Burning Question about C3PO & R2
Or a backup system just like the Terminator...its possible
10-11-04 | 08:29 AM
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Leia’s “father” in this case is actually her step father who is a senator in Alderaan (there’s still an imperial senate at that point before the Emperor disbands it early in ANH). In ep III Obi Wan puts baby Luke in Tatooine and baby Leia in Alderaan. He probably separates them because if they were together maybe Vader would more likely be able to sense them. So to hide them better he had to separate them.
As for Owen, Obi Wan, and Vader not recognizing the droids, there are loads and loads of them around. Vader did not even have sentimental feelings towards Obi Wan, much less common droids.
Also, in Ep I and II, Obi Wan never formed any sort of bond with either of the Droids.
One thing I don’t get, why did it take 10 whole years for Anakin to go back for his mom!! With his new found position as a Jedi in training, you’d think he’d try to pull some strings to get some Junk dealer to release his mom!!
As for Owen, Obi Wan, and Vader not recognizing the droids, there are loads and loads of them around. Vader did not even have sentimental feelings towards Obi Wan, much less common droids.
Also, in Ep I and II, Obi Wan never formed any sort of bond with either of the Droids.
One thing I don’t get, why did it take 10 whole years for Anakin to go back for his mom!! With his new found position as a Jedi in training, you’d think he’d try to pull some strings to get some Junk dealer to release his mom!!
10-12-04 | 10:41 PM
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Also, if there's a memory wipe with C3PO and R2D2, how would the two robots remember each other, much less have a relationship together?
They must have had a second "introduction" to each other sometime, somewhere offscreen between Episodes III and IV.
They must have had a second "introduction" to each other sometime, somewhere offscreen between Episodes III and IV.
10-14-04 | 09:52 AM
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Originally posted by jeffkjoe
Also, if there's a memory wipe with C3PO and R2D2, how would the two robots remember each other, much less have a relationship together?
They must have had a second "introduction" to each other sometime, somewhere offscreen between Episodes III and IV.
Also, if there's a memory wipe with C3PO and R2D2, how would the two robots remember each other, much less have a relationship together?
They must have had a second "introduction" to each other sometime, somewhere offscreen between Episodes III and IV.
10-14-04 | 01:41 PM
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In the SW universe, droids typically have memory wipes yearly or so (think...Win98). This was discussed to death in SW books dealing with these 2 droids and Whistler, a modified R2 unit belonging to another jedi x-wing pilot. Threepio would've had several over time as he was passed around, or was he? Tough to tell about Artoo since all he does is beep, but neither of them had wipes after Luke owned them. Of course, Eps 1-2 destroy all of this and make everything not make sense. We'll see what #3 does to this particular inconsistency.
10-20-04 | 05:24 PM
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The reason that I dont think R2 and 3P0 dont get memory wipes? A bunch actually:
1) That would esseintaly "kill" two main characters. In his bad guys/good guys black and white universe, it's very unlikely that Lucas would do that.
2) The story is told from the point of view of the droids. They're the greek chorus commentating on the events unfolding around them, so to speak. To reset them to zero half way through the story wouldnt work.
3) While there's no evidence to support that they did get a memory wipe, there's plenty to support them NOT getting one.
What R2 knows or doesnt know - well, is impossible to tell. Unless another character interprets or responds to his remarks, we dont know what he's saying. There were numerous instances when R2-D2 made lengthy comments that may actually recall events from the prequels era. For instance, he was quite talkitive when Obi-wan first showed up to rescue Luke in Jundland Wastes - but Kenobi had good reason to conceal any previous acquaintance. Artoo also demonstrated a burst of excitement (and perhaps recognition) upon sighting Anakin's lightsaber, when Kenobi presented it to Luke. And perhaps BECAUSE R2 knew who Kenobi was, R2 was exceptionaly eager to find the old Jedi. Luke says it himself "I've never seen such devotion in a droid before".
C-3PO, on the other hand, is a protocol droid whos primary function is keeping senstive and confidential information. In his early conversations with Luke, he was downright evasive about Leia. When Obi-Wan began to tell Luke a tale about Anakin and the Jedi, Threepio requested to be shut down, perhaps to avoid facing hurtful memories about his Maker's tragic fate.
Or what about 3P0's claim that his first job was programming binary load lifters, which are very similar to your vaporators. This type of work isnt consistent with what one would expect from a protocol droids - unless they were previously on a moisture farm (or with Annie's mom).
Or consider this - at the start of Return of the Jedi, 3PO tells R2 about the stories he'd heard about Jabba the Hutt. A diplomatic droid wouldnt be in a position to hear about Jabba's underworld dealings - but a droid built on Tatooine would be in a position for all kinds of gossip.
