Are DVDs safe stored in sub-zero temperature?
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Found this on some newsgroup at Stanford:
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There is a standard for optical media storage: ISO 18925:2002 Imaging Materials - Optical Disc Media - Storage Practices. It is available for purchase from the ISO store: http://www.iso.ch/iso/en/prods-servi...re/store.html.
According to "Preservation Management of Digital Materials" by Maggie Jones and Neil Beagrie (published by the British Library in 2001 and available online here: http://www.dpconline.org/graphics/handbook/), optical media should be stored under the following conditions:
10 to 50°C and 10 to 80% RH for the access environment
-10 to 50°C and 5 to 90% RH for the "non-operating environment"
18 to 22°C and 35 to 45% RH for long-term storage.
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Down to -10 C is pretty darn cold. I can't imagine your basement is colder than that.
According to that you should be fine.
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There is a standard for optical media storage: ISO 18925:2002 Imaging Materials - Optical Disc Media - Storage Practices. It is available for purchase from the ISO store: http://www.iso.ch/iso/en/prods-servi...re/store.html.
According to "Preservation Management of Digital Materials" by Maggie Jones and Neil Beagrie (published by the British Library in 2001 and available online here: http://www.dpconline.org/graphics/handbook/), optical media should be stored under the following conditions:
10 to 50°C and 10 to 80% RH for the access environment
-10 to 50°C and 5 to 90% RH for the "non-operating environment"
18 to 22°C and 35 to 45% RH for long-term storage.
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Down to -10 C is pretty darn cold. I can't imagine your basement is colder than that.
According to that you should be fine.
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A very cold (even down to sub-zero fahrenheit) storage environment will really only have a notable physical effect on organic materials - ie, those which contain water molecules which readily freeze at such temperatures. Inorganic materials, such as the plastic that DVD's are made of, don't go through any significant physical change until very low temperatures - much closer to absolute zero (0 degrees kelvin) than any temperature you're likely to achieve in your cellar (assuming you don't live in atop a mountain in Antarctica or something).
And the presumption that it is necessary to "thaw out" cold DVD's before using them is just plain ridiculous from a scientific standpoint.
And the presumption that it is necessary to "thaw out" cold DVD's before using them is just plain ridiculous from a scientific standpoint.
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Originally posted by Sex Fiend
A very cold (even down to sub-zero fahrenheit) storage environment will really only have a notable physical effect on organic materials - ie, those which contain water molecules which readily freeze at such temperatures. Inorganic materials, such as the plastic that DVD's are made of, don't go through any significant physical change until very low temperatures - much closer to absolute zero (0 degrees kelvin) than any temperature you're likely to achieve in your cellar (assuming you don't live in atop a mountain in Antarctica or something).
And the presumption that it is necessary to "thaw out" cold DVD's before using them is just plain ridiculous from a scientific standpoint.
A very cold (even down to sub-zero fahrenheit) storage environment will really only have a notable physical effect on organic materials - ie, those which contain water molecules which readily freeze at such temperatures. Inorganic materials, such as the plastic that DVD's are made of, don't go through any significant physical change until very low temperatures - much closer to absolute zero (0 degrees kelvin) than any temperature you're likely to achieve in your cellar (assuming you don't live in atop a mountain in Antarctica or something).
And the presumption that it is necessary to "thaw out" cold DVD's before using them is just plain ridiculous from a scientific standpoint.
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Originally posted by Sex Fiend
A very cold (even down to sub-zero fahrenheit) storage environment will really only have a notable physical effect on organic materials - ie, those which contain water molecules which readily freeze at such temperatures. Inorganic materials, such as the plastic that DVD's are made of, don't go through any significant physical change until very low temperatures - much closer to absolute zero (0 degrees kelvin) than any temperature you're likely to achieve in your cellar (assuming you don't live in atop a mountain in Antarctica or something).
And the presumption that it is necessary to "thaw out" cold DVD's before using them is just plain ridiculous from a scientific standpoint.
