New DRM Scheme Could Make Current DVD Players Obsolete
01-10-05 | 08:05 AM
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New DRM Scheme Could Make Current DVD Players Obsolete
More proof on how much they care about YOU and another for all "piracy is immoral" folks:
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...1748511,00.asp
Hewlett-Packard and Philips said Wednesday that they have developed a content-protection system for DVDs, designed to protect users from burning "protected" DTV broadcasts. The encryption system will be built into next-generation DVD players as well as media.
Without a player and disc using the new Video Content Protection Scheme (VTCS), DVD burners won't be able to record digital video under the new regulations. That will mean that the enormous installed base of DVD players and burners may be forced into obsolescence, executives said.
The new Video Content Protection Scheme scheme is designed to work hand-in-glove with the new FCC "broadcast flag" initiative, scheduled to begin on July 1, 2005. The FCC wants to try and protect content from being passed indiscriminately among private individuals via the Internet and other means. VCTS has been approved by the FCC, the CableLabs consortium of cable providers, and is under consideration by the Japanese ARIB standards body.
Even the VCTS solution is not foolproof, however.
For example, the VCTS the DRM solution will only work with the single- and dual-layer versions of DVD+R and DVD+RW media, not the "-R" counterparts. Furthermore, analog video will not require the protection scheme, meaning that video stored on analog VCRs could be free of the copyright restrictions. On the other hand, if either digital video or a digital connection is used, the VCTS scheme will be used. That will also include PCs, where content could be piped over the Internet.
"The primary goal if you read FCC regulations is to create a situation where it is not possible to randomly, indiscriminately distribute content over something," said Kevin Saldanha, HP's DVD+RW program manager, speaking at a press conference here.
For example, the system is designed to prevent users watching a locally "blacked out" football game in New York from viewing a video stream sent to them from friends in California, who are not subject to the blackout restrictions.
The VCTS scheme will also be built into next-generation media, which will slowly replace the non-DRM encoded DVD+R discs over time. The new discs will be somewhat more expensive than their DRM-free counterparts, explained Jun Ishihara, a product manager for Mitsubishi Chemical Media Co., also known as Verbatim. Likewise, the new players will probably be priced somewhat higher than conventional players, HP executives said, although pricing will be up to individual manufacturers.
Without a player and disc using the new Video Content Protection Scheme (VTCS), DVD burners won't be able to record digital video under the new regulations. That will mean that the enormous installed base of DVD players and burners may be forced into obsolescence, executives said.
The new Video Content Protection Scheme scheme is designed to work hand-in-glove with the new FCC "broadcast flag" initiative, scheduled to begin on July 1, 2005. The FCC wants to try and protect content from being passed indiscriminately among private individuals via the Internet and other means. VCTS has been approved by the FCC, the CableLabs consortium of cable providers, and is under consideration by the Japanese ARIB standards body.
Even the VCTS solution is not foolproof, however.
For example, the VCTS the DRM solution will only work with the single- and dual-layer versions of DVD+R and DVD+RW media, not the "-R" counterparts. Furthermore, analog video will not require the protection scheme, meaning that video stored on analog VCRs could be free of the copyright restrictions. On the other hand, if either digital video or a digital connection is used, the VCTS scheme will be used. That will also include PCs, where content could be piped over the Internet.
"The primary goal if you read FCC regulations is to create a situation where it is not possible to randomly, indiscriminately distribute content over something," said Kevin Saldanha, HP's DVD+RW program manager, speaking at a press conference here.
For example, the system is designed to prevent users watching a locally "blacked out" football game in New York from viewing a video stream sent to them from friends in California, who are not subject to the blackout restrictions.
The VCTS scheme will also be built into next-generation media, which will slowly replace the non-DRM encoded DVD+R discs over time. The new discs will be somewhat more expensive than their DRM-free counterparts, explained Jun Ishihara, a product manager for Mitsubishi Chemical Media Co., also known as Verbatim. Likewise, the new players will probably be priced somewhat higher than conventional players, HP executives said, although pricing will be up to individual manufacturers.
