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orangeguy 05-11-04 06:20 PM

Should an English dubbed version of The Passion be released
 
Why no English dubbed version of The Passion of the Christ. Not everyone understands Latin and who wants to read subtitles for the entire movie anyway?

purplechoe 05-11-04 06:26 PM

HELL NO!!!

PS. When was a last time you actually read abook? Just curious.

Mike Lowrey 05-11-04 06:27 PM

I said "Yes" just for the reason so that it could be a choice in the Audio selection, and NOT just the ONLY version on the disc. They must keep the original Aramaic/Latin track in tact on any release.

kar10 05-11-04 06:27 PM

What about having Dub as an option like Anime:eyebrow:

TomOpus 05-11-04 06:28 PM

Re: Should an English dubbed version of The Passion be released
 

Originally posted by orangeguy
and who wants to read subtitles for the entire movie anyway?
Well, the movie made over $300 million... so I'd say A LOT of people do.

Who woulda thought, huh?

antennaball 05-11-04 06:34 PM

Absolutely not. It's the same concept as OAR. Mel Gibson very much wanted Aramaic with no subtitles, even.

LasVegasMichael 05-11-04 06:45 PM


Originally posted by antennaball
Absolutely not. It's the same concept as OAR. Mel Gibson very much wanted Aramaic with no subtitles, even.
I agree that this is similar to the OAR argument (as it would take away from the director's "vision" to dub it in English), but I would not be opposed to having this option available on the DVD, just as Spanish and French are available on most other releases.

I don't know about you guys, but when it is a movie I have seen before, I often just have it on in the bakcground while I am at home working or doing whatever, and not necessarily watching it every moment. In these instances, a dubbed English option would be great.

If I am not haveing a dedicated HT viewing (which is most of the time), I like to be able to listen all the time and watch at random without getting submersed only in the native tongue of the film.

mike45 05-11-04 07:08 PM

NO

Lara Means 05-11-04 07:12 PM

You're going to hell if you say Yes.

FrankTheTank 05-11-04 07:12 PM

No!! Keep it the original way, the way Gibson wanted us to see it.

Mike Lowrey 05-11-04 07:19 PM


Originally posted by LasVegasMichael
I agree that this is similar to the OAR argument (as it would take away from the director's "vision" to dub it in English), but I would not be opposed to having this option available on the DVD, just as Spanish and French are available on most other releases.

I don't know about you guys, but when it is a movie I have seen before, I often just have it on in the bakcground while I am at home working or doing whatever, and not necessarily watching it every moment. In these instances, a dubbed English option would be great.

If I am not haveing a dedicated HT viewing (which is most of the time), I like to be able to listen all the time and watch at random without getting submersed only in the native tongue of the film.

Exactly. This is the same feeling I get when I watched The Last Samurai. Here I am trying to shave while watching the film and there's all this damned Japanese language on there! Damn near shaved my nose off twisting my head around to see the subtitles. ;) :lol:

No, but really. This is also why I usually watch the English dub on Das Boot. Yes, the German version is the best, but like you I don't always sit glued to the screen and catch every subtitle. ALARM!!!!!

antennaball 05-11-04 07:24 PM

Um, is TPOTC really the type of movie you want playing in the background? You guys are quite different than me, then.

RyoHazuki 05-11-04 07:45 PM

(Sits there doing paperwork at desk)

(faintly in the backround)
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

(A calming thump of nails being pounded into a man's hands)
(Women weaping profusley)

ELOI!!!!!!! ELOI!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH

(Sighs gently. Takes a sip from a Diet Dr. Pepper and continues paperwork)

DodgingCars 05-11-04 08:09 PM

Only if they speak with British accents.

Max Bottomtime 05-11-04 08:11 PM

I prefer to play it in the background to brush up on my Aramaic. :lol:

Johnny Zhivago 05-11-04 08:30 PM

Ummm... No.

critterdvd 05-11-04 08:32 PM

I know the comparision is extacly the same, but putting an english audio track completely ruins the intentions of the director... how would you like to buy a copy of the Mona Lisa with Blonde Hair?

LasVegasMichael 05-11-04 08:43 PM


Originally posted by critterdvd
how would you like to buy a copy of the Mona Lisa with Blonde Hair?
Let's make it a more realistic comparison. If Mona Lisa was a painting that spoke in continuous dialouge I would prefer that there was a version of her "soundtrack" that I could listen to while I was working so I could understand what she was saying.

However, if I wanted to just sit in front of her for two hours and appreciate the art that she is, I would most certainly listen to her native tongue while she had my dedicated attention (and read her subtitles if available).

Sergio Perez-More 05-11-04 08:44 PM

No way!!!!!!!

island007 05-11-04 08:48 PM

If there is an option for a French or Spanish then there should be one for an English.

