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issues 08-20-04 05:29 PM

Clownhouse dvd?
 
I just found this dvd after looking for it for ages and just wanted to know did it get re-released? The reson i ask is becasue on the back of the dvd it talks about jeepers creepers 2. Thanks joe

Alan Smithee 08-20-04 06:14 PM

Imagine what they could include as an easter egg on this....

lcnickell 08-20-04 07:41 PM


Imagine what they could include as an easter egg on this....
sick sick sick

i can't believe this guy is even out of jail. let alone people watching his films..

but a very funny post.nonetheless

emhello 08-20-04 08:07 PM

I remember the movie being a geniunely creepy, and well-directed horror movie.

scarredgod 08-20-04 09:11 PM

i like the movie. it was supposed to be re-released this tuesday, which it no longer is but maybe more copies are sneaking out now. the sound is just a tad out of synch on those old copies though.

ChrisHicks 08-20-04 09:15 PM

I picked up a copy last week and got it yesterday. I don't know if it's the original release or a new one(are there any?) since I haven't checked it out yet. if the sound is a tad off I won't mind too much since this disc may never get released officially. and if it does I'm only out 20.00.

conscience 08-20-04 09:45 PM


Originally posted by Alan Smithee
Imagine what they could include as an easter egg on this....
:eek:

Jeepers Creepers was a pretty good movie though.

I heard some okay things about clownhouse. Might have to rent it.

Sunday Morning 08-20-04 09:48 PM

mgm lost the rights to this dvd and will not be releasing it anymore. so whatever copies are floating out there are worth picking up

Leechboy 08-21-04 12:50 AM

Im interested in picking this up on Ebay but I do not want to get a bootleg. Most sellers are selling it for around $20. Has the price really dropped that low? Has anyone seen bootlegs of it? I dont want to get ripped off.

issues 08-21-04 06:29 AM

I picked it up for 20 bucks but here is a online store that has it.

http://a spammer's site.com/

Jeff McKay 08-21-04 06:03 PM


Originally posted by Sunday Morning
mgm lost the rights to this dvd and will not be releasing it anymore. so whatever copies are floating out there are worth picking up
Interesting. So is this why they pulled it from last year's Halloween line-up? A rights issue? I always assumed it was because of the Salva controversy or something else.

And if MGM has lost the rights, why delay the release a year and then now release what back-stock they must have had left? And it's still not available at the major on-line retailers, but only at some of the smaller ones as if MGM is trying to sell off what they have left without anyone noticing. If they lost the rights, how are they releasing it now?

Just curious if you have any further info on this situation. Not really interested in the DVD itself (I sold off the one I had 7-8 months ago on ebay since I don't really care for the film). But I am curious what was going on behind-the-scenes with this title and why it was pulled and then now unceremoniously half-released. And the copies that are out there now - are they future collector's items?

scarredgod 08-21-04 07:00 PM

does it tie in with salva or is it about losing the rights or is it about the audio synch issue?

sounds like were back to all speculation.

ThatGuamGuy 08-21-04 07:39 PM


Originally posted by Sunday Morning
mgm lost the rights to this dvd and will not be releasing it anymore. so whatever copies are floating out there are worth picking up
I'm confused by this as well ... do you mean that the MGM disc which was scheduled is being recalled (or, since it isn't out yet, the release is being cancelled)? I saw a bunch in a store today, so if it's cancelled, I'd buy it up sooner rather than later, but I want to be sure I understand you correctly.

Thanks

lcnickell 08-21-04 09:07 PM

wait, so this got delayed again?

I have a friend who's been waiting months for it.

I don't really care to own, with the circumstances surrounding it, and believe Salva incorporates a lot of disturbing images, and dialogue into his films ( given his past, crossing the line at times)

but i think the film was very good, and should be released ..

so it's officiallyhard to find again?

what store did you see them at, i'll pick one up for anyone who wants it, if i can find it.