01-10-05 | 08:24 AM
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I mean seriously... the media costs more, the players cost more, the current install base is gone, and it's not foolproof. How appealing is this to the consumer? Zero. Who the hell is going to be the first company to test those waters?
01-10-05 | 09:30 AM
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just another reason to stick with -R.
01-10-05 | 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Trigger
I mean seriously... the media costs more, the players cost more, the current install base is gone, and it's not foolproof. How appealing is this to the consumer? Zero. Who the hell is going to be the first company to test those waters?
This is why I feel no sympathy for them when it comes to piracy.
Piracy may be illegal, but for reasons like these (and plenty others), it is not immoral.
01-10-05 | 10:47 AM
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I just love how over the past 30 years people have been recording tv shows and specials on tape to keep w/o much of a care in the industry, but as soon as you start recording stuff with a DVDR or your computer it is piracy. Hypocrites.
01-10-05 | 01:57 PM
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Haha. I bet if they do roll this out hackers will defeat it before these players hit the show room floor.
This is the kind of thing that fuels them and makes them want to do it.
Piracy has gotten to the point that it is something that consumers want. It is not limited to "geeks" and hackers but has spread to the general population. It is starting to mimick the music industry.
One of the big differences though is I think the economic impact of movie piracy is exagerated. Every person I know that does it still buy DVDs and still go to the movies. The only reason they wouldn't spend the money is because of being more selective in their selection or the rise in ticket prices.
This is the kind of thing that fuels them and makes them want to do it.
Piracy has gotten to the point that it is something that consumers want. It is not limited to "geeks" and hackers but has spread to the general population. It is starting to mimick the music industry.
One of the big differences though is I think the economic impact of movie piracy is exagerated. Every person I know that does it still buy DVDs and still go to the movies. The only reason they wouldn't spend the money is because of being more selective in their selection or the rise in ticket prices.
01-10-05 | 02:41 PM
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This isn't even really tom combat piracy in the sense we normally think of it since it's a content management system designed to prevent people from recording digital broadcast television rather than prerecorded movies, etc.
For an example, let's suppose I have a friend who works Sunday nights, so I record Desperate Housewives every week for her and we get together during the week at her place and watch the recording. This system would prevent that.
This would likely even prevent one from recording something in the bedroom and watching it in the living room.
For an example, let's suppose I have a friend who works Sunday nights, so I record Desperate Housewives every week for her and we get together during the week at her place and watch the recording. This system would prevent that.
This would likely even prevent one from recording something in the bedroom and watching it in the living room.
01-10-05 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Class316
It's not appealing to the consumer. That's the whole point. They don't CARE about the consumer. If they could make things worse for the consumer in a way that the consumer would not notice they'd do it in a heartbeat!
This is why I feel no sympathy for them when it comes to piracy.
Piracy may be illegal, but for reasons like these (and plenty others), it is not immoral.
This is why I feel no sympathy for them when it comes to piracy.
Piracy may be illegal, but for reasons like these (and plenty others), it is not immoral.
01-10-05 | 07:11 PM
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For example, the system is designed to prevent users watching a locally "blacked out" football game in New York from viewing a video stream sent to them from friends in California, who are not subject to the blackout restrictions.
Years ago I welcomed the idea of recording shows to DVD. Now most channels are littered with commercials and logos that fly across the screen and shows are either cut or speeded up or compressed I wouldn't even want to waste a blank dvd on it anymore.
01-10-05 | 11:29 PM
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Just think about the cost of developing this stuff...
Here's an idea lets take all the $$ that they dump into R&D/roll-out and lower the buying $$ of Cable & DVD's to the point its actualy stupid not to buy the original!!!!!!!!
problem fixed............
Here's an idea lets take all the $$ that they dump into R&D/roll-out and lower the buying $$ of Cable & DVD's to the point its actualy stupid not to buy the original!!!!!!!!
problem fixed............
