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sb5 10-26-07 02:40 AM


Originally Posted by slop101
Do you even know what you're talking about? You can't make a movie that is 1:66 anamorphic without cutting into the image.

Yes you can. There are several anamorphic 1.66:1 DVD's (Rear Window and Army of Darkness, for example). I'm pretty sure it's just a matter of pillar boxing the image (someone with more knowledge can elaborate/correct me if I'm wrong).

PatrickMcCart 10-26-07 02:44 AM


Originally Posted by slop101
Do you even know what you're talking about? You can't make a movie that is 1:66 anamorphic without cutting into the image. Making a 1:85 ratio out of BL would cut off a lot of information from the meticulously set up shots. Your desires are no different than of those that want full-screen versions of movies shot in widescreen - just to fill your screen, but damn the image.

1.66:1 anamorphic results in pillarboxing on the sides. It's like how a 2.35:1 image is letterboxed in the 16x9 frame, except the black bars are on the sides. This is how the new A Clockwork Orange DVD is handled. There's a ton of title out there with 1.66:1 anamorphic widescreen, even a few others from WB (Friendly Persuasion, released back in '01, is 1.66:1 16x9).

Also, the 2001 DVD for Barry Lyndon is absolutely stunning. If it were a non-anamorphic DVD with an older transfer (like the one used for the 1999 DVD), that would be a problem. Since it's 1.66:1, the resolution difference isn't that big of a deal like a 1.85:1 film or 2.35:1. Now, for HD, that's where the big difference would be.

Chill Pill 10-26-07 03:02 AM


Originally Posted by sb5
Yes you can. There are several anamorphic 1.66:1 DVD's (Rear Window and Army of Darkness, for example). I'm pretty sure it's just a matter of pillar boxing the image (someone with more knowledge can elaborate/correct me if I'm wrong).

Wow. I mean, wow. How dare you challenge slop101's knowledge of all things dvd. I mean wow. You have to be the one who is confused here. Wow.
















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DJariya 10-26-07 03:16 AM

The only real issue I have is one of my DVD cases (Clockwork Orange) has a big cut on the front. The plastic is damaged, but the artwork is fine. BTW, I have to agree that the case holding all 5 movies is really cheap and flimsy.

MikeDeN2K 10-26-07 09:11 AM

I'm holding out until the second printing of these, when all the cases match and (hopefully) they might even address the flimsy packaging issues.

I saw a few of these in BJs for $49.99 and resisted temptation, only because it's really easy to. It's like seeing an ex-girlfriend who you used to be very attracted to who had a rough few years, and all of a sudden can resist her pretty easily. The packaging for this set is dreadful, and there's nothing lousier than picking up a big, blocky boxset and having it feel as if it weighs a half an ounce.

indy81 10-26-07 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by PatrickMcCart
Hitchcock wasn't really as consistent as Kubrick, at least in the 1960s and 1970s. After making The Birds, Hitchcock's only other great film was Frenzy. In that time period, Kubrick made Dr. Strangelove, 2001, A Clockwork Orange, and Barry Lyndon. I'll take those four over Marnie, Torn Curtain, and Topaz.

Seems a bit unfair to compare a director in his prime with one who is near the end of his life. Hitchcock had at least a half dozen masterpieces (arguably many more) under his belt before Kubrick had made a single film. (And I think MARNIE is excellent.)

Anyway, let me reiterate the call for a good scan of the SHINING artwork that was supposed to be included in the boxed set. I wish WB would put it up on their website to make up for their error, but it sounds like they're having a hard enough time just getting the DVDs into stores.

Hau 10-26-07 09:55 AM

Enough of the arguing over Hitch and Kub.
The question was: Will the price go up on Kubrick set or no? Is it still on 55, cuz it hasnt really been released or it will stay there and that real price 80$ was just a lie on amazon.com.

naitram 10-26-07 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by slop101
Do you even know what you're talking about? You can't make a movie that is 1:66 anamorphic without cutting into the image. Making a 1:85 ratio out of BL would cut off a lot of information from the meticulously set up shots. Your desires are no different than of those that want full-screen versions of movies shot in widescreen - just to fill your screen, but damn the image.

