Mel Gibson "PAYBACK" question...
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Mel Gibson "PAYBACK" question...
I think that this great flick was done a tremendous disservice in it's DVD transfer...or is it just me? The movie has a "blue tint" all the way through it, which, after awhile, rather than becoming less noticable, becomes nearly intolerable.
Now, the question is this: did I simply get a bad disc, or was this purposely filmed with the blue tint, or is it just a crapola transfer?
Any responses are appreciated...
Now, the question is this: did I simply get a bad disc, or was this purposely filmed with the blue tint, or is it just a crapola transfer?
Any responses are appreciated...
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Re: Mel Gibson "PAYBACK" question...
Originally posted by zombiezilla
Now, the question is this: did I simply get a bad disc, or was this purposely filmed with the blue tint, or is it just a crapola transfer?
Now, the question is this: did I simply get a bad disc, or was this purposely filmed with the blue tint, or is it just a crapola transfer?
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The blue tint works well with the atmosphere in this movie. There are all sorts of subtle things in this movie to "confuse" the time period. Big old cars, big black rotary phones, the old soundtrack, etc., are juxtaposed with modern items (the dealer with the pierced nose comes to mind).
Great "hard boiled" flick that's a lot of fun. I could watch this one over and over.
Great "hard boiled" flick that's a lot of fun. I could watch this one over and over.
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heh, I was JUST gonna ask the same thing. I love this movie!
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I really like Payback too! Director was going for hard edge 70's look. I liked the old telephones, cars, blue tint etc.
I sought out the workprint a few years ago as it contained the original directors cut of the movie with some of the characters portrayed by different actors - no Kris Kristofferson as his character was voiced off screen by Angie Dickinson and the ending/climax is completely different.
Wish I had a better quality video of it, but it was cool getting to see it.
Here's a link to the IMDB with some info on Director Brian Helgeland's original version.
I sought out the workprint a few years ago as it contained the original directors cut of the movie with some of the characters portrayed by different actors - no Kris Kristofferson as his character was voiced off screen by Angie Dickinson and the ending/climax is completely different.
Wish I had a better quality video of it, but it was cool getting to see it.
Here's a link to the IMDB with some info on Director Brian Helgeland's original version.
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When B&W movies were out when color was available it made the movie look low budget.
Doesn't these blue or green tinted movies look cheap.
Is it cheap film stock that can't pick all the color?
Doesn't these blue or green tinted movies look cheap.
Is it cheap film stock that can't pick all the color?
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Originally posted by wm lopez
When B&W movies were out when color was available it made the movie look low budget.
Doesn't these blue or green tinted movies look cheap.
Is it cheap film stock that can't pick all the color?
When B&W movies were out when color was available it made the movie look low budget.
Doesn't these blue or green tinted movies look cheap.
Is it cheap film stock that can't pick all the color?
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Gibson wanted to film it in black & white but the studio didn't let him.
Originally posted by wm lopez
When B&W movies were out when color was available it made the movie look low budget.
When B&W movies were out when color was available it made the movie look low budget.
And, boy, those elaborate airplane sets in "Strangelove", or the insane battle sequence in 'Paths of Glory', they just look so cheap in black and white.
And, manohman, it's a good thing "El Mariachi" is in color, because it makes it look so much more expensive than "Raging Bull" which, let's face it, has always looked really low budget with those deep shadows and all.
I believe that the Coen brothers said, when asked why "The Man Who Wasn't There" was shot in B&W, "Well, we wanted it to look really, really cheap, so we figured that was the best way, because nothing says cheap like black and white."
Doesn't these blue or green tinted movies look cheap.
Is it cheap film stock that can't pick all the color?
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Originally posted by laserdogg
I sought out the workprint a few years ago as it contained the original directors cut of the movie with some of the characters portrayed by different actors - no Kris Kristofferson as his character was voiced off screen by Angie Dickinson and the ending/climax is completely different.
Wish I had a better quality video of it, but it was cool getting to see it.
I sought out the workprint a few years ago as it contained the original directors cut of the movie with some of the characters portrayed by different actors - no Kris Kristofferson as his character was voiced off screen by Angie Dickinson and the ending/climax is completely different.
Wish I had a better quality video of it, but it was cool getting to see it.
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Originally Posted by Doughboy
Sounds like the copy I got to see. I actually prefer the Mel Gibson cut over the Helgeland one, but I would love to see Criterion get their hands on this movie and do a Brazil-type set with both versions. Of course, that'll happen never.
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I saw Payback on HBO or something a year or so ago, and have no idea what you guys are talking about. Can't recall any tint at all, or it could be I just didn't notice. Or maybe they had a full color version for TV?
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I saw Payback on HBO or something a year or so ago, and have no idea what you guys are talking about. Can't recall any tint at all, or it could be I just didn't notice. Or maybe they had a full color version for TV?
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yeah, whatever about the tint...what about, for example, O Brother Where Art Thou? Lots of unusual tints going on there...
So, what about the director's cut of Payback? Anyone have any info? I'd be interested in seeing it, just because I want to see what Mel didn't want released.
So, what about the director's cut of Payback? Anyone have any info? I'd be interested in seeing it, just because I want to see what Mel didn't want released.