Frozen 08-21-04 09:13 PM

It looks like I'm the only person, so far, who can cite a credible source for their information. I'm not a believer of the "My friend said this and my friend said that" crap unless you're frequently telling us what your friend said and it turns out to be right. Since some people are starting to delete their posts in this thread, I'll do that and confine my remarks to this post. Sunday Morning first said MGM lost the rights to Clownhouse, they're up for grabs by anyone and he got this info because he's "close to the business". I mention that the www.copyright.gov website shows MGM still has the rights and has since July 28, 2000, when they acquired the rights to 4,775 titles. Sunday then changes the story to say MGM simply decided not to release the DVD (the VHS apparently wasn't a problem). Sunday also has at least one Clownhouse DVD he's trying to unload. And this is the first time ever that Sunday Morning has claimed to have contacts in "the business".

ThatGuamGuy is the first to use the word "recall". He may explain how he got "recall" from "MGM lost the rights". GuamGuy isn't saying there is a recall; he just uses that word in each of his posts in this thread.

CrumpsBrothers says his friend at MGM told him they lost the rights months ago. For some reason he didn't tell us until now. Maybe his friend waited until now before mentioning it. But there's no release of rights at the copyright office. MGM has announced in the past when they were canceling a DVD release. Why not this time?

The only thing official on the Internet about who is the current rights holder to Clownhouse is found at the U.S. Copyright Office website. It says MGM is the one. Give me a bulletin or press release from MGM to counter that if you say the release has been canceled. I'll even go for a website that has previously cited vague, anonymous insider sources that turned out to be accurate. You need some credibility in that area if you want to say your friend at MGM told you something. Since the release date for Clownhouse was scheduled for 08-24-04, I'll open another can of worms for a title that was/is supposed to be released on the same day; Swamp Thing. Let us now begin another thread devoted to Swamp Thing rumor and gossip. No facts, please.

Sunday Morning 08-21-04 10:09 PM

Frozen,

When I heard mgm was no longer going to be distributing clownhouse I picked up 3 copies. I am trading one of them. There is no mystery there.

Here's what I know:

Mgm cancelled the dvd release. They will no longer put it out.
The dvd is not being released on tuesday august 24th.
It will not be released by mgm.
So if anyone else wants to pick up the rights, it will be theirs to do what they wish with it.

"Lost the rights" is a general term. Like saying someone "Lost their lease". Sometimes it means financially, or simply because they backed away or dropped the deal. You could probably figure out why for this particular release.

How do I know that mgm will no longer be releasing the dvd? Heard it from them. It's not some big secret that anyone's hiding. You just need to be closer to the business to be in the know.

Leechboy 08-22-04 01:09 AM

I just bought one from this auction. I can only hope it is a real one.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...317507269&rd=1

bluesparrow 08-22-04 05:50 AM

what retailers might have it?

Sunday Morning 08-22-04 01:57 PM

frozen... you are too funny!

I only mentioned what mgm said because you asked me to.

I deleted that thread to start a fresh one. Like I usually do after a couple of days. Like others on the exchange board do.

Why would mgm no longer distrubute this film? Maybe it's because they could do whatever they want. It's their call. It's their money. It's their right to walk away from potential controversy, etc.

Let me ask you this, do you even care for the film? I sure do hope so if you're focusing your attention so keenly (and somwhat inaccurately might I add) on words from a message board.
I can understand why It might be misconstrued as the way it has, but to make accusastions. Too much.

conscience 08-22-04 03:56 PM


Originally posted by Frozen
Why would MGM manufacture a DVD, ship some of them out, suddenly realize they don't have the rights anymore and then not ship the rest of the product? It doesn't make any sense. I don't have any non-existant contacts in the business to get my information. I use www.copyright.gov
Obviously you were not around for the Ed Wood release. Studios can do this. They have the right to recall things or completely take a title "off of the board" for a release.

Sunday Morning 08-22-04 10:37 PM

Frozen, ever hear the expression "Making a mountain out of a molehill?" Take that energy young man and go to washington. Stir things up!

Gee wiz, Pa. That's what I get for trying to give people a heads up about a dvd.

