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Old 03-31-04 | 05:28 PM
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If "The Matrix" gets remastered....

Do you suppose the color scheme of the scenes within the Matrix itself will get redone to match that of the sequels. I say this because the green tone was a lot more subtle in The Matrix (with the exceptions of Neo's meeting with the boss at Metacortex and the subway battle) than it was in The Matrix Reloaded and The Matrix Revolutions. Also, the green was more of a pale green than it is in the sequels. The real world scenes look all pretty much the same in color and tonality through the three movies.

I just wonder if the first film is remastered for the boxset, if it's color scheme would be altered to make all three films more uniform in appearance.
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Old 03-31-04 | 05:33 PM
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Well I hope not because well this is kinda like the old Lucas debate. Don't try to go back and fix the old movies to match the new crappy ones.
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Old 03-31-04 | 06:06 PM
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That's an interesting question - I too noticed the pale green color tones for the Matrix sequels that were only somewhat present in the original film. It would be cool to see what the original film would look like with the new color scheme, but when it comes right down to it, I far prefer the true, original, version of a film to any re-edited editions. Maybe an alternate version of the film or something would be included in this case. Remastering its picture and sound quality is definitely something I would like to see happen, though.
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Old 03-31-04 | 06:08 PM
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I would love to see dts slapped on the dvd. I didnt even think the picture quality was even that bad. I guess it could always be made better but maybe more extras? Im sure they have plenty to create another disc.
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Old 03-31-04 | 06:12 PM
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I'm not saying this should happen. But it's a possibility. Directors go back and change things every so often. We've just become increasingly aware of the changes.

I too would love to see the film remastered but wonder (and perhaps worry) if the studio, producer and/or directors might push to have to color scheme altered to match the sequels.

Personally I prefer the older color scheme since it was more subtle but do like how the flesh tones are better preserved (even though the green is jacked up) in the sequels.

So this wasn't a recomendation on my part. Rather it was a thought that just struck me.
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Old 03-31-04 | 07:52 PM
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This is why I will hold on to the current version no matter what.
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Old 03-31-04 | 08:00 PM
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Keep the color scheme, clean up the grain and artifacts.
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Old 03-31-04 | 08:46 PM
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Funny this thread is here. I just rewatched the Matrix through last night and this morning (gearing up for next week's release of Revolutions). Just popped in Reloaded this evening.

The thing I noticed about the original Matrix transfer is that, well for one, the average transfer rate only averages out at around 5 mbps. Reloaded averages at around 8 mbps. That's number one.

Number two, the black levels and shadow detail is extremely lacking.

Give us a new remastered transfer at an 8 mbps rate and clean up the grain and I'll be happy. Actually the DD sound mix is pretty impressive for a '99 DVD. Ranks right up there with T3.

As far as color timing the Matrix "real world" to match the sequals, I don't know. I need to rewatch Reloaded to refresh my memory on that. And then I can comment on that.
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Old 03-31-04 | 08:54 PM
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I doubt theyd do that. The green tint is there in the first matrix is there, just not as noticable.
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Old 03-31-04 | 10:11 PM
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I never noticed a diff.

In the theatres tho, I thought they didnt even bother with the green effect. My eyes just must have gotten used to it.
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Old 04-01-04 | 10:43 AM
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Well I hope not because well this is kinda like the old Lucas debate. Don't try to go back and fix the old movies to match the new crappy ones.
Adjusting the color timing is not quite the same thing as adding or removing footage. The Wachowskis could easily argue that the old transfer was not an accurate representation of their original photography, and that it needs a remaster for that reason.
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Woah, I guess I'm going insane then, because the first time I watched the first Matrix movie on DVD I thought there was something with my screen because it was so green. Then, the last time I watche Reloaded I didn't even notice the green tint...

Cosmic...

I'd better watch both movies again to make sure I still see right.
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Old 04-01-04 | 12:43 PM
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Well, just finished rewatching Reloaded, and the only scenes that had a green-tint to them were city scapes (car chase scene), and a the Trinity fight scene at the end. The rest looked fairly real-color accurate to me. The multi-Smith fight with Neo looked natural.
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Old 04-01-04 | 01:57 PM
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Transfer itself looks great on Matrix. It's the damned compression artifacts that are the problem. If those were removed, it would look great.
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Old 04-01-04 | 05:45 PM
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Like I said before, the colors and flesh tones throughout the sequels are acurate. Even moreso than that of the first film. But the color green itself is more prominent in the sequels. It's there throughout the first film whenever a scene takes place in the Matrix but it's more subdued in The Matrix. It's a lot more obvious in the sequels. Though I don't count the freeway chase in The Matrix Reloaded since the green was on overkill there much like it was in the first scene in the Metacortex building in The Matrix.

The Burly Brawl looks just fine because all the scenes that take place in the location where this fight occurs (including Neo's conversation with the Oracle) has a color scheme that is akin to that found in the first film.

I guess the overdone green could just be due to Smith dicking around with the Matrix in the sequels and things were only supposed to seem somewhat amiss in the first film so its much more subtle. But I have no proof of that one way or another. So I wonder, like Josh said, if the color scheme in the sequels is more in tune with what the Wachowskis had in mind all along and thus they might have that changed when/if the first film gets remastered.

As for the remaster itself, I hope a new transfer would do away with the blue shadows. I remember a big deal was made that the Wachowskis wanted all traces of the color blue removed from the scenes within the Matrix itself because they consider blue to be a "happy" color. This is why it bugged me that many times shadows appear blue rather than black in this film. Not bright blue, mind you. It's like a navy blue. And it's not always. Prominent examples are when Trinity is on the phone with Morpheus just after she finished off the cops (all the shadows covering her body are blue), when Morpheus is having his first meeting with Neo (all the shadows on Neo are acurate tones of black and/or grey whereas they are bluish on Morpheus) and, after the infamous "doge this" scene, the shadow under Neo, as Trinity is about to help him up, is blue. There are more but these are the ones that usually stand out the most to me when I watch the DVD.

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I guess it could always be made better but maybe more extras? Im sure they have plenty to create another disc.
They already have. They called it "The Matrix Revisited" - it's a feature-length documentary about the making of the first film.
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