Actually I do, and for being a member here for so long, you should too. Thanks for the love, though.

slop101 10-26-07 10:57 AM

I believe the BL dvd's actually closer to 1:59 than 1:66, and making that anamorphic without any cropping wouldn't make much of a difference, if at all - it'd be more like making a 4:3 movie anamorphic.

tylergfoster 10-26-07 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by Hau
Enough of the arguing over Hitch and Kub.
The question was: Will the price go up on Kubrick set or no? Is it still on 55, cuz it hasnt really been released or it will stay there and that real price 80$ was just a lie on amazon.com.

Make no mistake, it has officially been released. Retailers may not have received their shipments, but the box set did come out on the day it was supposed to, even if in extremely limited quantities. Just for clarity this title is not delayed in any way.

If you want the low price I'd order it now and just bite the bullet and wait for it to show up. This is the "first week" price, so it is indeed going to go up afterwards. Best Buy does rainchecks so you can also ask for one of those at customer service.

Richard Malloy 10-26-07 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by slop101
I believe the BL dvd's actually closer to 1:59 than 1:66, and making that anamorphic without any cropping wouldn't make much of a difference, if at all - it'd be more like making a 4:3 movie anamorphic.

I won't buy another non-anamorphic 1.66:1 transfer, and I'm a little surprised that the question is even being raised. And more surprised that someone is advancing the notion that this ratio must be cropped to transfer it anamorphically.

The "postage stamp" look of a non-anamorphic 1.66:1 transfer, pillar-boxed on the sides and letterboxed at the top and bottom, is a good deal smaller and loses a not insignificant amount of resolution compared to an anamorphic 1.66:1 transfer with much smaller pillarboxing on the sides and no horizontal letterboxing.

arbogast777 10-26-07 11:29 AM


Originally Posted by Hau
Enough of the arguing over Hitch and Kub.
The question was: Will the price go up on Kubrick set or no? Is it still on 55, cuz it hasnt really been released or it will stay there and that real price 80$ was just a lie on amazon.com.

Family Video has them back in stock, Amazon has shortened it's availability from 4-6 weeks to 2-4 weeks, and all the Target's and Best Buy's around me now have them (they didn't earlier in the week) so I'd go ahead and order it.

sb5 10-26-07 03:04 PM

Barnesandnoble.com has them in stock (mine shipped yesterday), but unless you have a membership and a Mastercard and can use this 50% off coupon (which makes it $27), it's probably not worth the price.

Willh51 10-26-07 03:15 PM

So I'm pissed, I have an order with B&N and it still says shipping Nov. 8 even though the site now says ships in 24 hours. I called and a lady was like "oh we ship 24 hours when we get stock." I know that's not what "ships in 24 hours means." Mine better be leaving soon.

islandclaws 10-26-07 05:18 PM

I bit the bullet and ordered this today from Family Video. They're selling the box for $45 and with the $5 new member coupon it was $42 shipped. I was going to hold off and get the HD versions, but for $42 vs. almost $150 the choice was obvious.

Ethan VanSciver 10-26-07 08:02 PM


Originally Posted by dlinke01
Get the Kubrick Collection. There is no comparison between Kubrick and Hitchcock.

This is so madly incorrect that I threw my cat across the room when I read it.

Sorry, kitty.

Imail724 10-29-07 01:55 PM

Just got my box set from family video, and it does have the wrong The Shining. Oh well, it's not a big deal to me.

cupcake jesus 10-29-07 04:06 PM

One huge annoyance with the special features on Eyes Wide Shut. In the featurette about Napoleon and Aryan Papers, the narrator said that Kubrick made a "dozen" features. I assume that the writers/narrator are referring to the period from Killer's Kiss through Eyes Wide Shut.

He made a baker's dozen, though, including Fear and Desire. I know that Kubrick found it amateurish and tried to bury it, but it exists. It would be nice for the film to be acknowledged. To not include it in the count of Kubrick's films assumes the audience's ignorance and stupidity.

cheers,

-the Jesus

slowcloud 10-29-07 04:41 PM


Originally Posted by cupcake jesus
He made a baker's dozen, though, including Fear and Desire. I know that Kubrick found it amateurish and tried to bury it, but it exists. It would be nice for the film to be acknowledged. To not include it in the count of Kubrick's films assumes the audience's ignorance and stupidity.

cheers,

-the Jesus


If it exists, please tell me where to see it. It's the only Kubrick film I have not seen (you can PM, if you wish).