CrumpsBrother 08-22-04 11:21 PM

Sorry, Frozen. Sunday Morning is correct. I have friends who work for MGM and they've confirmed that the studio lost its rights to CLOWNHOUSE (a release I was looking forward to) earlier this year. Unfortunately, my friends don't know why the DVD was pulled from the shelves last year, but they have confirmed that the scheduled release for this year was cancelled months ago.

So, any copies of this DVD that hit the shelf this Tuesday are ones that should have been returned to the studio and weren't.

Sunday, let me also congratulate you on the even-tempered handling of criticism. Keep the "heads up" coming when you have them!

onebyone 08-22-04 11:27 PM

Yeah, thanks Sunday Morning for the tip. I want this because I collect Sam Rockwell movies, so now I know to go get it off ebay while I can. I found a seller with very good feedback who seems not to sell boots, so I am going to get it from him.

ThatGuamGuy 08-23-04 09:51 AM


Originally posted by lcnickell
what store did you see them at, i'll pick one up for anyone who wants it, if i can find it.
I saw it in Manhattan ... I don't think we're supposed to cite stores which break street dates (my understanding is, there are studio people who come on here to check sometimes), but, I think, suffice it to say that if you live in Manhattan, and you know which stores break street dates, you should be able to find it.

I was thinking of picking one up, strictly as a short-term investment (because I know, as somebody said, that recall = illusion of rarity), but this argument has gotten too boring. I don't care enough about the movie to wait until it's settled. I get the feeling that even if almost every store didn't have it tomorrow, Frozen would deny that it was proof of a recall and say they didn't have it because the title was too obscure. And he may even be right, I can't tell, which is why I'm bored of the argument.

Has anybody just E-mailed MGM and *asked* them, or would that be too direct?

SMB-IL 08-23-04 10:51 AM

Amazon is also listing 23 copies at pretty reasonable prices

ebay and half.com also have copies -- but it looks as though some are aware that it's currently OOP.... "yes, I'll take one "Clownhouse" for $350.00 -- oh! and throw in a copy of Salo too!"

ThatGuamGuy 08-23-04 12:15 PM


Originally posted by PuddinTane
This is a prime example of how wild rumors start.
Your post is a better example. Wild rumors start when people read speculation and questions wrong, to wit:


You've got a poster who says MGM didn't make any new DVD's for the August 24 release date.
That's not true, he said that they quote "will not be releasing it anymore." The follow-up post was the one in which somebody assumed that this meant that the Aug 24 release date was for leftover stock.


Then somebody jumps to the conclusion that there's a recall. How the heck does that mean there's a recall? No one has claimed to have any inside knowledge of a recall.
Again, look back. I was the one who used the word recall. In what context? Let's see:
"do you mean that the MGM disc which was scheduled is being recalled?"

Then, as if that weren't enough to be postively *not* jumping to the conclusion, I further clarified that it wouldn't, technically, be a recall if it were before the release date.

As you can see, nobody has jumped to any conclusions about a recall. There are still questions open, namely:
- Were there any new discs made for the new release prior to its alleged cancellation?
- Is the release actually cancelled/recalled/etc.?

The fact is, Sunday Morning didn't answer questions addressed to him to clarify certain things, but I hardly think that asking those questions (to get clarification) is the same thing as jumping to conclusions.


There is, supposedly, no DVD to recall.
No, nobody has said the disc doesn't exist. Unless you're attempting to correct my use of "recall", in which case I'd point out that I myself qualified it by saying "It wouldn't technically be a recall" because it's pre-release, which seems to be what you mean.


A recall requires NOTIFYING parts of the distribution chain that the DVD is to be sent back. It's not something they do with brain waves. It's done with telephone calls, e-mail, letters, etc. Things that are evidence of a recall. Things that people see at work and then come home and post on the web.
All valid points, all could be taken as valid evidence that the release is proceeding on schedule.

On the other hand, I went to DVD pricesearch.com, and none of the sites they had linked as carrying the title actually did (Amazon still has the old version listed, no new release date on it).

