Hey, it's Hollywood, I mean, Hollyweta. PJ took liberal interpretations and side dialogues that were never in the original LOTR, so who knows?

In the EE, in Aragorn's mind strong doubt about Frodo and Arwen was implanted in Aragorn's mind (the two most important people in his life). In effect all hope for Middle Earth and everything he cared became much more precarious due to the Palantir and MoS scene.

In the theatrical cut the scene was basically about trying to buy Frodo some time.

In the EE its much clearer that this scene is also about Aragorn. His ability to fight through his doubts. His strong belief in Frodo and for Arwen. (When Aragorn, beheads the MoS I felt his anger and frustration. It wasn't "noble" or "Jedi-like" but very human.*) The following scenes when Aragorn gives a rousing speech to his troops, the look he gives towards the fellowship then says, "For Frodo" before rushing alone towards the orcs. Much more powerful in the EE because of the Palantir and MoS.


*When I saw this I noticed how its exactly the opposite of Lucas' Politically Correct revision of Greedo shooting before Han Solo in SW. Look its clear both MoS and Greedo are scum bags. Take out the trash.

In regards to the Mouth of Sauron scene, I also noted the lack of a body on the ground after Aragorn sliced-off the Mouth's head and they began heading back to their group.

In regards to Liv Tyler, I think she did a fine job. As someone mentioned earlier, her role was not a difficult one to act.

Anyway, I enjoyed the EE version of all three movies over their theatrical counterpart.

Ahh yes. More bellyaching.

I enjoy reading LOTR over and over again. And now I will enjoy watching LOTR EE's over and over again. Most of the complaints have been Red Herrings as far as I'm concerned and by people who think LOTR "belongs to them" because they know this and that detail. The movies were true to Tolkien's spirit and that's why so many Tolkien fans have enjoyed it.

This is a movie adaptation of a book. Although, if my Unabridged AudioBook set of Rob Inglis reading LOTR aloud was changed in that manner I'd be as cynical as some people here. Again, its an adaptation people. Not everything is gonna be the same in a 9 or 11 hour movie. Compare that to Rob Inglis reading the complete LOTR aloud on all 46 CD's takes 52 hours. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books

What do you expect? Things are gonna be compressed, changed, or left out.

Next time another one of my favorite books is adapted into a movie I can only hope it approaches the same level as LOTR.

Got at least 2 eggs for you if you havn't figured them out yet.. both are the exact same.
Just goto the scene selection on disc 1 or disc 2 and goto the last set of chapters.. on the list on the left hit down past the last chapter and a ring will be highlighted. Click and viola. First disc is an interview with elijah wood and he doesn't know who the interviewer is (dominic monahan) and the disc 2 one is Vince Vaughn and Ben Stiller pitching a Lord of the Rings 4 to Peter Jackson.. both very funny.

sorry if this was already posted as i didn't read all the threads in here

already submitted these to the DVdtalk easteregg database but they aren't accepted yet

Nice.
I've gotta try these. Thanks.

Just got done watching all three EE's Back-to-Back-to-Back.

My brain hurts, but it was fun.

IanH,

And you bring up a good point. I read that PJ has around 80hrs of footage from the trilogy. There is so much more which was filmed, but was not added. Maybe someday there can be an even longer version.

Daaaammm!
All in one day?

That would be something. Although I dont' know how well it would play out as a film if they added all that. But more importantly I'm sure a lot of their choices in the way they wrote, edited, and basically put the story together for the film would be very different if PJ, Fran, and Phillipa knew they had 80 + hours to work with; or even 15 hours.

You know, I have a feeling in about 10 years or so PJ may go back and try to add, re-edit and even digitally alter some scenes because if you hear their audio commentary there seems to be quite a few things that they would change if they had more time. They had Theatrical and EE DVD deadlines to hold this time. I'm very happy with the EE version I have now and if this is the only version we'll ever see, that would be fine for me as well. But, it would be interesting to see how it might be tweaked.

I think it was one of the DVD extras of the TTT EE edition DVDs where PJ or one of the editors mentions how much film they actually have. All I know is, I was shocked to hear to so much footage was made.

I'm also one to believe we will see a massive LOTR cut in the far future. Maybe like 2008 or something. I am still really impressed with the film overall, and the "overhead flying CG" effects were just amazing. I could watch just the effects for hours because it's so realistic. Especially the Minas Tirith flyovers. I can't wait to get a widescreen and just program A-B repeat on my DVD player.

will PJ remake the LOTR trilogy again later on?

