are constantly evolving, and to me DVD is a medium that facilitates expansion of taste, rather than simply allowing one to own/collect whatever movies one happened to see in another format in one's lifetime.

I think there's a big difference between this type of informed blind buying and the kind the OP is hinting at, even though by his definition this is considered consumerism because it relies on the opinions and recommendations of film critics and to a lesser extent on the studio name on the case (e.g., I am much more likely to buy a Criterion title because they have proven themselves time and again in selecting which films to release and in providing those films with interesting supplements).

In sum, I don't think the question as posed will yield much salient information.

Matthew Zolton 01-16-06 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by ShallowHal
Age is a big factor, though. Someone who is 35 or 40 has seen alot more movies than I have, just like I've seen more than your average 18 year old. I'm not a big fan of 80's comedies, but someone 10 years old can love them because they grew up with them, and then also like the slew of unrated comedies out today.

I could easily own 500 DVDs, so it's not a stretch to think someone 10 or 20 years old can own 1500. Whether they'll ever watch them all is another story, though. :D

Yeah, I kindof agree, but I think that your second paragraph is more what I am aiming at. Sure, if I purchased every movie that I liked I could have a massive collection, but my standards for purchasing movies is a little higher than "I remember liking that film, so I will buy it" (even if I never watch the DVD). With a collection of 1500+ DVDs it is hard for me to believe that someone has watched all of those DVDs and REALLY hard for me to belive that someone has watched all those movies more than once.

I personally don't know how someone is anything but a consumer when they buy tons of items that they either have never used, or will probably never use more than once.

This is my opinion though, so I understand that people think differently. I'm not meaning to attack anyone. But the idea of spending that much money on something that just looks nice on a shelf is kindof mind-boggling to me.

Of course I guess that maybe there are people that have THAT much time to watch movies, but I can't imaging ever having that much time.

mr_jbloggs 01-16-06 12:47 PM

I had momentarily lost control and became a consumer when I bought Donnie Crappo (IMHO) based on peoples opinons here, then quickly regained control after that.

GameGenie 01-16-06 01:06 PM

definently customer but sometimes when all the consumers get something i usually check it out.

OldBoy 01-16-06 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by MovieExchange
I'm a collector. I buy what I want to buy.

what he said!

JohnnyDrama2006 01-16-06 01:31 PM

Customer. I have over 2000 DVDs but by the definitions in the original post I am most certainly not a "consumer." Personally I can't fathom why anyone, regardless of their financial standing, would waste money on films just because the "in" crowd likes them.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying we shouldn't be open to try new things or pick up recommendations from friends both online and off but if I'm not a fan of "X" actor or "Y" genre then I don't care how much group "A" loves the film I'm not going to purchase it just to be one of the crowd. Now if I research it and it looks like something that, despite my typical tastes, I might be interested in then I'll give it a try.

In terms of being a consumer and buying all the "cool" DVDs left and right I have to wonder what's the point?? Who would really care?? Who is truly impressed by a DVD collection in ones house. Sure if you have dozens upon dozens of discs your family/friends will likely be impressed but I doubt any of them have ever gone over ones collection and analyzed their tastes with a fine tooth comb. If I was dead set on impressing someone via material possessions DVDs would be the last place I looked, I can't see too many people getting lucky with "hey baby wanna come over and see how big and hot my DVD collection is!!!"

I'm always happy to blind buy, to try new things, and to take recommendations to heart but I'll never be one to purchase solely because "other" people like it.

Cinemaddiction 01-16-06 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by Xiroteus
My guess, only someone who would want a large collection as well.

My only thought to a large movie collection is what is the point? it is not likely they will ever see all the films again, and less likely each time they purchase a new movie.

(Not that a large collection looks bad, if it is right for the owner of the collection.)

Ditto, and I consider myself a customer. That said, I've been known to execute a few blind buys as of late, but at these prices, how can I afford not to? Case in point, I found Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law Vol. 1 this morning, a 2 disc set, for $4 ($20 @ Amazon)


I own 550, and I prune and add weekly, determined by what I have seen and wish to watch again, and the current retail worth, because I'll sell/trade to pick up other titles I know I'll want to hang onto.

marcellusk 01-16-06 02:27 PM

Both...but more of a customer.

gutwrencher 01-16-06 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by ShallowHal
I seriously doubt anyone will post that they buy DVDs to impress people, even if they do. ;)

I don't buy to impress....but what I buy and how I build the library impresses the shit outta people.:lol:

Guess I'm a customer. However, I'm doing something rare. I'm actually building a library of personal faves and essentials. Therefore, I end up with a few milkduds that may not be faves....but important anyway. For example....I love Fulci...but many of his films are crap...in their own sweet way. Since I am a Fulci completist....I must have them in the library as at least a reference tool.