Ocean_Mist 08-23-04 04:05 PM

Why is this DVD so hard to get? Doesn't look like it would be based on the web pages that were posted in this thread?

Ocean_Mist 08-23-04 04:10 PM


Originally posted by issues
I picked it up for 20 bucks but here is a online store that has it.

http://spam.com/


Originally posted by issues
They have in-stock for 14.99
Is this a good price for this . . . . ?

issues 08-23-04 06:57 PM

Yeah i paid 20 for it.

scarredgod 08-23-04 07:53 PM

i have seen the DVD and the only fact i know for this DVD is that the audio is screwed up, i dont know why everyone is so interested in tracking down a screwed up DVD, at any price. i guess it will be a showoff piece.

asianxcore 08-23-04 08:05 PM

is this movie any good?

emhello 08-23-04 08:17 PM

Yeah it's a decent horror/suspense flick. I'll wait for a re-release though before tracking down a sub-par version that is OOP.

issues 08-24-04 07:03 AM


Originally posted by scarredgod
i have seen the DVD and the only fact i know for this DVD is that the audio is screwed up, i dont know why everyone is so interested in tracking down a screwed up DVD, at any price. i guess it will be a showoff piece.
Well i watched it and audio was fine. Stop buying ebay bootlegs and you will not have that problem.

Deadman31 08-24-04 08:48 AM

I was looking at Amazon marketplace and neatly tucked between a few $16.99-$17.99 etc prices was a copy for $994 FULLY GUARANTEED***Not a copy or import*** , :0

I would hope it is guaranteed not to be a copy or import. Why not just ask for a gazillon jabillion dollars ? lol.

welb25 08-24-04 08:57 AM

I have also heard that the dialogue is barely in sync with the actors, like it was a bad dub job. This could be a problem with the original film I guess and not the dvd.

Alan Smithee 08-24-04 06:06 PM

I have the old laserdisc and the audio isn't out of sync on it (bought it used out of morbid curiosity.)

bluesparrow 08-25-04 02:07 PM

Ordered it for $14.99 from the website that apparantly we're not allowed to mention(in that it got erased from previous posts), they say it shipped. Guess we'll see.

SMB-IL 08-28-04 08:26 AM


Originally posted by bluesparrow
Ordered it for $14.99 from the website that apparantly we're not allowed to mention(in that it got erased from previous posts), they say it shipped. Guess we'll see.
I ordered from the same website (why wouldn't we be able to mention it? oh!, I see, because the parser changes it to spam.com -- well, suffice to say that Batman might shop there) and got it in 4 days. It's new and sealed and I didn't notice any audio sync issues and the video is fine for what it is -- the movie spends a lot of time in the dark, but I didn't see any graininess or "stuff" you might expect from a 1988 movie -- anamorphic 1.85:1, though....

Spoiler:
Too many 10-14 year old boys running around in their tighty-whiteys, so if you're sensitive to that sort of thing, this movie is a bit high on the "ewww..." scale. Maybe it's knowing the history of this film, but the underwear scenes just didn't seem integral to the story and were unnecessary. In addition, I think I counted 6 or 7 references to penises in the first 15 minutes of the movie. Other than that stuff, not a bad film -- the story is a little stupid, but not bad.

lcnickell 08-28-04 01:54 PM

I finally tracked down a copy for my friend, and - and yeah the DVD has no audio problems, anyone who mentions it, must have a bootleg, which i'm sure Ebay was full of after the first recall, and these things topping the $100 mark everytime out.

bluesparrow 08-28-04 08:28 PM

smb-il,

got mine from the un-nameable store really quickly....ordered it monday night, received it in thursday's mail. About as quick as amazon usually is.

I agree with your assessments of the dvd(and film) and I'd say the worst part for me was the Salva-ish elements you mentioned in the blackened part of your message. Also the score was fairly awful. The film was rather entertainin otherwise though, and I'm sure if I'd seen it as a kid it'd have terrified me.

I can't see spending more than the $15 I did on it, it's no classic. But an above average horror film and good for that price.


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