FBI to put "seal" on DVDs
02-19-04 | 04:01 PM
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FBI to put "seal" on DVDs
The Federal Bureau of Investigation announced a new antipiracy warning label Thursday that will be used on digital music, movies and software, cautioning of legal consequences for people involved in piracy.
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The new label announced Thursday draws on the familiar warning messages contained on virtually all Hollywood videocassettes. In this case, it will come in the form of a "seal" that will be affixed to physical products, or displayed as a digital file if downloaded online, cautioning that unauthorized copying can be subject to prosecution.
The exact form of the seal will be determined by the producer of the product, and is still being worked out by music, movie and software companies, the trade association representatives said.
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The new label announced Thursday draws on the familiar warning messages contained on virtually all Hollywood videocassettes. In this case, it will come in the form of a "seal" that will be affixed to physical products, or displayed as a digital file if downloaded online, cautioning that unauthorized copying can be subject to prosecution.
The exact form of the seal will be determined by the producer of the product, and is still being worked out by music, movie and software companies, the trade association representatives said.
I'm sure it'll be well-placed such that it maximizes damage to the case and inserts and leaves a sticky residue on your disc.
02-19-04 | 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by Todd B.
http://news.com.com/2100-1025_3-5161...l?tag=nefd_top
I'm sure it'll be well-placed such that it maximizes damage to the case and inserts and leaves a sticky residue on your disc.
http://news.com.com/2100-1025_3-5161...l?tag=nefd_top
I'm sure it'll be well-placed such that it maximizes damage to the case and inserts and leaves a sticky residue on your disc.
I personally have no problem with this, as I don't copy DVDs and I don't transfer DVD files to my computer to allow people to upload. The only people who would have a real problem with this are those already breaking the law.
02-19-04 | 04:12 PM
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Re: Re: FBI to put "seal" on DVDs
Originally posted by calhoun07
Huh? They are talking about an electronic seal, a computer file that will attatch itself to anything somebody illegally puts online for download.
I personally have no problem with this, as I don't copy DVDs and I don't transfer DVD files to my computer to allow people to upload. The only people who would have a real problem with this are those already breaking the law.
Huh? They are talking about an electronic seal, a computer file that will attatch itself to anything somebody illegally puts online for download.
I personally have no problem with this, as I don't copy DVDs and I don't transfer DVD files to my computer to allow people to upload. The only people who would have a real problem with this are those already breaking the law.
Even if it were that case, an electronic seal, I truly doubt that it would stop much...unfortunately (fortunately?), someone will always crack these copyright and piracy protections.
02-19-04 | 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by jaeufraser
Umm, you know, that article is about the FBI putting a physical label on, not an electronic. Read it again...the original poster is correct.
Even if it were that case, an electronic seal, I truly doubt that it would stop much...unfortunately (fortunately?), someone will always crack these copyright and piracy protections.
Umm, you know, that article is about the FBI putting a physical label on, not an electronic. Read it again...the original poster is correct.
Even if it were that case, an electronic seal, I truly doubt that it would stop much...unfortunately (fortunately?), someone will always crack these copyright and piracy protections.
In this case, it will come in the form of a "seal" that will be affixed to physical products, or displayed as a digital file if downloaded online
02-19-04 | 04:30 PM
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When they talk about a "seal" being "affixed" to "physical products," I don't think they're waxing metaphorical. I think they literally mean a sticky seal on the product. The quotes are probably to denote that the nomenclature came from the FBI without further clarification as to what form exactly this "seal" would take.
Now where that seal will be placed and how much damage it'll do to the product in taking it off is certainly a concern. I'm afraid of Shrek-like stickers.
Now where that seal will be placed and how much damage it'll do to the product in taking it off is certainly a concern. I'm afraid of Shrek-like stickers.
02-19-04 | 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by Todd B.
When they talk about a "seal" being "affixed" to "physical products," I don't think they're waxing metaphorical. I think they literally mean a sticky seal on the product. The quotes are probably to denote that the nomenclature came from the FBI without further clarification as to what form exactly this "seal" would take.
Now where that seal will be placed and how much damage it'll do to the product in taking it off is certainly a concern. I'm afraid of Shrek-like stickers.
When they talk about a "seal" being "affixed" to "physical products," I don't think they're waxing metaphorical. I think they literally mean a sticky seal on the product. The quotes are probably to denote that the nomenclature came from the FBI without further clarification as to what form exactly this "seal" would take.
Now where that seal will be placed and how much damage it'll do to the product in taking it off is certainly a concern. I'm afraid of Shrek-like stickers.
02-19-04 | 04:39 PM
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I just cannot see how that could be possible or help anybody out stop piracy
How to put it on electronic files? well for cd's and dvd's the only place they can put it is on the products package and on a film at the start of the film with this image:
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02-19-04 | 04:46 PM
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If it is a sticker, all I ask for it to do is to be able to come off as easilly as those pesky PMRC stickers (unless they print it directly on the cover, like a comic book code, and some other PMRC lables I have seen).
