Universal is at it again with forced trailers on American Wedding
12-16-03, 05:35 PM
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Originally posted by talemyn
I like trailers at the beginning . . . in the days of VHS (and sometimes now), that's where I learned about some of the little known gems that I would never have known about
I like trailers at the beginning . . . in the days of VHS (and sometimes now), that's where I learned about some of the little known gems that I would never have known about
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12-16-03, 07:08 PM
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"Forced trailers" at the theater are not quite the same, because at least at the theater you will see different trailers for the movies. It's not like you're going to see the same trailers over and over again each time you go and see movies. Also, if trailers at the theater really bother you, you have the option of going into the theater 15 minutes late. With a DVD you buy with the intent to add to your personal collection, you have to deal with those same trailers each and everytime you decide to watch your DVD. That is rather annoying, whether you have to fast forward them or whatever.
Also, whether or not you can get past the trailers, there is still a point to be made that movies have sold, and successfully I will add, for years upon years without the need for forced trailers on DVDs. Millions upon millions of DVDs have come out since 1997, the bulk majority of them without forced trailers, and some how movies and DVDs continue to generate sales and viewers and continue to be successful. Maybe that's because most people are like me and are more apt to check out the trailers in the "bonus" section of a DVD if they want to.
I don't understand the gradual acceptance for this kind of treatment to DVD in consideration of the near Holy War most posters were calling for against Buena Vista for forced trailers on Sixth Sense when that came out. It wasn't acceptable then, it's not acceptable now. Maybe for a rental product only I could see it, a product that would either be sent back to the distributor or simply sold as previously viewed, but for product sold in the stores, I don't think forced trailers are necessary. If they are necessary, then the advertising dollars going into the marketing should allow the studio to knock five bucks off the price for the inconvenience, and even then I am still importing the title or going with out, hoping for a SE later on without the forced trailers.
Also, whether or not you can get past the trailers, there is still a point to be made that movies have sold, and successfully I will add, for years upon years without the need for forced trailers on DVDs. Millions upon millions of DVDs have come out since 1997, the bulk majority of them without forced trailers, and some how movies and DVDs continue to generate sales and viewers and continue to be successful. Maybe that's because most people are like me and are more apt to check out the trailers in the "bonus" section of a DVD if they want to.
I don't understand the gradual acceptance for this kind of treatment to DVD in consideration of the near Holy War most posters were calling for against Buena Vista for forced trailers on Sixth Sense when that came out. It wasn't acceptable then, it's not acceptable now. Maybe for a rental product only I could see it, a product that would either be sent back to the distributor or simply sold as previously viewed, but for product sold in the stores, I don't think forced trailers are necessary. If they are necessary, then the advertising dollars going into the marketing should allow the studio to knock five bucks off the price for the inconvenience, and even then I am still importing the title or going with out, hoping for a SE later on without the forced trailers.
12-16-03, 08:29 PM
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Personally, I like the discs that go straight to the movie without opening to the menu and let me pick the audio track with my audio button, without having to navigate through menus.
12-16-03, 09:27 PM
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You could actually do that if you watch DVDs on a computer (even though watching flicks on a PC sucks) by bookmarking the movie at the menu so it skips the forced trailers/FBI warnings. Would be kinda neat if they could implement this into DVD players.
12-17-03, 07:20 AM
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Originally posted by bunkaroo
Previews at the movies=OK
Commercials at the movies=homicidal killing spree
At least that's how I feel sometimes...
Previews at the movies=OK
Commercials at the movies=homicidal killing spree
At least that's how I feel sometimes...
12-17-03, 07:29 AM
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Sorta on topic, I saw a GO Video DVD player on QVC that they were showing a feature that when turned on would always go straight to the movie, avoiding trailers ad's and even the menu. This was a player designed for kiddies but wonder if this feature has made it to any other players and if it works?
Heres the list of features:
Reclaim your home entertainment system by giving the kids their own with this Go Video GoJr. Kid's DVD Player and Karaoke Machine. This kid-friendly component handles multiple formats so young ones can enjoy watching movies, listening to music and even singing along. Big, colorful, function-specific buttons make it easy for kids to operate. Features: EZ Play function to jump directly to the movie's beginning; big-button remote with carrying handle; 2 karaoke inputs and 2 microphones; top-loading player for DVD, DVD Video, Audio CD, Picture CD, MP3, JPEG on CD-R/W and karaoke CD+G; no-slip rubber feet; parental control; composite and S-Video outputs; 2 mono audio inputs; 1 analog L/R audio output; composite audio/video cable; user's manual; quick start guide; and sample CDG karaoke disc.
