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Daytona24 09-01-04 08:27 AM


Originally posted by Jason


No, because when it comes right down to it, this DVD release isn't all that special as DVD collections go. The Alien Quadrilogy, the just announced Matrix collection, and the LOTR EE's have all outdone the Star Wars trilogy in terms of extra features, indepth information, and even innovative packaging and marketing.

I dont think its a matter of the collection as of the DVD's. As it was mentioned the Alien movies had already been released prior to that set and while I wont deny its a cool set (one I have yet to get) and yes it is one of the biggest sets out, the movies themselves arent milestones in my opinion. Same goes for the Matrix set, while the Matrix at one time was the biggest DVD to have, this set is just a $$$ maker.

And while Star Wars will always be near and dear to me since my childhood, watching the movies and playing with the toys I will admit that the LOTR trilogy really gives Star Wars a run for its money as a truly epic movie and great storytelling. Lets just hope 10 years from now Peter Jackson dosnt decide to go in and replace Gandolf or add a third tower.

I did vote yes, but I am still VERY upset that I need to keep two VHS sets not to mention a VCR just to be able to see the original Star Wars movies, not to mention they are in Pan and Scan (before I saw the light of widescreen) I was really looking forward to having them in widescreen.

I dont mind Lucas making changes, but three versions of the movie on the discs would have been GREAT. Frankly I think if the movies I own no longer exist, the money I spent to buy them should reexist in my pocketbook! Oh well maybe as a bonus feature added late, the set will come with a check from Lucas giving us our money back for all that merchandise from the movies that no longer exist.

Anyway I didnt think the voting would be split 50/ 50, its interesting.

Kal-El 09-01-04 09:09 AM


Originally posted by MovieFan999
Someone mentioned Back to the Future. Why do you pick that?
My personal opinion on that is because it was the first of the Big Three to be released. A year after it came Indy and 2 years after we have Star Wars. :D

Josh H 09-01-04 10:34 AM


Originally posted by Joseph B
I voted "Milestone" due to the fact that I'm in the camp that believes that this marks the definitive end to the truly exceptional unreleased catalog titles.
Exactly. There's not a single catalog title that's still unrealeased that I give two shits about besides Star Wars.

The Antipodean 09-01-04 10:58 AM

Yeah, no notable unreleased catalog titles remain -- except of course for undisputed classics such as "King Kong," "The African Queen," "Bambi,"
or you know any of the titles in <a href="http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=285961">this</a>
thread...

But god knows none of those silly movies compare to Lucas's saber-swishin' epic, right?

Josh H 09-01-04 11:00 AM

Not to me. I don't like classics. I'm not a film buff and just watch movies to be entertained, and 99% of the classics I've seen didn't entertain me.

fumanstan 09-01-04 11:05 AM


Originally posted by Sierra Disc
Yeah, no notable unreleased catalog titles remain -- except of course for undisputed classics such as "King Kong," "The African Queen," "Bambi,"
or you know any of the titles in <a href="http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=285961">this</a>
thread...

But god knows none of those silly movies compare to Lucas's saber-swishin' epic, right?

Classics maybe, but Star Wars is still bigger then those films.

PrivateJoker 09-01-04 11:26 AM

As a movie, no. The other 'biggies'- Godfather, Indiana Jones, Citizen Kane, heck even AotC and PM, and finally a decent release of Goodfellas. It's been out on tape sooooo long it hardly matters at all.

Cultural event? Not that for me either.

I absolutely loved ANH and to be honest, the only reason I want to watch it is to see my son's reaction. Maybe it's because I'm older, but I did buy ANH on tape three different times.

sracer 09-01-04 12:22 PM

It's a DVD milestone of sorts... not in the use of DVD as a medium, but in marketing. Lucas is simply doing what Disney has known for quite some time... that the best way to generate interest in something is to NOT make it available.

I'll bet that there are far more people interested in purchasing the OT on disc now than would've been had it been released 3 years ago. I wonder how this buzz would've compared to other popular films had THEY not yet been released.

There are some people who are saying that they "got to have it" and don't even really know why.

The interest, hype, and buzz is feeding itself...just like people were falling all over themselves when Fight Club was released. 3 months after the OT is released, I'll bet that people will be scratching their heads wondering (A) why it took so long for it to be released and (B) why they cared so much about it.
;)

William Fuld 09-01-04 12:31 PM

If I had a nickel for every fucking time Josh Hinkle has mentioned he only watches movies to be entertained I'd have to start spelling my name with a $.

ckolchak 09-01-04 12:35 PM


Originally posted by William Fuld
If I had a nickel for every fucking time Josh Hinkle has mentioned he only watches movies to be entertained I'd have to start spelling my name with a $.
:lol:

fiver 09-01-04 12:38 PM

I voted No . Trying to exclude the fact that I also prefer the original films, I voted No because I believe at this stage of the game there aren't really any true milestones left for DVD. During the first 3 or 4 years of the format, milestones did seem to be marked by particular movie releases or particular features (e.g. white rabbit, multiple commentaries, multiple film versions on one disc). And then it seemed to be about market penetration (each week seemed to be marked by the next 'best selling' dvd of all time')

Now that we're in 2004 and we've seen most of the movies we want, we're not making significant advancements in audio and video anymore, and DVD is now in the wallmart $5 movie bin indicating market penetration has leveled out, I don't think the release of Star Wars is a milestone at all. I think, sadly, that it missed the boat in terms of release timing, features, packaging, etc...