02-19-04 | 04:46 PM
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Their boring interruptions at the beginning of every DVD has done alot to stop piracy so far. It's good to know they'll now delay the start of our movies by several more minutes. That'll help alot.
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02-19-04 | 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by calhoun07
And I can totally understand where somebody would get that idea from reading that, but the sentence it's in doesn't end with a period after it talks about the physical product having the seal; it goes on to talk about how it will show up as an electronic file if uploaded to the Internet. How can a sticker on the DVD do that? I just cannot see how that could be possible or help anybody out stop piracy.
And I can totally understand where somebody would get that idea from reading that, but the sentence it's in doesn't end with a period after it talks about the physical product having the seal; it goes on to talk about how it will show up as an electronic file if uploaded to the Internet. How can a sticker on the DVD do that? I just cannot see how that could be possible or help anybody out stop piracy.
"or displayed as a digital file if downloaded online"
I believe what that means is that if you buy a digital download, it'll have a warning pop-up before you play it. For example, if you buy a song off iTunes Music Store, or a film from ifilm.com, it'll have the warning pop up before you play the file. Analogous to the warning sticker on your physical purchase before you open it.
I don't think it meant that they will embed something into the digital files on physically purchased products that will pop up if you upload it to the Internet.
02-19-04 | 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by tacomantt
And what's the point? There are already warnings on every DVD and VHS that's been on the market for the past 20 years.
And what's the point? There are already warnings on every DVD and VHS that's been on the market for the past 20 years.
02-19-04 | 07:09 PM
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Yeah, I'm sure one of the main problems with piracy is that people aren't aware that it's against the law. 
Glad the government/FBI can now step in and add helpful stickers to products. In additional to (sometimes non-skipable) notices before the film. That'll stop people from copying. I'm pretty darn sure of it.
Who is paying for this sticker campaign? The consumer? The taxpayer? Friggin waste of time, effort, and money.
Glad the government/FBI can now step in and add helpful stickers to products. In additional to (sometimes non-skipable) notices before the film. That'll stop people from copying. I'm pretty darn sure of it.
Who is paying for this sticker campaign? The consumer? The taxpayer? Friggin waste of time, effort, and money.
02-19-04 | 07:20 PM
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If this seal or label is anything like the ones BBV used in the past, I guess I'll just buy dvds from another country. 
02-19-04 | 07:36 PM
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or worse...
02-19-04 | 08:45 PM
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Some of you are really getting anal about this topic. It's not like they are going to screw up your disc art or your front cover. The warnings may be old, but the new revamp is made to point out and put a hard focus that it's a federal crime to copy it. that's all. a gimmick.
"OMG!! THEY ARE GOING TO RUIN MY INSERT IMAGE!!"
relax, It wont get to that point sheesh.
"OMG!! THEY ARE GOING TO RUIN MY INSERT IMAGE!!"
relax, It wont get to that point sheesh.
02-19-04 | 09:05 PM
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No doubt it wont work for crap. But I think the idea that it will screw up the way a dvd looks is a little mich. turn just about any dvd around that you own. Look at the lower thirds. see all that fine print? Notice the FBI logo? Well this action is simply to add an extra point that it's not only a crime.. it's a Federal "pound you in the rear jail" crime to pirate. 
02-19-04 | 09:17 PM
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I can say that I have received DVDs in the mail with an FBI seal on the mailing box it was packaged in. The packing tape had an FBI warning surreptitiously printed on it. I cannot say for sure it was for copy protecting the media or tampering with the mail. I cannot fully recall the message-- I just wanted to rip it open to get my DVD (who reads these warnings anyway???).
02-19-04 | 09:58 PM
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What about people who make backup copies of DVDs they already own? In the past I was under the impression that if you bought a DVD, you were entitled to make a backup copy of it in case somethine were to ever happen to the original. I guess that rule no longer applies. Maybe the new warning will say we aren't allowed to own any copy of DVDs we already own, so when the DVD finally doesn't work, it's time to buy another one. Sounds like a nice little racket to me. Can anyone say "disposable DVD"?
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02-19-04 | 11:28 PM
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What does that have to do with anything? You will still be able to make a back up copy of your dvd's. this is just a logo/wrap around that wont stop you from doing anything...
02-20-04 | 01:46 AM
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It is not nor has it ever been legal for you to make backup copies of your DVDs, if only because it is illegal under the Digital Millenium Copyright Act to circumvent DVD's copy protection (remember deCSS?).
So yes, you can't legally make a copy of the DVDs you purchased. Doesn't that piss you off?
So yes, you can't legally make a copy of the DVDs you purchased. Doesn't that piss you off?