Heres the list of features:
Reclaim your home entertainment system by giving the kids their own with this Go Video GoJr. Kid's DVD Player and Karaoke Machine. This kid-friendly component handles multiple formats so young ones can enjoy watching movies, listening to music and even singing along. Big, colorful, function-specific buttons make it easy for kids to operate. Features: EZ Play function to jump directly to the movie's beginning; big-button remote with carrying handle; 2 karaoke inputs and 2 microphones; top-loading player for DVD, DVD Video, Audio CD, Picture CD, MP3, JPEG on CD-R/W and karaoke CD+G; no-slip rubber feet; parental control; composite and S-Video outputs; 2 mono audio inputs; 1 analog L/R audio output; composite audio/video cable; user's manual; quick start guide; and sample CDG karaoke disc.
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12-17-03, 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by fumanstan
I never really cared before, still don't care now. I'll buy the DVD. Annoying? Yes. But that's about it.
I never really cared before, still don't care now. I'll buy the DVD. Annoying? Yes. But that's about it.
Exactly, really hard to push fast forward for a minute to by pass them...
12-17-03, 09:26 AM
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Originally posted by cseyer
Sorta on topic, I saw a GO Video DVD player on QVC that they were showing a feature that when turned on would always go straight to the movie, avoiding trailers ad's and even the menu. This was a player designed for kiddies but wonder if this feature has made it to any other players and if it works?
Heres the list of features:
Reclaim your home entertainment system by giving the kids their own with this Go Video GoJr. Kid's DVD Player and Karaoke Machine. This kid-friendly component handles multiple formats so young ones can enjoy watching movies, listening to music and even singing along. Big, colorful, function-specific buttons make it easy for kids to operate. Features: EZ Play function to jump directly to the movie's beginning; big-button remote with carrying handle; 2 karaoke inputs and 2 microphones; top-loading player for DVD, DVD Video, Audio CD, Picture CD, MP3, JPEG on CD-R/W and karaoke CD+G; no-slip rubber feet; parental control; composite and S-Video outputs; 2 mono audio inputs; 1 analog L/R audio output; composite audio/video cable; user's manual; quick start guide; and sample CDG karaoke disc.
Sorta on topic, I saw a GO Video DVD player on QVC that they were showing a feature that when turned on would always go straight to the movie, avoiding trailers ad's and even the menu. This was a player designed for kiddies but wonder if this feature has made it to any other players and if it works?
Heres the list of features:
Reclaim your home entertainment system by giving the kids their own with this Go Video GoJr. Kid's DVD Player and Karaoke Machine. This kid-friendly component handles multiple formats so young ones can enjoy watching movies, listening to music and even singing along. Big, colorful, function-specific buttons make it easy for kids to operate. Features: EZ Play function to jump directly to the movie's beginning; big-button remote with carrying handle; 2 karaoke inputs and 2 microphones; top-loading player for DVD, DVD Video, Audio CD, Picture CD, MP3, JPEG on CD-R/W and karaoke CD+G; no-slip rubber feet; parental control; composite and S-Video outputs; 2 mono audio inputs; 1 analog L/R audio output; composite audio/video cable; user's manual; quick start guide; and sample CDG karaoke disc.
12-17-03, 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by retihsuhnt
Previews can be the best part of movies, look at Matrix Reloaded for christ sakes. The only redeeming quality of that movie was the previews beforehand.
Previews can be the best part of movies, look at Matrix Reloaded for christ sakes. The only redeeming quality of that movie was the previews beforehand.
Me? I find it offensive when I am shown previews for films I would never want to see. If I am going to be spammed by ads then I don't expect to pay, period. My time should be subsidized by the advertisers at that point. Same thing applies to theaters and DVDs.
12-17-03, 12:05 PM
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Originally posted by steebo777
I believe you can do this with most players. They usually have that type of option in the setup menu.
I believe you can do this with most players. They usually have that type of option in the setup menu.
12-17-03, 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by Mr. Salty
I hate these forced trailers, and I did write to Universal about the problem (snail mail, not e-mail) and I got a response back. They are aware that people are unhappy with this practice, so if it's an issue you feel strongly about, please take a few minutes to write Universal Home Video a letter (the address is on the back of the DVD).
