Criterion Collection: Where to start?
 

hey folks, I've began collecting some criterion dvds and I was curious as to which ones are the most recommended. I'm not too familiar with many foreign directors and movies so I figured Criterion dvds are a great way to start. Which ones should I pick up? Here's a list of what I have already

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Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
Rushmore
Rashomon
The Rock
Robocop
Chasing Amy
Stray Dog
Red Beard

What essentials am I missing?

I don't know if these two would be considered essential, but check out seven samurai and ikiru, great stuff.

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I don't know if I'd call it "essential", but The Royal Tenenbaums is pretty cheap and would probably appeal to you if you liked Rushmore.

The most impressive Criterion I've seen is Brazil; its only real flaw (aside from the price tag) is that it's non-anamorphic. Straw Dogs would be my next pick, especially since it's out-of-print but (for now) relatively easy to find.

Night and Fog

Criterion Collection: Where to start?

Spine #1 :D

Seriously though, it would be hard for me to recommend any of the films in the collection without knowing what you particularly like.....they can be expensive blind buys for someone not knowing exactly what to expect...having said that you very often get what you pay for, as on the whole the presentation is first rate.

My own particular favourites are :-

by Brakhage - just having any kind of work represented by the late great Stan Brakhage on the DVD format is a real treat.

The Fassbinder BRD Trilogy

The Complete Monterey Pop Festival

Rich, You're perfectly right, these can be pretty expensive blind buys. I was just hoping I could narrow the search a bit. Maybe it would help if I listed what I planned to get and what I'm missing from that list. These appear to be the most popular among collectors.

Hitchcock Box Set
Kurosawa Box Set
8 1/2
Straw Dogs
Do The Right Thing
Spartacus
400 Blows *This I really want
Seventh Seal

Spine # 1 is Grand Illusion. What's that about?

your best bet is to go here: http://www.criterionco.com/asp/

and just start reading.....there are usually long essays accompanying each title that will pique your interest for more movies than you can hope to afford :)

also visit and register at http://www.criterionforum.org/forum/

they have discussions for every title in the collection that will also help you to decide where to turn next.....but be forewarned, your wishlist is about to get very very expensive :)

My suggestion would be to sign up to Netflix & start renting.

A lot of people here are going to throw out names like Fassbinder, Fellini, Godard etc etc. You provided a list & yuo are clearly not to into the more bizarre, off-beat foreign cinema, you are a more mainstream guy.

Don't buy Crierions just for the sake of buying them (like most here seem to do), buy them b/c you enjoy the movies. You have a couple of Kurosawa, so that seems like a pretty obvious place to start, especially since there is a good Kurosawa selection on DVD. Although it's odd to have you first few Kurosawa movies & none of them being the Samurai classics. If they float your boat go for the Samurai Trilogy.

Life of Brian Criterion Collection, it's highly reccomend, it has a beautiful transfer and alots of extras.

Totally agree, for example I rented "By Brakhage", hated it. Netflix a few you think you're interested in and that have been recommended and buy from there, will save you money in the long run.

Cheers

I would definitely rent before purchasing. I don't know if you're interested in these films just for themselves or because it's a Criterion dvd. Either way, if you're not familiar with the films it's a bit of an investment DVD price-wise so I'd check it out first.

It also helps if you let us know the type of films you like. I recommend René Clair but a lot of people don't get into his films (the ones Criterion has are early talkies in French) Fear and Loathing is great, but I'd check out Time Bandits and Brazil first to get aquinted with Gilliam's style- it's not to everyone's taste (their loss!). I will say I haven't met anyone who dislikes Kurosawa, so his films would be a safe place to start. I could go on and on, but you'll get a lot more recommendations :)

Absolutely...hence why i would never recommend buying a Criterion without knowing what you are likely to get...and also due to spine #'s, the fact their catalogue isn't mainstream and internet gossip etc...a lot of 'collectors' feel as though they ought to make them part of their collection.

8 1/2

Contempt

Grand Illusion

Notorious

The Rules of the Game

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What he said.

You mentioned "Do the Right Thing" in one of your other posts... that's an excellent movie that is not as risky of a blind buy as some of those foreign ones. Hopefully you've at least seen one Spike Lee movie to know if you like him/his style. I recommend this one though. Excellent flick, excellent set.