Pardon my ramblings but it's just my opinion:)

Michael

couch21 09-01-04 01:12 PM

As a DVD release, no I don't think it's a major milestone. Just looking at the disc specs it resembles the Indiana Jones box set very closely, and that set didn't push any technical limits whatsoever. As a film collection keepsake, it's a milestone only in that it's probably the very last "mainstream" title we've all been waiting for in the DVD format.

This trilogy set could have been a milestone had they decided to release the original and SE versions together -- a clear tribute to film purists, the global fan base, and the preservation of film classics in their original form (don't even think VHS qualifies as "preservation").

To this date, I still think the Alien Quadrilogy set remains the biggest milestone of a DVD box set and that's the end-all benchmark standard we should be using. Sadly, we're all treated to something sub-par.

eXcentris 09-01-04 01:15 PM

Unless this thread reaches 20 pages, I'd say no. :)

Rivero 09-01-04 01:17 PM


Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
I'm not a film buff and just watch movies to be entertained, and 99% of the classics I've seen didn't entertain me.
So YOU'RE the one who stated that line "I have no respect for people who watch films for anything other than entertainment" or words to that effect. Can anyone here find and pull up Hinkle's enlightening post?

Rivero 09-01-04 01:20 PM


Originally posted by couch21
As a DVD release, no I don't think it's a major milestone. Just looking at the disc specs it resembles the Indiana Jones box set very closely, and that set didn't push any technical limits whatsoever.
Yeah, in hindsight the Indiana Jones box was pretty disappointing. There should've been tons of more stuff included. I don't know why Lucas didnt decide to put all the Cam/Biggs deleted scenes, etc. on this one. He released them on that Behind the Magic dvd sometime in 99

Josh H 09-01-04 02:20 PM


Originally posted by Rivero
So YOU'RE the one who stated that line "I have no respect for people who watch films for anything other than entertainment" or words to that effect. Can anyone here find and pull up Hinkle's enlightening post?
Actually, I said I had no respect for people getting bent out of shape/caring about "film history" as IMO those people need to find something better to do with their time than whining about film history on the net. I just mentioned films=entertainment to me as a side point.

I realize lots of people are into the art and craft of films and that's fine. Not my cup of tea, but nothing wrong with it.

Spiky 09-01-04 03:44 PM


Originally posted by Terrell
Um, no! The Alien franchise had already had a number of releases before the Quad set even saw the light of day.

The Star Wars trilogy is without a doubt a milestone release. It's not even debateable. It's been the most talked about, requested, and anticipated DVD of all time. And that certainly isn't debateable.



Well, that's a subjective statement at best, and certainly doesn't ring true for everyone. As most opinions are.

First of all, all things are debateable. That comes from the definition of debate, has nothing to do with SW.

2nd, I voted no since these are a 3rd version of the movies. OT on DVD would be the milestone everybody wants to call this.

Rivero 09-01-04 04:10 PM


Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
Actually, I said I had no respect for people getting bent out of shape/caring about "film history" as IMO those people need to find something better to do
No, you were a little more harsh than that. Lemme search....

*Edit*- Here it is!


Josh Hinkle: I have no respect for people that care about film history. Film=entertainment, end of story for me. I have no use for this film history, artsy fartsty intellectual crap when it comes to movies.


A DVDTAlk classic.

Josh H 09-01-04 04:22 PM

More harsh yes, but the same meaning as what I posted above. I get annoyed at people wasting time pissing and moaning over banal stuff on the net REPEATEDLY.

Like I said, IMO, these people need to find more constructive things to do with their time. Plus, I'm not ashamed to admit that I'm a judgemental person and earning my respect is not an easy thing to do.

Get Me Coffee 09-01-04 04:46 PM

I think we should make a thread listing what people felt were DVD milestones starting from 1998.

flyboy 09-01-04 04:50 PM


Originally posted by Get Me Coffee
I think we should make a thread listing what people felt were DVD milestones starting from 1998.
No way, I think we need a OT vs SE thread. I think the fourm has never had one of those yet!

Get Me Coffee 09-01-04 04:56 PM


Originally posted by flyboy
No way, I think we need a OT vs SE thread. I think the fourm has never had one of those yet!
:lol:

That's is something rare ;)

Hey is this the longest opened star wars thread? Wonder when it will be locked up. :lol:

Grizzly 09-01-04 05:01 PM

no, only because it's not the original versions. i would've said yes (and bought them!) had it been the original cuts, but as it stands, i really can't say i feel it's a milestone.

maveric 09-28-04 02:37 AM

Star Wars 4-6, what truly incredible movies! I can't believe it took so long to get these movies on DVD. I am now completely convinced that this is the best movie trilogy ever. You can never get sick of watching them, unlike those LOTR snoozers.

layth1 09-28-04 03:12 AM


Originally posted by Shannon Nutt
You guys seem to be equating the word "Milestone" with the word "Anticipated".

Anticipated, yes. Milestone, no.

To me, a milestone DVD would be one that indicates a turning point or new advancement in technology. This release isn't even pushing the limits of what we've already seen.

Now, that DOESN'T mean many of us are eagerly awaiting its release. Like many of you, I'm a first-day buyer on this one.

My thoughts exactly.


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