In the meantime, I've posted these instructions before, and they've worked for all the Universal DVDs I've tried:
1) Press Stop during the copyright warning at the beginning of the disc. If you wait until after the copyright warning, you're screwed.
2) Press Menu.
I hate these forced trailers, and I did write to Universal about the problem (snail mail, not e-mail) and I got a response back. They are aware that people are unhappy with this practice, so if it's an issue you feel strongly about, please take a few minutes to write Universal Home Video a letter (the address is on the back of the DVD).
In the meantime, I've posted these instructions before, and they've worked for all the Universal DVDs I've tried:
1) Press Stop during the copyright warning at the beginning of the disc. If you wait until after the copyright warning, you're screwed.
2) Press Menu.
12-17-03, 12:36 PM
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Originally posted by calhoun07
"Forced trailers" at the theater are not quite the same, because at least at the theater you will see different trailers for the movies. It's not like you're going to see the same trailers over and over again each time you go and see movies. Also, if trailers at the theater really bother you, you have the option of going into the theater 15 minutes late. With a DVD you buy with the intent to add to your personal collection, you have to deal with those same trailers each and everytime you decide to watch your DVD. That is rather annoying, whether you have to fast forward them or whatever.
Also, whether or not you can get past the trailers, there is still a point to be made that movies have sold, and successfully I will add, for years upon years without the need for forced trailers on DVDs. Millions upon millions of DVDs have come out since 1997, the bulk majority of them without forced trailers, and some how movies and DVDs continue to generate sales and viewers and continue to be successful. Maybe that's because most people are like me and are more apt to check out the trailers in the "bonus" section of a DVD if they want to.
I don't understand the gradual acceptance for this kind of treatment to DVD in consideration of the near Holy War most posters were calling for against Buena Vista for forced trailers on Sixth Sense when that came out. It wasn't acceptable then, it's not acceptable now. Maybe for a rental product only I could see it, a product that would either be sent back to the distributor or simply sold as previously viewed, but for product sold in the stores, I don't think forced trailers are necessary. If they are necessary, then the advertising dollars going into the marketing should allow the studio to knock five bucks off the price for the inconvenience, and even then I am still importing the title or going with out, hoping for a SE later on without the forced trailers.
"Forced trailers" at the theater are not quite the same, because at least at the theater you will see different trailers for the movies. It's not like you're going to see the same trailers over and over again each time you go and see movies. Also, if trailers at the theater really bother you, you have the option of going into the theater 15 minutes late. With a DVD you buy with the intent to add to your personal collection, you have to deal with those same trailers each and everytime you decide to watch your DVD. That is rather annoying, whether you have to fast forward them or whatever.
Also, whether or not you can get past the trailers, there is still a point to be made that movies have sold, and successfully I will add, for years upon years without the need for forced trailers on DVDs. Millions upon millions of DVDs have come out since 1997, the bulk majority of them without forced trailers, and some how movies and DVDs continue to generate sales and viewers and continue to be successful. Maybe that's because most people are like me and are more apt to check out the trailers in the "bonus" section of a DVD if they want to.
I don't understand the gradual acceptance for this kind of treatment to DVD in consideration of the near Holy War most posters were calling for against Buena Vista for forced trailers on Sixth Sense when that came out. It wasn't acceptable then, it's not acceptable now. Maybe for a rental product only I could see it, a product that would either be sent back to the distributor or simply sold as previously viewed, but for product sold in the stores, I don't think forced trailers are necessary. If they are necessary, then the advertising dollars going into the marketing should allow the studio to knock five bucks off the price for the inconvenience, and even then I am still importing the title or going with out, hoping for a SE later on without the forced trailers.
You Said it man. I 100% agree with everything you said.
12-17-03, 01:20 PM
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I hate 'forced marketing'. I hate 'focus studies'. These people basically lump humans into the 'cows eat grass so they'll eat weeds too' category and then they shove this stuff down your throat.
In the NBA, David Stern is trying to push the WNBA down every fan's throats. If you love the NBA, you'll love the WOMEN's NBA! Umm... no. They don't dunk or even jump for that matter and they have no upper body strength.
In comics: If you liked Spider Man you'll love Spider WOMAN!So here's a bonus story with her, instead of spider man...
In DVD's it's - If you loved Fast and the Furious here's the same movie with motorcycles!
Yeehaw...
Getting tired here.