Why didnt 3P0 recognise Kenobi? He very well may NOT have met the Jedi - they didn't meet in The Phantom Menace, and dont appear to have met in Attack of the Clones. As for Tatooine - He did seem unfamiliar with the Dune Sea crash site. His prequel-era travels might have only covered the rockier, more inhabitable regions.
1) That would esseintaly "kill" two main characters. In his bad guys/good guys black and white universe, it's very unlikely that Lucas would do that.
2) The story is told from the point of view of the droids. They're the greek chorus commentating on the events unfolding around them, so to speak. To reset them to zero half way through the story wouldnt work.
3) While there's no evidence to support that they did get a memory wipe, there's plenty to support them NOT getting one.
What R2 knows or doesnt know - well, is impossible to tell. Unless another character interprets or responds to his remarks, we dont know what he's saying. There were numerous instances when R2-D2 made lengthy comments that may actually recall events from the prequels era. For instance, he was quite talkitive when Obi-wan first showed up to rescue Luke in Jundland Wastes - but Kenobi had good reason to conceal any previous acquaintance. Artoo also demonstrated a burst of excitement (and perhaps recognition) upon sighting Anakin's lightsaber, when Kenobi presented it to Luke. And perhaps BECAUSE R2 knew who Kenobi was, R2 was exceptionaly eager to find the old Jedi. Luke says it himself "I've never seen such devotion in a droid before".
C-3PO, on the other hand, is a protocol droid whos primary function is keeping senstive and confidential information. In his early conversations with Luke, he was downright evasive about Leia. When Obi-Wan began to tell Luke a tale about Anakin and the Jedi, Threepio requested to be shut down, perhaps to avoid facing hurtful memories about his Maker's tragic fate.
Or what about 3P0's claim that his first job was programming binary load lifters, which are very similar to your vaporators. This type of work isnt consistent with what one would expect from a protocol droids - unless they were previously on a moisture farm (or with Annie's mom).
Or consider this - at the start of Return of the Jedi, 3PO tells R2 about the stories he'd heard about Jabba the Hutt. A diplomatic droid wouldnt be in a position to hear about Jabba's underworld dealings - but a droid built on Tatooine would be in a position for all kinds of gossip.
Why didnt 3P0 recognise Kenobi? He very well may NOT have met the Jedi - they didn't meet in The Phantom Menace, and dont appear to have met in Attack of the Clones. As for Tatooine - He did seem unfamiliar with the Dune Sea crash site. His prequel-era travels might have only covered the rockier, more inhabitable regions.
10-20-04 | 10:13 PM
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Originally posted by El-Kabong
The reason that I dont think R2 and 3P0 dont get memory wipes? A bunch actually:
1) That would esseintaly "kill" two main characters. In his bad guys/good guys black and white universe, it's very unlikely that Lucas would do that.
2) The story is told from the point of view of the droids. They're the greek chorus commentating on the events unfolding around them, so to speak. To reset them to zero half way through the story wouldnt work.
3) While there's no evidence to support that they did get a memory wipe, there's plenty to support them NOT getting one.
What R2 knows or doesnt know - well, is impossible to tell. Unless another character interprets or responds to his remarks, we dont know what he's saying. There were numerous instances when R2-D2 made lengthy comments that may actually recall events from the prequels era. For instance, he was quite talkitive when Obi-wan first showed up to rescue Luke in Jundland Wastes - but Kenobi had good reason to conceal any previous acquaintance. Artoo also demonstrated a burst of excitement (and perhaps recognition) upon sighting Anakin's lightsaber, when Kenobi presented it to Luke. And perhaps BECAUSE R2 knew who Kenobi was, R2 was exceptionaly eager to find the old Jedi. Luke says it himself "I've never seen such devotion in a droid before".
C-3PO, on the other hand, is a protocol droid whos primary function is keeping senstive and confidential information. In his early conversations with Luke, he was downright evasive about Leia. When Obi-Wan began to tell Luke a tale about Anakin and the Jedi, Threepio requested to be shut down, perhaps to avoid facing hurtful memories about his Maker's tragic fate.
Or what about 3P0's claim that his first job was programming binary load lifters, which are very similar to your vaporators. This type of work isnt consistent with what one would expect from a protocol droids - unless they were previously on a moisture farm (or with Annie's mom).
Or consider this - at the start of Return of the Jedi, 3PO tells R2 about the stories he'd heard about Jabba the Hutt. A diplomatic droid wouldnt be in a position to hear about Jabba's underworld dealings - but a droid built on Tatooine would be in a position for all kinds of gossip.
