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Old 10-08-03, 11:51 AM
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I'm scared to order a DVD!

I'm a history/WWII buff. I love reading books and watching movies on the subject. So, I was interested in seeing this DVD (from IMDB).

I'm not a nazi by any stretch of the imagination. I think the actions of the nazis in WWII are atrocious. But I believe this would be interesting to see, if only to know how Hitler came into power. Besides, this is a bit of history that I would like to know more about.

But I'm scared if I order it, I'll end up on some FBI watch list, and that makes me nervous.

Am I just being paranoid? Thoughts?
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Old 10-08-03, 11:58 AM
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You and many DVDtalkers, historians, documentary-philes, and ordinary joes will be on that list. Who cares?
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But I'm scared if I order it, I'll end up on some FBI watch list, and that makes me nervous.
You are kidding, yes?
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Re: I'm scared to order a DVD!

Originally posted by steelcurtain


Am I just being paranoid? Thoughts?
Yes.

Not everyone who has seen (or even liked) Triumph of the Will is a Nazi. It is a great film, despite the subject matter. It should be seen. Personally, I would not buy it, only because I would watch it enough to justify, but everyone should see it at least once. Make sure you go with the Synapse version.

Though, if you are looking for a documentary that will supply history about the party, you will be dissappointed.

A little trivia: Robert A. Harris (of restoration fame) holds the U.S. rights to this film.

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I don't think that there is anything to be afraid of. This is a movie with plenty of historical significance. I highly doubt that there is an FBI list for people who buy a movie like this. There are books and school courses that are about Nazi Germany. It is not illegal to know all that you need to know about Hitler. If you watch the History channel half of the stuff that they show is entitled: "Hitler: Portrait of a Madman", "Hitler and his Luftwaffe", "Hitler's Children", "Hitler's Bathroom of Secrets".

The paranoia has set in... Been living in Utah too long?*

*I lived there for 10 years, I can say things like this.
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Mistafadedglory, since Utah has Orrin Hatch, and he loves the Patriot Act, yeah, it makes me nervous. But I think I'll just go ahead and order it. Guess I was just being paranoid.

Thanks all!
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Watching Triumph of the Will doesn't make you a Nazi. Don't worry about it.
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Old 10-08-03, 12:23 PM
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Dude, it's your consitutional right to buy it, if you so wish. So pick yourself up a copy and sit it on your livingroom mantlepiece, right next to your copy of Mein Kampf.
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The FBI has better things to do than keep track of everyone who buys Triumph of the Will. It's a film of great historical significance that those interested in film and history would purchase. My local public library owns this movie on DVD to rent. I doubt the FBI is keeping track of which public libraries buy it.
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Go ahead and order it. Just be prepared to get your ass kicked at the next Utah meet, nazi scum!!!
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"Mistafadedglory, since Utah has Orrin Hatch, and he loves the Patriot Act, yeah, it makes me nervous. "

Funny, I don't see anything in the Patriot Act that restricts movie watching. Oh, and I don't believe there is anything in there giving the FBI the permission to keep files on what movies people buy. If they do that, it was long before the Patriot Act was put together. I think that Orrin Snatch is a douchebag as much as the next guy (I'm a republican too), but I don't think that the PA is really going to affect you or your freedoms.
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Well, I went ahead and ordered it. And I look forward to Groucho's ass kicking! I could use a good ass-kicking right about now.

Time to go watch Fight Club.
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Originally posted by Mistafadedglory


Funny, I don't see anything in the Patriot Act that restricts movie watching. Oh, and I don't believe there is anything in there giving the FBI the permission to keep files on what movies people buy. If they do that, it was long before the Patriot Act was put together. I think that Orrin Snatch is a douchebag as much as the next guy (I'm a republican too), but I don't think that the PA is really going to affect you or your freedoms.
I think steelcurtain was referring to the notorious, and (Hey John Ashcroft!) totally insane idea widely known as Total Information Awareness. Read more here:
http://www.aclu.org/Privacy/Privacy.cfm?ID=13652&c=130
or for a slightly less partisan source, try here:
http://practice.findlaw.com/archives/cyberlaw_0203.html

And, remember due to the loopholes in privacy law, it was revealed that Clarence Thomas rented Triumph of the Will on an extraordinarily frequent basis - http://www.thestranger.com/2000-02-17/savage.html

So I'd say you should feel free to buy it if you like. It's breathtaking, and profoundly disturbing in its beauty.

Po'uli.

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Originally posted by Mistafadedglory
"Mistafadedglory, since Utah has Orrin Hatch, and he loves the Patriot Act, yeah, it makes me nervous. "

Funny, I don't see anything in the Patriot Act that restricts movie watching. Oh, and I don't believe there is anything in there giving the FBI the permission to keep files on what movies people buy. If they do that, it was long before the Patriot Act was put together.
You must be a politician because you are technically right, there is nothing in the patriot act that "restricts" movie watching. But that isn't what anyone here is worried about. They are worried about the restriction on their right to privacy, which is what the patriot act is ALL about.