In the NBA, David Stern is trying to push the WNBA down every fan's throats. If you love the NBA, you'll love the WOMEN's NBA! Umm... no. They don't dunk or even jump for that matter and they have no upper body strength.
In comics: If you liked Spider Man you'll love Spider WOMAN!So here's a bonus story with her, instead of spider man...
In DVD's it's - If you loved Fast and the Furious here's the same movie with motorcycles!
Yeehaw...
Getting tired here.
12-17-03, 03:10 PM
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Should I point out again that we never had this problem when LaserDisc was the preferred medium of videophiles? I don't think that *ANY* LDs were released with trailers at the beginning, much less ones you couldn't skip.
Don't get me wrong, I love my DVD player, but it really burns me to no end that the standards allowed DVD authoring to block out features. Nothing gets me angrier than wanting to switch audio tracks, only to find out I have to go back to the main menu in order to do it. It's about time someone started selling mod chips for DVD players that allow all the buttons on your remote to work, no matter what the DVD says...
-Jason (ducking from the inevitable flames)
Don't get me wrong, I love my DVD player, but it really burns me to no end that the standards allowed DVD authoring to block out features. Nothing gets me angrier than wanting to switch audio tracks, only to find out I have to go back to the main menu in order to do it. It's about time someone started selling mod chips for DVD players that allow all the buttons on your remote to work, no matter what the DVD says...
-Jason (ducking from the inevitable flames)
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12-17-03, 03:28 PM
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So true, it is kinda refreshing to throw an LD in now and see the movie spin right up, menu and ad free. I guess for those prices they better not screw around. Hell we even got them free of Macrovision encoding. I guess laserphiles were above pirating! 
12-17-03, 04:04 PM
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I agree it's a pain in the ass, but on the other hand, I don't get to go to the movies much, so purchasing DVDs is my only option. So NOT buying the DVD to make a point sucks if it's a movie I really want to watch.
12-17-03, 05:55 PM
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You know how you can't fast forward or skip through the FBI warnings? Some day, they'll code previews or advertising like that...you can't fast forward or skip through them.
12-17-03, 07:02 PM
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Oh yeah that is certainly next. Universal is just testing the waters and seeing how people react to having to FF through the ads now. If no one complains...kill the FF button. We like the ads. The other studios will pick up on this and do it as well. Next would be little pop-up ads during the movie and then onto actual non-skippable commercial breaks within the film. Where would it end?
12-17-03, 09:33 PM
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gosh, I just bought three Universal catalog titles (released within the last 6 months) and there were no forced anything on them! After the FBI warning, it went straight to the menu.
well that's the end of my story
well that's the end of my story
12-18-03, 09:31 AM
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I don't have a problem with trailers. I simply copy the dvd, lopping off the trailers, leaving only what I want. THX trailers? I add them in. Dolby Digital Trailers? I add those in. I end up with a Dolby Digital trailer followed by a cool THX trailer, then straight into the movie, no menu.
And that's possible with most movies, with a perfect copy.
Given that next year or sooner we'll have dual layer 9gig+ blank dvd media and burners, I see DVD's going the way of CD's- people with burn their own compilations.
Ah yes, sweet dvd joy.
Did they leave off the "Making Of" from the DVD? Find it, and burn it to the DVD yourself. Did they leave off available Music videos? Find them, and add them to your new improved DVD. I can hardly wait.
And that's possible with most movies, with a perfect copy.
Given that next year or sooner we'll have dual layer 9gig+ blank dvd media and burners, I see DVD's going the way of CD's- people with burn their own compilations.
Ah yes, sweet dvd joy.
Did they leave off the "Making Of" from the DVD? Find it, and burn it to the DVD yourself. Did they leave off available Music videos? Find them, and add them to your new improved DVD. I can hardly wait.
12-18-03, 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by Cogliostro
I don't have a problem with trailers. I simply copy the dvd, lopping off the trailers, leaving only what I want. THX trailers? I add them in. Dolby Digital Trailers? I add those in. I end up with a Dolby Digital trailer followed by a cool THX trailer, then straight into the movie, no menu.
And that's possible with most movies, with a perfect copy.
I don't have a problem with trailers. I simply copy the dvd, lopping off the trailers, leaving only what I want. THX trailers? I add them in. Dolby Digital Trailers? I add those in. I end up with a Dolby Digital trailer followed by a cool THX trailer, then straight into the movie, no menu.
And that's possible with most movies, with a perfect copy.