A very cold (even down to sub-zero fahrenheit) storage environment will really only have a notable physical effect on organic materials - ie, those which contain water molecules which readily freeze at such temperatures. Inorganic materials, such as the plastic that DVD's are made of, don't go through any significant physical change until very low temperatures - much closer to absolute zero (0 degrees kelvin) than any temperature you're likely to achieve in your cellar (assuming you don't live in atop a mountain in Antarctica or something).
And the presumption that it is necessary to "thaw out" cold DVD's before using them is just plain ridiculous from a scientific standpoint.
http://www.psrc.usm.edu/macrog/tg.htm
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Originally posted by Quatermass
Plastic/vinyl/etc DOES become brittle as it gets colder. Here's some science for you, though it does not mention DVDs specifically:
http://www.psrc.usm.edu/macrog/tg.htm
Plastic/vinyl/etc DOES become brittle as it gets colder. Here's some science for you, though it does not mention DVDs specifically:
http://www.psrc.usm.edu/macrog/tg.htm
I think the issue here is whether statically exposing your DVD's to environmentally uncomfortable indoor (yet non-extreme) temperatures has any negative effect on them. I'm quite sure such an effect would be neglible at worst. I wouldn't recommend leaving them outside in the snow, but unless you are planning to cryonically freeze them, they should be quite alright just stored in your basement.
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Originally posted by Quatermass
Plastic/vinyl/etc DOES become brittle as it gets colder. Here's some science for you, though it does not mention DVDs specifically:
http://www.psrc.usm.edu/macrog/tg.htm
Plastic/vinyl/etc DOES become brittle as it gets colder. Here's some science for you, though it does not mention DVDs specifically:
http://www.psrc.usm.edu/macrog/tg.htm
But ONLY at a significantly low temperature.
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That is a combination of cold and physical stress. I doubt we are talking about physical stress on a DVD in a case.
2 points:
Be more cautious about pulling a DVD out of the case when cold. Due to increased brittleness. Obviously a case with a used/looser spindle will prevent this anyway.
Avoid water and cold. Water expands when freezing, unlike all other materials. This is why cold (normal cold, not LOX or nitrogen) destroys things; water gets in, freezes/expands, and breaks the item in question. Shouldn't be too much of a problem as DVDs are sealed.
2 points:
Be more cautious about pulling a DVD out of the case when cold. Due to increased brittleness. Obviously a case with a used/looser spindle will prevent this anyway.
Avoid water and cold. Water expands when freezing, unlike all other materials. This is why cold (normal cold, not LOX or nitrogen) destroys things; water gets in, freezes/expands, and breaks the item in question. Shouldn't be too much of a problem as DVDs are sealed.
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First, I never called anyone a liar in this thread. In response to an individual who stated some members had said they boiled DVD's, without providing any source, I responded that some people lie online. This is true. I have no way of knowing who said this about boiling, nor am I obligated to research it in order to challenge an unsourced claim.
Second, sub-zero temperatures are very cold. Most basements are not sub-zero. Mine is not. I would not store any valuables in sub-zero temperatures at all.
Second, sub-zero temperatures are very cold. Most basements are not sub-zero. Mine is not. I would not store any valuables in sub-zero temperatures at all.
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Originally posted by EPKJ
...I would not store any valuables in sub-zero temperatures at all.
...I would not store any valuables in sub-zero temperatures at all.
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Originally posted by Sex Fiend
Ted Williams' head is stored at sub-zero temperatures. What, that's not valuable ??
Ted Williams' head is stored at sub-zero temperatures. What, that's not valuable ??
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Originally posted by EPKJ
First, I never called anyone a liar in this thread. In response to an individual who stated some members had said they boiled DVD's, without providing any source, I responded that some people lie online. This is true. I have no way of knowing who said this about boiling, nor am I obligated to research it in order to challenge an unsourced claim.
Second, sub-zero temperatures are very cold. Most basements are not sub-zero. Mine is not. I would not store any valuables in sub-zero temperatures at all.
First, I never called anyone a liar in this thread. In response to an individual who stated some members had said they boiled DVD's, without providing any source, I responded that some people lie online. This is true. I have no way of knowing who said this about boiling, nor am I obligated to research it in order to challenge an unsourced claim.