I was just watching TTT:EE supplements last night and the editors were talking about editing the battle at Helm's Deep. They said they kept adding more scenes and it made it worse and worse. They realized that more isn't necessarily better. I think that's important to remember. There are some characterization scenes I'd like to see, some more dialogue from the book I'd like to see added, but in general I think it'd be dangerous to add much more than is there now. You risk too many scenes like the confrontation of the Corsairs, which doesn't really add anything of value to the film and possibly takes something away.

In the commentary track for the ROTK, he explains that in the demise of Saruman scene there was even more footage to that scene (not reinstated into the EE) as well. Not that every scene should get thrown back in, but I would love to see a disc detailing the number of scenes that fell to the cutting room floor, notably the scene where Eowyn is getting stalked by the orc (seen in a few teasers/trailers for "The Two Towers").

I think when they say they have 80 hours of footage, they're counting all the various takes of each scene (different inflections on words, flubbed lines, bloopers, etc). I reeeeally doubt they mean they shot 80 hours of unique storyline footage.

I'm so excited for work to end today. I finally have the chance to watch it and nothing is going to stop me. So, how is the extra footage?

Yes, I agree, and maybe I was wording this wrong. However, I do think there are at least about 5-10 hours of scenes which are totally new. From listening and reading the interviews, some of the Weta guys are implying if they were to include the added footage, the LOTR trilogy would almost double in size. I need to watch some of those extras again.

Didn't every actor in the film wear a wig?

I agree. As far as the major battles and individual fight scenes the movies are already much more detailed than the book. The book never goes into as much detail as the movie does. Tolkien tends to describe the battles in pretty broad strokes, like a historical text. Instead of battle scenes, more character moments and dialog directly from the book would be great. And as the EE proves those added character moments really helps to fill out and make sense of a lot of scenes in the Theatrical version that played a little flat.

But you're right, once you start tacking on stuff it can mess with the flow of what was already shot and edited since it wasn't made with those additions in mind. They would risk too many repetitive scenes and clunky additions that disturbs the natural rhythm which is unique to every movie. Its already apparent in the EE that PJ's struggle between making a Theatrical cut and the EE makes some transitions not as smooth as it could be.

Movie audiences in general tend to have shorter attentions spans and aren't as patient in figuring what's going on in the narrative than people who read books.
What we've been suggesting is a version for hardcore Tolkien fans that general audiences would never have the patience to sit through. (The EE's are already considered too daunting even for people who were willing to watch the Theatrical versions) Who would finance such a project? I doubt there would be enough harcore Tolkien fans out there so they could break even.

My friends and I watched all 3 EEs back to back to back saturday along with cooking up some conies, po-tay-toes and lembas bread. heres the story about it:link to page

While I don't really want longer cuts of these films, I would really like to see a disc or two (maybe on the next format's EE release?) of the best of the remaining cut scenes. That way the pacing wouldn't be messed with, and fans could see Eowyn and Faramir's wedding, Aragorn being fitted with Gondorian armor, Gimli in the Glittering Caves, Legolas in Fangorn, Easterlings in battle, Eowyn fighting an Uruk, Sauron the Fair, Sauron setting Elendil on fire, etc., as well as bloopers.

There have also been rumors (dating back to the theatrical release of Fellowship) that PJ filmed a lot of R-rated material for the fights. At that time, people were speculating if the EEs would be R. I even recall PJ saying that they were adding so many hacked limbs and decapitations to Helm's Deep that TTT:EE would likely be R. Obviously that didn't happen, but it makes me wonder if we might get an R-rated Extended Edition cut on a future format. While I don't think the first two movies necessarily need to be harder in terms of violence, there are times when Pelennor Fields seems just a tad watered down from what it could be. This might also be why the Easterlings (which were filmed, based on evidence in a film weaponry book) were cut from ROTK--because close-range human vs. human violence would warrant an R more than long-range human vs. human violence (the Haradrim) or human vs. creature violence (pretty much everything else in ROTK).

Good points Duder, and I also wanted to see more of Sauron. Maybe this would be taking liberties with the film, but the whole trilogy, at least in my eyes, was centered around Sauron, and defeating him. I was kind of hoping for more history and scenes about Sauron in the FOTR, and since we saw some of Gollum/Smeagle in the beginning of ROTK, I was thinking maybe more scenes of Sauron, but it never happened.

Yup... Except PJ's son, playing a hobbit kid listening to Bilbo's story about the trolls. The only real hair in the trilogy.

Lord of the Rings Disco??

Frodisco. Another porn take-off.