Why didnt 3P0 recognise Kenobi? He very well may NOT have met the Jedi - they didn't meet in The Phantom Menace, and dont appear to have met in Attack of the Clones. As for Tatooine - He did seem unfamiliar with the Dune Sea crash site. His prequel-era travels might have only covered the rockier, more inhabitable regions.
The reason that I dont think R2 and 3P0 dont get memory wipes? A bunch actually:
1) That would esseintaly "kill" two main characters. In his bad guys/good guys black and white universe, it's very unlikely that Lucas would do that.
2) The story is told from the point of view of the droids. They're the greek chorus commentating on the events unfolding around them, so to speak. To reset them to zero half way through the story wouldnt work.
3) While there's no evidence to support that they did get a memory wipe, there's plenty to support them NOT getting one.
What R2 knows or doesnt know - well, is impossible to tell. Unless another character interprets or responds to his remarks, we dont know what he's saying. There were numerous instances when R2-D2 made lengthy comments that may actually recall events from the prequels era. For instance, he was quite talkitive when Obi-wan first showed up to rescue Luke in Jundland Wastes - but Kenobi had good reason to conceal any previous acquaintance. Artoo also demonstrated a burst of excitement (and perhaps recognition) upon sighting Anakin's lightsaber, when Kenobi presented it to Luke. And perhaps BECAUSE R2 knew who Kenobi was, R2 was exceptionaly eager to find the old Jedi. Luke says it himself "I've never seen such devotion in a droid before".
C-3PO, on the other hand, is a protocol droid whos primary function is keeping senstive and confidential information. In his early conversations with Luke, he was downright evasive about Leia. When Obi-Wan began to tell Luke a tale about Anakin and the Jedi, Threepio requested to be shut down, perhaps to avoid facing hurtful memories about his Maker's tragic fate.
Or what about 3P0's claim that his first job was programming binary load lifters, which are very similar to your vaporators. This type of work isnt consistent with what one would expect from a protocol droids - unless they were previously on a moisture farm (or with Annie's mom).
Or consider this - at the start of Return of the Jedi, 3PO tells R2 about the stories he'd heard about Jabba the Hutt. A diplomatic droid wouldnt be in a position to hear about Jabba's underworld dealings - but a droid built on Tatooine would be in a position for all kinds of gossip.
Why didnt 3P0 recognise Kenobi? He very well may NOT have met the Jedi - they didn't meet in The Phantom Menace, and dont appear to have met in Attack of the Clones. As for Tatooine - He did seem unfamiliar with the Dune Sea crash site. His prequel-era travels might have only covered the rockier, more inhabitable regions.
At the very least 3PO got a memory wipe. As for the tales he heard about Jabba, he had over 20 years to gain that knowledge.
Also, he never tried to talk to Vader and is always scared of him. He doesn't say "Don't you remember you created me"
10-21-04 | 11:07 AM
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Well then why doesn't C-3PO recognize Owen and Aunt Beru. Or their home. He didn't say "Oh master Owen good to be back here" or "good to see you again"
Well then why doesn't C-3PO recognize Owen and Aunt Beru. Or their home. He didn't say "Oh master Owen good to be back here" or "good to see you again"
Originally posted by Class316
Also, he never tried to talk to Vader and is always scared of him. He doesn't say "Don't you remember you created me"
Also, he never tried to talk to Vader and is always scared of him. He doesn't say "Don't you remember you created me"
On the other hand, if the droid indeed know Anakin's backstory, they weren't promted to reveal their knowledge. Neither droid ever got close to Vader. R2 was separated from Luke on Bespin and 3P0 spent all of his time backwards on chewie.
Vader, on the other hand, knows the two droids - but again he had no time to interact with them. He never got close to R2 and he may not have cared enough to expose himself to C-3P0 at Bespin. Remember - Vader did allow the dismembered 3P0 to be delivered to Chewbacca for repair. Seems kind of out of character of the Empire, donchaythink? Perhaps some kind of lingering feelings for the droid showing up in a small act of mercy?
10-21-04 | 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by El-Kabong
Vader, on the other hand, knows the two droids - but again he had no time to interact with them. He never got close to R2 and he may not have cared enough to expose himself to C-3P0 at Bespin.
Vader, on the other hand, knows the two droids - but again he had no time to interact with them. He never got close to R2 and he may not have cared enough to expose himself to C-3P0 at Bespin.
I believe Lucas did say the Droids get a memory wipe. Even if they didn't get a memory wipe in ep III they could have gotten one a few years after that.