Please add a third choice...like dvd slut. We are in a world of our own.:thumbsup:


My only thought to a large movie collection is what is the point?
rotfl

Having all your faves at your fingertips for enjoyment and research. Thats what a library is for.

gutwrencher 01-16-06 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by JohnnyDrama2006
Who is truly impressed by a DVD collection in ones house.

Well, the New York Times sent a reporter and a photodude to my house a few years back for a big layout....guess they were a little turned on by the whole concept.:lol:

Those crazy kids!

dvd_luver 01-16-06 02:55 PM

I think all dvd buyers are a cross between being considered a Customer/Consumer. Not just one or the other. In the end, how I have always seen it, if you have the intent to buy something, that is consuming period. It just depends on how far you take it. So, I am going to say that I am a little bit of both Customer/Consumer.

Linko 01-16-06 03:32 PM

Definitely a customer. Before I even started collecting DVDs I made a Wish List of about 300 DVDs at that time that I wanted and then over time added more to it as I reached that goal. I've had a good share of blind buys but they were movies I had always wanted to see. I won't buy something because someone tells me it's good. I research it and decide if I want to buy it, usually renting it first.

Ravid 01-16-06 03:36 PM

My blind buys are mostly films and TV shows that I've wanted to see (to some degree) and/or have heard very good things about from people I trust, often combined with good prices.

matome 01-16-06 04:54 PM

Customer, though the thought of having an incomplete TV series on shelf doesn't fly with me for some reason, so I get all of those.

gutwrencher 01-16-06 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by Xiroteus
To the point where it would take twenty four hours a day for six months to a year to view the entire collection?

No need to slam the shit down my throat every minute of the day. Whats the hurry? The public library has books and music that has not been loved(checked out) in years. Does this mean they are worthless? Nope....'cause someone will want them at some point...be it tomorrow or in 2 years.

I bought the Kinski bio book a few days ago and while I was reading it....I really wanted to reference a few scenes from some of his films. My library of faves makes this task an absolute pleasure.

Cinemaddiction 01-16-06 05:19 PM

I also forgot, there are going to be a FEW titles in there that I like moderately, and may have gotten on the cheap merely for entertaining guests, etc.

marty888 01-16-06 05:23 PM


Originally Posted by gutwrencher
Please add a third choice...like dvd slut. We are in a world of our own.:thumbsup:



OMG - finally someplace where I can fit in!

gutwrencher 01-16-06 05:46 PM


Originally Posted by Xiroteus
I wonder how they have the time to view what they just purchased along with rentals...

Rent? Please do not use foul words like that....I never rent.:D


regular telelvision programs
I really only viddey HD programming on TV. Oh sure.....some sports are not in HD but I do watch anyway. I will NOT watch a film with TV programming unless it's HD. Maybe a little news and a few HD primetime shows but other than that....dvds for the most part.


the films they own
I watch a fairly regular rotation of my titles. Usually it's at least 1 new release a day followed by 2 catalog titles.....depending on how thick the new stack is. Not always, but I try to get in 3 a day and more during my marathons which now happen once a month.


along with work,
I own my own biz and schedule my own jobs/hours. I usually take Super Tuesday off when there are solid new releases. After my kind of brutal 10+ hour workdays...all my throbbing body can do is sit in the lazyboy....twist a fatty and viddey films till I puke.


personal life
What personal life?:lol:

Oh yeah...our kids are out of the house and we are in our 40's. My wife and I LOVE watching films. Many times we will trade off and I'll give her the theater and I'll take the upstairs viddey room and we will watch our own selections. She HATES seeing nuns get raped...and me grabbin' my crotch rocket.-rolleyes-:lol:

Our personal life is fine....plenty of time to whatever we want. So sad....my kayaking trips to the boundry waters will take up a lot of time this summer.:thumbsup:


computer time
Ehh....maybe an hour or less each day....at least right now. Many times that means 5min every few hours or so.:lol:


reading
I read every night when I hit the sack. Every night.

So see...time is like $. You can manage it with ease.

Emma311 01-16-06 06:34 PM

According to your description I'm a customer. I normally buy movies that I've already seen atleast once & know I'll want to see again. Usually if I blind buy something it's because one of my favorite actors is in it & it's cheap. I think that there are a lot of what you're calling consumers on here because I always read tons of people on here talking about buying tons of the new releases that come out & I can't fathom them liking all of them.


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