PatrickMcCart 10-29-07 05:52 PM

Kubrick has justifiably made Fear & Desire disappear. It's embarrassingly bad. Ed Wood bad, but without the comedy value.

So, he made a dozen feature films. Just leave it at that for sanity's sake.

slowcloud 10-29-07 06:03 PM


Originally Posted by PatrickMcCart

So, he made a dozen feature films. Just leave it at that for sanity's sake.

How fascist!

For someone like me, whose seen all his films scores of times, this is at least a curiosity, if not an opportunity for insight into his early creative process. Therefore it has value.

I dispise it when artists want to dictate to the audience (hypocritical of Kubrick, if you ask me), but worse are the sheep that follow and lap up all matter of output an artist says or does without question.

lamphorn 10-29-07 06:12 PM

An artist should be free to do with his work what he wants. I don't think that's a fascist opinion. It would be fascist for the audience to dictate to the artist.

It's also barely over an hour long, so could be seen as a short rather than a feature.

It's out there if you want to see it. I could take a ten minute walk and rent it right now if I wanted to. One of these days I will. Just look around.

PatrickMcCart 10-29-07 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by slowcloud
How fascist!

For someone like me, whose seen all his films scores of times, this is at least a curiosity, if not an opportunity for insight into his early creative process. Therefore it has value.

I dispise it when artists want to dictate to the audience (hypocritical of Kubrick, if you ask me), but worse are the sheep that follow and lap up all matter of output an artist says or does without question.

Well, you can watch it on YouTube. I think it should be released on DVD (maybe convince Kubrick's widow to let Mike Nelson do a Rifftrax commentary), but it doesn't change the fact that it's a painfully bad movie. I think Kubrick just wanted to save people some time and emotion by skipping Fear and Desire. Probably because a lot of people will rush to get the DVD, then realize why Kubrick wanted it buried.

The only reason people are interested in it have to do with it being out of circulation and Kubrick's name on it. If it wasn't kept in the vault and it had someone else's name on it, no one would care about the film.

bluetoast 10-29-07 07:16 PM

I want to see a release of his short films...

cupcake jesus 10-29-07 07:44 PM


Originally Posted by PatrickMcCart
The only reason people are interested in it have to do with it being out of circulation and Kubrick's name on it. If it wasn't kept in the vault and it had someone else's name on it, no one would care about the film.

That's pretty much true, BUT...

I'd argue that it's worth seeing once, and isn't painfully bad, just somewhat dull. Short and watchable, at the very least. And like it or not, it is his 13th feature.

I kind of like the multiple narrative threads, but the inner thoughts/voiceovers were ill-conceived. Visually, it ties in very well to The Killing and Killer's Kiss, and despite the horrible condition of the film, the shots are very well-composed - Kubrick took a lot of care blocking his actors, something he'd do in his future films.

Also worth it to see a young and beautiful pre-The Brain That Wouldn't Die Virginia Leith.

cheers,

-the Jesus

dman988 10-29-07 09:38 PM


Originally Posted by Imail724
Just got my box set from family video, and it does have the wrong The Shining. Oh well, it's not a big deal to me.

Yeah me too. It's annoying, but not a big deal. As long as the discs are all right, then fine. Although in all honesty, I do prefer the other Shining cover.

slowcloud 10-30-07 05:29 AM


Originally Posted by lamphorn
An artist should be free to do with his work what he wants. I don't think that's a fascist opinion. It would be fascist for the audience to dictate to the artist.

That's not what I'm saying. The attempt to re-write history and deny it, and -- even worse -- for the public to accept is frightening.

He did the work. Let the audience judge it. Dictating to an artist is just idiotic, allowing the audience to freely judge and interpret the work on their own terms is what Kubrick and truly great artists have always been about (just read his interviews about 2001). I mean it's just plain cowardly to say the man's done only 12 features. At least put an * by that "fact."

tylergfoster 10-30-07 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by slowcloud
That's not what I'm saying. The attempt to re-write history and deny it, and -- even worse -- for the public to accept is frightening.

George Lucas is a good example.

PatrickMcCart 10-30-07 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by slowcloud
That's not what I'm saying. The attempt to re-write history and deny it, and -- even worse -- for the public to accept is frightening.