What the patriot act does is allow the subpoena of library, bookstore, movie rental, etc, records with a court order from the FISA court which is outside of the normal judicial system and is essentially a rubberstamp (they have never denied a subpoena request, ever). The FISA court itself, although predating the patriot act, is probably unconstitutional as well.

Prior to the patriot act this information was specifically protected as a fallout of the Bork nomination for the supreme court. When his nomination was derailed due in part to the release of his video rental history, congress passed the "Video Privacy Protection Act," which unlike the patriot act really did what its name suggested and severely restricted how a person's movie rental history could be disclosed to anyone - private or public.

For anyone who doesn't know the full impact of the patriot act (and, I am amazed every day at how few people really are aware of how totaltarian and just downright unAmerican the patriot act is) one good place to start is the ALA's page on it:

http://www.ala.org/Content/Navigatio...atriot_Act.htm

The ALA, by the way, is the American Library Association. When you think of intellectual freedom fighters, librarians aren't a group the usually springs to mind. But in fact they are one of the best organized and strongest voices out there for the cause, so much so that I'm sure that if it weren't for their stature as perhaps one of America's core institutions, Hatch and Ashcroft would have already demonized them as terrorist sympathizers.
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ALA

Aren't the ALA the same people that don't have a problem with bums coming into libraries and looking at porn on the computer while your son or daughter is researching a book report at the seat right next to them?

Nice...
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Old 10-08-03, 01:43 PM
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Originally posted by steelcurtain
Well, I went ahead and ordered it. And I look forward to Groucho's ass kicking! I could use a good ass-kicking right about now.

Time to go watch Fight Club.
I wouldn't advertise that if I were you. Fight Club's strong anti-establishment message, coupled with the depiction of numerous terrorist activities culminating in the bombing of major financial organizations and the total destruction of the skyscrapers that house them is probably more likely to trigger any modern watch lists than a moldy old nazi movie. Heck, even Rupert Murdoch, head of FOX which publishes Fight Club has publically said he doesn't like the message the movie contains. Murdoch's probably got every Fight Club DVD rigged with a GPS tracking device to help keep tabs on social malcontents like yourself.

Only kidding. Well, only mostly kidding. Remember the first rule.
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If I thought buying Triumph of Wills would get me on an FBI watchlist, I'd buy it for that reason alone. And then I'd follow it up with the Manchurian Candidate, Cross of Iron, Fight Club, Hero, The Anarchist's Cookbook, the Communist Manifesto, Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations, and Bill O'Reily's new book, just to keep them guessing.

@ the FBI
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A little trivia: Robert A. Harris (of restoration fame) holds the U.S. rights to this film.
He's a Nazi!!! I knew it!

It's real simple, if you're woried about getting on any kind of watch list then buy the DVD at a brick and morter and PAY CASH.
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I don't think you need to worry about getting put on a list. There is a 4 part TV drama series describing Hitlers rise to Power from childhood. It is called Hitler : Rise of Evil, and gives a very good insight into the historical background and the psyche. It spans the years 1899 - 1934 and ends as he assumes full power of Germany. Robert Carlisle gives a stunning performance.

If they show stuff like that on TV they would have to lock up everyone that watches it.
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I think I might be on a list. you see...I love seeing dumb blondes in nightgowns run through the woods at 3 am for no real reason...and then get mauled and raped by a killer. am I afraid?

does this make me a perverted madman? no...I like the tension involved within the film and love murder mysteries involving not so bright people.

if it makes you that nervous...maybe you are hiding something else in your closet of doom. just convince yourself you are writing a paper for school and thats why you need the dvd. or you could just be honest and keep telling yourself what you already did....and order the damn thing.

you are paranoid. take 2 pale-ales and a blunt and call me in the morning. oops...theres another list I'm on.

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Old 10-08-03, 03:31 PM
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Pants, I would buy it at a B&M, but nobody locally has it in stock, and none will order it. That's Utah for ya...

gutwrencher, I like your idea of the two pale-ales and a blunt. Too bad I'm at work, but that might be a good idea for when I sit down and watch Fight Club tonight! And no, I'm not "hiding anything in my closet." I do buy into conspiracy theories though. At least you gave me a good laugh about the dumb blondes!
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Just remember, no matter how paranoid you are you are not paranoid enough!
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Watching Triumph of the Will does not, nor will it ever, make you a Nazi. It's a film of extraordinary historical and cinematic significance, making the film a must-see for all those interested in film history, World War II, or the development of state-sponsored propaganda.

Making Triumph of the Will, however, is another story. Rot in hell, honey.
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G. Gordon Liddy once wrote that when he was working for the committee to re-elect President Nixon, he was disappointed by a rally for Nixon that the staff had organized. So, he gathered them together and had them all watch Triumph of the Will, and then exhorted, "*THAT'S* how you put on a rally!"
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I've watched Triumph of the Will. Yep, me and Arnold Schwarzenegger in our nazi uniforms having a good time
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