Matthew Chmiel 05-11-04 09:09 PM

No! Not at all!

DOWN WITH DUBS! NO OSL = NO SALE!

pro-bassoonist 05-11-04 09:32 PM

I would like them to dub it in Arabic!!

PatrickMcCart 05-11-04 09:45 PM

I watch other foreign films like 8 1/2 and M in their original soundtracks, so I'll do the same for The Passion.

The Latin/Aramaic dialogue is one of the things that make the film special... and it's not THAT hard to understand the dialogue. If you just have a slight memory of the moments from the Bible and/or have taken a vernacular language such as Italian, French, or Spanish, you can get the dialogue without even looking at the subtitles.


I wonder if The Passion could help bring foreign language films to mass audiences...

Chew 05-12-04 06:28 AM

No

Jericho 05-12-04 07:14 AM

I see no reason why. I mean it's an American film. It may be one thing to dub a foriegn film. But when the director actively chooses not to use English in an America film, there's a reason.

matome 05-12-04 07:32 AM

Nope.

Regurgitator 05-12-04 08:24 AM

WTF, are you all saying that this movie was made without being it in English? OMG!

Although I haven't seen it yet.. not my cup of tea... for an American movie I'm shocked!

jough 05-12-04 10:10 AM

I'm just hoping that the subtitles are player-generated and not burned-in. I'd like to be able to turn them off.

And what, you don't speak Aramaic or Latin?

WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO EDUCATION IN THIS COUNTRY?

Groucho 05-12-04 10:13 AM

No way. This film is basically the closest thing you'll get to a documentary about those times without actually going back in a time machine with a movie camera. Dubbing it into English undermines that completely.

Minor Threat 05-12-04 10:21 AM

no

Brian McHale 05-12-04 11:03 AM

First off, you're dreaming if you think there's ANY chance that this movie will be dubbed in ANY language. Face it, the director made a film using languages that NOBODY IN THE WORLD actually speaks. The whole point of the movie is to show how Christ died as realistically as possible. Part of that artistic vision was to use historically accurate language. These is absolutely no way that this movie will (or should) have English (or any other language) dubs.


I'm just hoping that the subtitles are player-generated and not burned-in. I'd like to be able to turn them off.
Don't worry, they're going to have multiple language subtitles, so they can't be burned in.

mikewendt 05-12-04 11:05 AM

ahhh no.

ThatGuamGuy 05-12-04 11:11 AM


Face it, the director made a film using languages that NOBODY IN THE WORLD actually speaks.
Aramaic is still spoken in various pockets of the Middle East.


Part of that artistic vision was to use historically accurate language.
Actually, it's generally considered *inaccurate*. Greek was the language spoken in Jerusalem at the time, though some of the Jews would've spoken Aramaic (and Hebrew).

It's not historically accurate in that sense, Gibson wanted it in Latin because whatever sect of Catholicism he belongs to things that all masses and other church services should be performed in Latin, and he sees this movie as a sort-of church service. The Aramaic is wrong, but again, it's following church teachings instead of actual history. (Which is fine, except that it can't be said to be "historically accurate" in that sense.)

ReduxGuy 05-12-04 11:51 AM

NO!

There is no need for a dubbed version.

It would ruin Mel's vision.

Look at Crouching Tiger. The dub job was horrible.

Groucho 05-12-04 11:55 AM

Actually, in terms of dubs, Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon is one of the better examples.

rexinnih 05-12-04 02:31 PM

nope

B.A. 05-12-04 02:49 PM

No. No. No.

MorE808 05-12-04 03:09 PM

<s>I think they should just not release this trash pile of a movie...they should put the subtitles to Mien Kampf on the alternate track, and a commentary with Hitlers grandson. All the jesus babies in america would love that Im sure...</s>

<i>please don't thread crap, if you don't like the movie, great... then say so constructively</i>

Groucho 05-12-04 03:13 PM


Originally posted by MorE808
I think they should just not release this trash pile of a movie...they should put the subtitles to Mien Kampf on the alternate track, and a commentary with Hitlers grandson. All the jesus babies in america would love that Im sure...
Suddenly, I regard baracine's posts and well-balanced and reasonable.

LasVegasMichael 05-12-04 03:45 PM

:rolleyes:

Ladies and gentleman, we have now a textbook definition of a POOR Thread Crap.

Now, back on topic. Although I would personally love a dubbed option on the standard release, I understand why those here oppose it due to the issue of the director's vision.

Despite my understanding of this, can anyone tell me that EVERY time they have a DVD playing on their screen that they are DEDICATED to doing nothing but watching it?

A simple option would be nice, wouldn't it. If not, why?

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