they should have the regular US cuts on these first plain DVDs, then the full color versions on the collector's edition releases... kinda like with the Lord of the Rings films.

To me it just boils down to being denied what others saw and that makes it worth hunting down for me.

While that is good news. Disney still seems against NC-17 ratings. Even if they are not looked at as 'porn' anymore,they will probably still be against them for various reasons.

Add in the fact that Miramax is lieing to us by calling the new Bad Santa release 'unrated' when it was submitted to the MPAA & rated R also proves they are still chicken to release something fully unrated(ie-not resubmitted for a rating).

Of course since they are calling it 'unrated'. They 'should' have no problem releasing Kill Bill unrated,but I don't see them doing that.

If they prove me wrong,I will be amazed & jumping with joy.

Yet until then,I will remain skeptical and most likely just get the Japanese release of Vol 1.

Also if they would have the guts to release those John Woo films they have ahold of fully uncut rating or no rating. I would actually be less critical of Miramax.

hmmm, i noticed in the article that "the cook, the thief..." was released by miramax? were they apart of disney back then?

Along with Kids and Working Girls.

No Miramax was not apart of Disney until I think 1994 or something. Before then,they were much more daring and better in releases..including uncut stuff. Then they totally sold out since then..& became the greedy souless bastards they are today selling anything for a profit,no matter how butchured

In fact,they are nowhere near an 'indie' studio anymore. The majority of their releases since She's All That are all mainstream films.

they are part of the Film Industry. It is impossible to at one point "SELL OUT" in it simply because the industry is all about selling a product.. Selling out is part of the business.

I've never understood the mentality to hate "selling out". Even Indie film makers want to "Sell out" because you want to make a product that is good and others will buy.

True. Though selling out in a Bob Dylan Victoria's Secret commercial type of way is not cool at all.

Uncut R1 I'm a little skeptical myself.Corporate politics prevented the film Scream being released its unrated form on DVD. Why would this be any different? I would love it uncut R1, but I personally think its chances are very slim myself. But miracles do happen sometimes, I guess lol.

Not to go to off topic on this, but I think by the very nature, Bob Dylan "Sold out" when he bearly got into the music industry. He signed a contract with a big company to SELL records. I think folks forget that these sorts of things are a business and are not just an artform.

The art form comes second, first comes the ability to sell it. By that nature alone, all these folks "sold out". and I don't mean it in a bad way. Remember, any job is about making money and creating the best quality whatever. This thread title makes perfect sense
"Criterion Is A Business, Not A Museum"

Getting back onto topic, seeing how Dimension Films is releasing an unrated version of Bad Santa (horribly named: Badder Santa), this could very well mean Miramax will release an unrated version of Kill Bill. It doesn't make it concrete or anything, but QT has some pull over at Miramax to do this. Here's to hoping it happens

A little off topic but, what were Sofie's cut body parts? In the movie it looked like she was okay save for her severed arm when she was talking to Bill at the end.

Where can I find photos of the gore cut from the Western theatrical release of Vol. 1? Behind the scenes photos will do just fine.

I thought I heard that it shows the Bride cut off Sofie's other arm, I could be wrong though.

Jack,but the selling out in Miramax case is. They started out as a business to release daring,up & coming non-mainstream independent film and foriegn films into theaters and on video.

They self congratulated themselves as an 'art' studio and had decent success,but nothing major over the years. But it seemed that was what they intended to do...or so they claim.

Then somewhere around the time they started making alot of money off some movies(Pulp Fiction,The Crow & Scream all being huge money makers). They then looked only at the money side of it and not the 'art' side. So they keep trying to sanitize,clean up,play the corporate game as much as possible in order to make box office,over good films. So now that they are not even an 'indie' studio,nor 'daring' anymore. They have truely sold out in a bad way.



Musicwise,Liz Phair 'sold out' by completely changing her image to be more teeny bopper popish,despite being 40 years old and far out of TRL range by actually making music with substance. That is just sad..and again what people mean by 'selling out'.

Nothing wrong with making money by doing something you love. But compromising your art(Liz Phair..& Miramax) and kissing up to the corporates in order to make income is selling out.

there's been plenty of R1 unrated releases..so there is alwyas a glimmer of hope.

In the Japanese version, the Bride cuts off Sofie's remaining arm at the elbow.

I think that's the issue. Liz Phair sold out Loooong ago. She sold out when she signed that big record company deal. Changing her image to appeal to others is not what I would consider "Selling Out". I would consider it a change of image. A creative change in her public image. simple as that.

The Very Nature of the industry is to sell your product and doing everything possible to ensure that you are doing that. I think the mentality of the "oh! they sold out!" comes from the need to want to keep something to yourself or to a sort of "Underground" soceity. Bands are created to get there songs out to the most number of folks possible. But when they do that and go "Mainstream", they get a lot of backlash from those who were there with them at the beginning because now there shirts are being sold at hot topic and there songs are on the top 40 stations. They "sold out" to the eyes of those fans simply because they did what they set out to do. Get the most ears hearing there songs.

In the case of Mirmax

And they still do that. Not many other studios will be willing to distribute a lot of the films they accure. Sure they treat them like crap and keep them sitting on the shelf (I wont defend them on that), but those R2 companies don't have the ability to fully get a distribution out here on there own. Mirmax is still set on getting non-mainstream (to Joe-six-pack of the U.S.) independent and foriegn films into theaters, they just do it under a different company tree branch. Much like Criterion needs to release some of those non criterion-ish films to make a buck and keep afloat, so does the other companies.

That wouldn't be considered selling out, it's considered Staying in business. And to relate the two, should the roxy only host indie bands and turn up offers from bigger bands just to stay "indie" to the public eye? It's a business first, an artform second.