Start with "The Killer" ... best...movie...ever!!!
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Seven Samurai
The Passion of Joan of Arc
The Seventh Seal
8 1/2
In the Mood for Love
Grand Illusion
Rebecca
Straw Dogs
Andrei Rublev
Ikiru
Do the Right Thing

The lesser known ones:
Ratcatcher
George Washington
Ballad of a Soldier
The Shop on Main Street

That's a good start!

thanks for all the input and recommendations, guys. I'll definitely start with Netflix and rent out many of titles mentioned. I'm definitely more mainstream than I want to be, but I really want to slowly transition into indie and foreign movies. Thanks for cautioning me to acquire titles that I actually want and not just for the sake of owning them. I actually once owned the kurosawa samurai set but returned it because it was sitting there collecting dust. It's seems as though I'm pretty much safe getting anything from Kurosawa, Fellini, Hitchcock, and Gilliam.

Of all the criterions, which is your absolute favorite?

Band of Outsiders for me. I just love everything about the movie. The attitude, Anna Karina, the best dance sequence ever, not the most loaded Criterion, but the breakdown of all ove Godard's references is great. The film is just genius. Godard is not for everyone, so it's probably worth a rental first.

Favorite: Straw Dogs

Where to start?....:o.....your bank account would be your best bet.

Pro-B

Right now, it's the credit card that's getting the action

Well here is my thoughts..

My favorite film ever is The Seventh Seal so I would start there..

I recommend also The Royal Tenenbaums since you have Rushmore.

Also a few of my favorites are 8 1/2, Down by Law, Straw Dogs, Ikiru, and The Rules of the Game.. all great films with packed discs. You get your moneys worth and more.

Definitely get a netflix account and start exploring.

Some of my favorites

Loaded disks:

The Third Man
In the Mood for Love
Do the Right Thing
Straw Dogs
Rebecca
Rules of the Game

Not so Loaded disks.

Black Orpheus
The Red Shoes
Man Bites Dog
Diabolique

Ones I didn't like:

Haxan
Alphaville
Discrete Charm of Burgouasjd;fjas (can't spell)

Lot of good films in the collection.

If you want a crash course in great foreign cinema à la Criterion, these would be my recommendations (I've limited these pics to foreign directors):

Michelangelo Antonioni: L'Avventura*

Ingmar Bergman: The Seventh Seal*, Wild Strawberries*

Robert Bresson: Diary of a Country Priest

Luis Buñuel: The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie

Marcel Carné: Children of Paradise*

Henri-Georges Clouzot: The Wages of Fear

Jean Cocteau: Beauty and the Beast

Carl Theodor Dreyer: The Passion of Joan of Arc*, Day of Wrath, Ordet*

Sergei Eisenstein: Ivan the Terrible, Parts I & II*, Alexander Nevsky

Rainer Werner Fassbinder: Ali: Fear Eats the Soul, The Marriage of Maria Braun, Veronika Voss (the last two are only available in the box set: Fassbinder's BRD Trilogy)

Federico Fellini: La Strada, The Nights of Cabiria, 8½*

Jean-Luc Godard: Contempt*, Band of Outsiders

Abbas Kiarostami: Taste of Cherry

Akira Kurosawa: The Seven Samurai* (wait for forthcoming re-release), Ikiru

Fritz Lang: M* (wait for re-release)

Jean-Pierre Melville: Le Cercle rouge

Yasujiro Ozu: Tokyo Story*, Floating Weeds/The Story of Floating Weeds

Gillo Pontecorvo: The Battle of Algiers (being released in September)

Jean Renoir: Grand Illusion*, The Rules of the Game*

Alain Resnais: Night and Fog, Hiroshima, mon amour

Andrei Tarkovsky: Andrei Rublev*, Solaris

Jacques Tati: M. Hulot's Holiday, Playtime (wait for re-release)

François Truffaut: The 400 Blows* (only available in the box set: The Adventures of Antoine Doinel)

Luchino Visconti: The Leopard

Wong Kar-wai: In the Mood for Love

* According to the most recent (2002) Sight and Sound poll of critics and directors, these 15 films were voted the greatest currently in the collection (along with Rashomon, which you already own)



If you want to include great English-language directors, I would add the following:

Alfred Hitchcock: Notorious*

Stanley Kubrick: Spartacus

David Lean: Brief Encounter

Michael Powell & Emeric Pressburger: Black Narcissus*, The Red Shoes

Carol Reed: The Third Man*

Preston Sturges: The Lady Eve*



Finally: I own about 170 Criterion films. But there are only six that I would rate as "perfect" (both the film and the DVD presentation):

The 400 Blows (Truffaut) [box set]
Children of Paradise (Carné)
Night and Fog (Resnais)
The Passion of Joan of Arc (Dreyer)
The Rules of the Game (Renoir)
Veronika Voss (Fassbinder) [box set]

Four others are very nearly perfect:

Diary of a Country Priest (Bresson)
In the Mood for Love (Wong)
The Seventh Seal (Bergman)
Tokyo Story (Ozu)

But that's just my opinion.

Buy only the ones you want. Otherwise you will have a collection critics like and you never watch. Been there, done that, sold them off.