He did the work. Let the audience judge it. Dictating to an artist is just idiotic, allowing the audience to freely judge and interpret the work on their own terms is what Kubrick and truly great artists have always been about (just read his interviews about 2001). I mean it's just plain cowardly to say the man's done only 12 features. At least put an * by that "fact."

You take things really seriously, don't you?

It's like saying that Being There was Peter Sellers' last movie (a funny attempt to hide the existence of that Fu Manchu movie). In all senses, it's better to think of Kubrick making a clean dozen features - for the sake of downplaying Fear and Desire.

cupcake jesus 10-30-07 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by PatrickMcCart
In all senses, it's better to think of Kubrick making a clean dozen features - for the sake of downplaying Fear and Desire.

Why is is better in all senses?

I think that Fear and Desire fits neatly into Kubrick's oeuvre, stylistically and thematically. Just because it is amateurish, and clearly a B picture to be shown as part of a double feature, doesn't mean that it doesn't count as a Kubrick film. Could we also pretend that he didn't make three documentary shorts or worked as a photographer? That early work is all a part of him developing his style. And that early work dovetails nicely into the more storied, post-The Killing part of his career.

cheers,

-the Jesus

slowcloud 10-31-07 05:31 AM


Originally Posted by cupcake jesus
Why is is better in all senses?

I think that Fear and Desire fits neatly into Kubrick's oeuvre, stylistically and thematically. Just because it is amateurish, and clearly a B picture to be shown as part of a double feature, doesn't mean that it doesn't count as a Kubrick film. Could we also pretend that he didn't make three documentary shorts or worked as a photographer? That early work is all a part of him developing his style. And that early work dovetails nicely into the more storied, post-The Killing part of his career.

cheers,

-the Jesus

Makes perfect, rational sense to me, and this is all I'm saying -- well, OK, maybe I have been stirring the pot a bit with my psych-interpretation of audience-artist relationship. To each their own. I enjoy a free mind, thank you! ;) so don't be a Fear and Desire denier. I mean, heck, it's even included in the Stanley Kubrick Archives book (although it doesn't have its own section), which was done with the cooperation of his wife, Jan Harlan and the Kubrick Estate.

Willh51 10-31-07 01:18 PM

Mine came today from B&N.com, and although it's annoying that The Shining artwork is different and the cases feel a little cheap, none of the discs had a scratch so I'm happy. Looks like a great set, content-wise. Now why we couldn't have a gotten a nice digi-pack, jnsp.

Duh Vuh Duh 10-31-07 01:28 PM

2001 review is up.

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?ID=31212

Smithers 11-02-07 09:51 AM

what's up with Eyes Wide Shut not being available at amazon anymore?

canaryfarmer 11-02-07 10:09 AM

Are there any full-size screengrabs of the HD/BR 2001 anywhere online?

MikeDeN2K 11-02-07 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by Smithers
what's up with Eyes Wide Shut not being available at amazon anymore?

Hopefully they're pulling it so we can get Disc 1 with the promised features. If that's the case (I doubt it), they'd better be offering replacement discs.

And a replacement cover for The Shining.

I've never seen a release botched so badly.

Arthur Dent 11-02-07 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by Willh51
Mine came today from B&N.com, and although it's annoying that The Shining artwork is different and the cases feel a little cheap, none of the discs had a scratch so I'm happy. Looks like a great set, content-wise. Now why we couldn't have a gotten a nice digi-pack, jnsp.

The Shining artwork is already annoying me and I just opened up my set 10 minutes ago. And I'm very surprised, based on how shitty that case is, that it survived the mail. It's actually in decent shape.

kms_md 11-02-07 01:07 PM

count me among those with the incorrect packaging for the shining - i should have known it based on the fact the spine looked different than the other discs. btw, i picked mine up at target last week.

chris_sc77 11-02-07 01:08 PM

Finally got my set today...One corner of the box is a little smooshed but overall its in decent shape.
I guess overall im just happy to have these movies and am thankful for this set...It could have been handled better but it could have been handled worse i guess.

dullboy 11-02-07 02:43 PM

Don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but the helicopter blades are still visible on the fly-over shot of the hotel near the beginning of The Shining. Looks like the majority of the cropping was on the bottom of the frame of that scene.


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