Remember - Vader did allow the dismembered 3P0 to be delivered to Chewbacca for repair. Seems kind of out of character of the Empire, donchaythink? Perhaps some kind of lingering feelings for the droid showing up in a small act of mercy?
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10-21-04 | 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by Class316
If memory serves they weren't delivered, Chewbacca picked them up and basically kept them.
If memory serves they weren't delivered, Chewbacca picked them up and basically kept them.
10-21-04 | 02:53 PM
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I love the way we are all looking at the original trilogy and saying things like "why didn't Vader recognize C3PO?"
Now I'm not trying to be a party pooper, but the obvious reason (which has been stated hundreds of times before) is that the PREQUELS DIDN'T EXIST THEN!
The best we can do is look at the original trilogy and ask ourselves how it fits with the new trilogy. If Lucas can make it all fit nice and tidy, then good for him. But we honestly can't expect the decisions he made 25 years ago to match with his current "Ultimate Vision".
One way to think of it is instead of saying "Vader should have recognized the droid he built as a boy (who can forget their first dog after all?)" we should say "here's a plothole that Lucas needs to address".
Now I'm not trying to be a party pooper, but the obvious reason (which has been stated hundreds of times before) is that the PREQUELS DIDN'T EXIST THEN!
The best we can do is look at the original trilogy and ask ourselves how it fits with the new trilogy. If Lucas can make it all fit nice and tidy, then good for him. But we honestly can't expect the decisions he made 25 years ago to match with his current "Ultimate Vision".
One way to think of it is instead of saying "Vader should have recognized the droid he built as a boy (who can forget their first dog after all?)" we should say "here's a plothole that Lucas needs to address".
10-21-04 | 09:57 PM
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Originally posted by El-Kabong
Vader, on the other hand, knows the two droids - but again he had no time to interact with them. He never got close to R2 and he may not have cared enough to expose himself to C-3P0 at Bespin. Remember - Vader did allow the dismembered 3P0 to be delivered to Chewbacca for repair. Seems kind of out of character of the Empire, donchaythink? Perhaps some kind of lingering feelings for the droid showing up in a small act of mercy?
Vader, on the other hand, knows the two droids - but again he had no time to interact with them. He never got close to R2 and he may not have cared enough to expose himself to C-3P0 at Bespin. Remember - Vader did allow the dismembered 3P0 to be delivered to Chewbacca for repair. Seems kind of out of character of the Empire, donchaythink? Perhaps some kind of lingering feelings for the droid showing up in a small act of mercy?
10-22-04 | 12:10 AM
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Originally posted by masetodd
I love the way we are all looking at the original trilogy and saying things like "why didn't Vader recognize C3PO?"
Now I'm not trying to be a party pooper, but the obvious reason (which has been stated hundreds of times before) is that the PREQUELS DIDN'T EXIST THEN!
The best we can do is look at the original trilogy and ask ourselves how it fits with the new trilogy. If Lucas can make it all fit nice and tidy, then good for him. But we honestly can't expect the decisions he made 25 years ago to match with his current "Ultimate Vision".
One way to think of it is instead of saying "Vader should have recognized the droid he built as a boy (who can forget their first dog after all?)" we should say "here's a plothole that Lucas needs to address".
I love the way we are all looking at the original trilogy and saying things like "why didn't Vader recognize C3PO?"
Now I'm not trying to be a party pooper, but the obvious reason (which has been stated hundreds of times before) is that the PREQUELS DIDN'T EXIST THEN!
The best we can do is look at the original trilogy and ask ourselves how it fits with the new trilogy. If Lucas can make it all fit nice and tidy, then good for him. But we honestly can't expect the decisions he made 25 years ago to match with his current "Ultimate Vision".
One way to think of it is instead of saying "Vader should have recognized the droid he built as a boy (who can forget their first dog after all?)" we should say "here's a plothole that Lucas needs to address".
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10-22-04 | 02:00 AM
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Thats the thing - he HASNT been making it up as he goes. Oh, the details certanly - somehow I dont think Jar-Jar was in his master plan - but the overall arc has been laid down from day one.
Go read The Annoted Screenplays. There you get a good look at the evolution of the story, and how it went from the Adventures of the Starkiller to what we see today. In specific terms, no, its not the same. But overall - yeah, I'd say we're right on track.
Go read The Annoted Screenplays. There you get a good look at the evolution of the story, and how it went from the Adventures of the Starkiller to what we see today. In specific terms, no, its not the same. But overall - yeah, I'd say we're right on track.