My favorites are Solaris, Passion of Joan of Arc, Notorious, Do the Right Thing and Throne Of Blood. I think there's really too many, I love so many of their releases.

I agree with the Netflix idea - can try everything before you buy - will save you a bunch of money in the long run. That said, Criterion films have always made interesting viewing, even if I didn't "get" or like them.

Some directors to watch: Hitchcock, Kurosawa, Tati, Gilliam, Lean

Some of my favorites: The Seventh Seal, Sid and Nancy, Seven Samurai, Walkabout, Time Bandits, Life of Brian.

Oh, where to start. Almost across the board, the movies are great. Of course, different tastes will cause different favorites.
For me though, I would check out:

Kurosawa - Particularly The Seven Samurai, but any really. My other favorites are The Hidden Fortress and High and Low.

Powell & Pressburger - Again, they are all great, but my favorites are Black Narcissus (Ravishingly beautiful) and The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp.

Carne - Only 1 in the collection so far, but it is one of the most beautiful films I have ever seen - Children of Paradise.

Hitchcock - As for Hitch, probably the essentials are the recently out-of-print Notorious and Rebecca.

Bergman - My favorites are The Seventh Seal and particularly, Wild Strawberries.

Samuel Fuller - All 3 are crackerjack melodramas, but my favorite is the loopy Shock Corridor, followed by the noir Pickup on South St.

Fellini - Excellent films all, but particularly the more neorealist pictures La Strada and Nights of Cabiria.

Peckinpah - Straw Dogs is essential. It is brutal, so be warned, but is an amazing film. Definately his best/my favorite right along with The Wild Bunch.

Tati - Breezy, gently slapstick and I find M. Hulot's Holiday wonderful.

I could go on and on, but I will mention only 3 more that caught me by suprise in the past year.

The Lost Honor of Katharina Blum is fantastic

Hiroshima mon Amour seemed like it would be pretentious, but I ended up loving it. A true masterpiece.

Maitresse didn't really interest me that much, but I ended up loving it when I rented it.

Oh, I lied, as I would be negligent without compelling you to pick up one of the best releases of last year - Truffaut's The Adventures of Antoine Doinel.

Anyway, some of the other members are probably right about renting them first, because you never know what you might like or what you might not.

Beware, though, of By Brakhage and Jubilee. These are very avant garde and seem more polarizing than many other titles. You may love them though.

Thanks for everyone offering suggestions, recommendations, and for those who are reading this thread. So far, I've picked up 8 1/2, In the Mood for Love, The Royal Tenenbaums, and Band of Outsiders. I'll chime in with my thoughts once I get the chance to view them.

Preorder Slacker.

Preorder Battle of Algiers.

Four Samurai Kurosawa set vs. The Adventures Of Antoine Doinel

Which one would you choose?

Shouldn't even be a choice. A no brainer for the Kurosawa set. If you love film at all, the movies are beyond entertaining. The Doinel set is very acquired taste.

I'd choose the Doinel set first. To each their own.

Another vote for the Kurosawa set. I'd have bought it if I hadn't already bought all the discs individually.

As much as I love The 400 Blows, and the Doinel box set as a concept, I would say that the Akira Kurosawa: Four Samurai Classics gift pack has more re-watch-ability (particularly since the Doinel films declined in quality with each new installment). Besides, The Hidden Fortress is probably my favorite Kurosawa (and Yojimbo and The Seven Samurai are close behind)--there's not a dog in the bunch.

The only reason not to get the Kurosawa pack is the distinct possibility that Criterion will release an improved 2-disc edition of The Seven Samurai within the next year, and that we will eventually see anamorphic re-releases of both Yojimbo and Sanjuro down the line (with extra features).

Note that the Kurosawa pack is not a true "box set" by Criterion's standards: it's just a discounted packaging of the four separate releases in a lightweight disposable sleeve. The Doinel is a beautifully-designed, perfectly integrated 5-disc box set (with an exhaustive booklet, and the discs housed in individual Digipaks).

Beastie Boys Anthology
Picnic at Hanging Rock (moody, near bloodless, horror)
For All Mankind (if you've ever in your life looked at the stars and just wondered, this is an absolute buy)

Everybody sure has their own personal favorites. I'm hardly seeing any repeats

<b>THE THIRD MAN</b> - one of my personal "top 10 of all time" movies in a stunningly crisp black-and-white transfer. Orson Welles is mesmerizing and that zither music will haunt you for days!

Let me second the recommendation to preorder Battle of Algiers - it looks to be in the running to best release in the entire collection.

I'd also suggest Le Cercle Rouge - perhaps the "coolest" film i've ever seen. In french, but highly accessible crime caper drama. Rififi is also a must.