Second, sub-zero temperatures are very cold. Most basements are not sub-zero. Mine is not. I would not store any valuables in sub-zero temperatures at all.
I never said that you called me a liar. Here's what I said:
I know that I shouldn't get upset regarding this statement, but being somewhat of a long time member of this forum I find that I'm bothered by the inferment that I / others have lied in regards to boiling.
I further explain why your and other's statements bother me. Perhaps next time something along the lines of this statement should be stated:
"I myself am incredulous regading this _______ method. Perhaps it would be in your best interest to do a search to see if there if any more corroborating evidence and then see for yourself as to whether or not you want to test it's merits".
I will state it again: I do NOT post here at DVDTalk in the hopes that other DVDTalkers will ruin their DVD collections. I post here to share relevant information and to gain same.
I've said enough on this topic.
Again, I am having no playback problems with any of my DVDs that are being stored in my cold attic.
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I had a bad disc once and I boiled it for 2 minutes. I sh_t you not. It worked. Really.
Next, I had a bad DVD-R and tried it again. This time boiling fixed the read errors for about 5 minutes. After repeated heating and cooling sessions I was able to get my data.
True it is.
Next, I had a bad DVD-R and tried it again. This time boiling fixed the read errors for about 5 minutes. After repeated heating and cooling sessions I was able to get my data.
True it is.
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Re: Re: Are DVDs safe stored in sub-zero temperature?
Exactly...???
Unless thats where your porn collection is hidden?
Unless thats where your porn collection is hidden?
Originally posted by talemyn
I am a little curious (and very surprised that no one has asked yet) . . . why are you storing DVD's in your cellar?
I am a little curious (and very surprised that no one has asked yet) . . . why are you storing DVD's in your cellar?
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"Ted Williams' head is stored at sub-zero temperatures. What, that's not valuable ??"
This statement combined with your chosen nickname, Sex Fiend, causes me not to inquire why you might consider a frozen head valuable.
This statement combined with your chosen nickname, Sex Fiend, causes me not to inquire why you might consider a frozen head valuable.
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"People mentioned in this forum that they hard boil their DVDs. So I reckon they will survive a deep freeze as well."
My post was in response to the above post by eau, speedy1961. You would know that if you actually bothered to read the thread instead of waxing sarcastic. Eau's statement was unsourced. My reply was completely appropriate and did not call anyone a liar.
My post was in response to the above post by eau, speedy1961. You would know that if you actually bothered to read the thread instead of waxing sarcastic. Eau's statement was unsourced. My reply was completely appropriate and did not call anyone a liar.
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Originally posted by EPKJ
"People mentioned in this forum that they hard boil their DVDs. So I reckon they will survive a deep freeze as well."
My post was in response to the above post by eau, speedy1961. You would know that if you actually bothered to read the thread instead of waxing sarcastic. Eau's statement was unsourced. My reply was completely appropriate and did not call anyone a liar.
"People mentioned in this forum that they hard boil their DVDs. So I reckon they will survive a deep freeze as well."
My post was in response to the above post by eau, speedy1961. You would know that if you actually bothered to read the thread instead of waxing sarcastic. Eau's statement was unsourced. My reply was completely appropriate and did not call anyone a liar.
Thanks.
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"Thanks for responding definitively again EPKJ. Your response proves again what I suspected. That you truly are a BMKIA."
No, my response proves that you were wrong in your sarcastic accusations since my post was made in reference to someone other than you. Now accept reality and move on.
No, my response proves that you were wrong in your sarcastic accusations since my post was made in reference to someone other than you. Now accept reality and move on.
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Originally posted by EPKJ
Eau's statement was unsourced.
Eau's statement was unsourced.
http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthr...77#post4397677
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Originally posted by eau
I didn't make the statement. I simply recalled what's already mentioned previously. The Source...
http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthr...77#post4397677
I didn't make the statement. I simply recalled what's already mentioned previously. The Source...
http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthr...77#post4397677
Thank you for the source.




