http://www.trektoday.com/news/060803_04.shtml

To sum it up:
-Voyager R2 has been confirmed for next year
-TOS R2 box sets as early as September 04

I'll be real curious to see how sales of these stack up to previous Trek sets.

Me too. I imagine it'll be similar to the TV ratings... that is, Voyager's sales will be about 25% of TNG's.

Frankly, Paramount can ignore Voyager and Enterprise as far as I'm concerned. My ST DVD collection ends with DS9. (Although I'd welcome updated sets of the original series... and I'd upgrade my laserdisc set of the animated show if the price was right.)

Seasons 4-7, when Seven came on the show it became really good. "The Year of Hell", "Equinox", "Unimatrix" are just some of the best episodes. They were less focused on getting home, which made it pretty good.

Huh.

Amazing how two people can have a completely opposite opinion on the same events/episodes. Seven was the start of the decline for me.

"Year"--reset button episode. Other than "Yesterday's Enterprise", I haven't liked many.

"Unimatrix"--just further de-Borgifying of the once-mighty, once-fearsome Borg.

I barely even remember "Equinox".

But, to each his own.

If they took out all of the episodes that took place on the holodeck, they could probably fit what's left into one season.

My wallet is going to love 2004 without all those box sets to buy!

well, i think that the sales will be just about the same. i didn't buy tng or ds9 because i didn't like them that much. voyager was okay, but that is what really got me into liking the st universe. i didn't even watch the 2nd episode of enterprise, i hated that, so i think they should skip a box set for it...it got horrible ratings. but voyager is the only st series i'm going to buy, but thats just my opinion.

I do not think I would buy the sets, but I did like the show. The 1st few season were ok, after season 2 the show started to pick up steam. I am glad they did get home and were not left out in space/limbo.

It was entertaining, I did not try to compare it to anything, I just enjoyed the show.

IMO, the Voyager sets should do a lot better than DS9 sets. My friends and I were laughing at the DS9 sets when they came out. Like who's gonna buy a series where they try to explore space from a station? Come on. Aliens would have to come to you. Doesn't seem real as opposed to exploring the galaxy with a Starship and finding aliens that way.

Most of the cast in the DS9 was really stupid. A Bajoran, Nerys, showing her aggressiveness and hatred was poorly executed. I couldn't stand her. A stupid doctor Bashir didn't reflect the true nature of what a doctor should be in a ST series. Bring back McCoy or Voyager's doctor.. they were perfect. Captain Sisko pronounced too many of his words as if he lost his breath all the time.

DS9 was too much like a bad Babylon 5 series it was all too boring and laughable.

Regurgitator, I couldn't disagree with you more. I was not a big fan of DS9 when it aired, but have to grown to appreciate it on DVD.

I am another who will stop collecting Trek after I finish DS9. Voyager and Enterprise have flaws inherent in their premise which will never get me to enjoy them as much as the other Trek series.

Voyager: Entire mission to get home. Much like "the Fugitive", Iknew they would never accomplish their mission until the series ended. Therefore, I had no reason to watch because everything in between was meaningless and uneventful. There are only so many " Oh we have a way to get home...no wait that won't work" episodes, I can stomach. The only show to sucessfully pull off this concept was "Starblazers" and that is because they got home and then changed the mission halfway through the series.

Enterprise: Simply put, I don't care about prequels. I know most of the backstory from the other Trek episodes. The only thing Enterprise does sucessfully is destroy the continuity of the Trek universe established in the other series.

Personally, I hope Enterprise goes down in flames, so they can rest the franchise for a couple years and come up with something new.

Voyager would have been interesting if we had actually seen the crew change and adapt to the fact that they were 70 years from home. It's really the "voyage" that could have made it interesting, and not so much the goal of reaching the Alpha Quadrant. But they didn't do anything with that, thus so much of the series was indeed made up of meaningless Alien of the Week episodes that weren't even interesting on their own merits. I never really felt like they were on the other side of the galaxy. Everyone acted like they were on a weekend jaunt away from Earth--the ship was spotless after every episode, everyone followed regular ship protocol, Janeway was always blathering on & on about Starfleet regulations, etc. At the end of the final episode, nearly all of the characters were exactly the same as they were at the end of "Caretaker".

Voyager could've been the most adventurous of all the Treks. Instead, DS9 got that honor and Voy ended up being a watered-down TNG.

But I will say that season 4 had some pretty good episodes, mainly due to Seven. If I were to buy only one of the Voyager sets, season 4 would be it. A lot of fans bash her & Braga for turning Voyager into the Seven of Nine Show, but I really liked her character and story arc that year.

I agree... Voyager had so much potential that completely went to waste. I guess it was easy to see what direction they were heading in though. I mean by the 2nd eps all the Marquis were in starfleet uniforms I don't recally making it much past the 1st season before giving up on it. Most of the otherwise die hard ST fans I konw felt the same way. I can't imagine these sets will generate much interest, esp at the prices they were selling the others at.

Am I really the only person here who liked all three 24th Century shows?

As I've written, I consider DS9 and TNG about equal. I liked Voyager, just not as much. It was more inconsistent and it definitely was a mistake to paint them into a corner with an overriding, one-track quest to get home. A long deep space exploration with little contact w/ Starfleet would've probably been a better idea, in hindsight.

Having said that, I really liked the crew and I loved the idea of a more mobile, leaner ship. And organization like Starfleet would, of necessity, have a full range of ship sizes and tasks. I like the way that the Intrepid-class reflected that.

Speaking of small ships...anyone who still maintains that DS9 was hidebound obviously missed the last 5 seasons of it, and can't really comment upon it in an informed way.

I know das loathes the finale, and that is squarely in the corner of Braga and Berman, lazily trying to replay the script of First Contact without the crucial input of Ron Moore. I've never held that show (which I actually haven't seen, just read a long synopsis of) against the characters, Janeway especially. You can only do what they write for you. They should take the heat.

Yes!

No. While I liked Voyager less than TNG & DS9, it was, for the most part, still enjoyable.

Agreed

I'd like to buy some of the ST season sets, but I'm not willing to pay the BLOATED prices for them. I was comparing just Tuesday at Wal-Mart: Angel, Season 2, $45. X-Files, season (whichever it was) $109. Around the same number of episodes, around the same length per episode, more than double the price. The ST sets are priced around the X-Files price. I don't care WHAT series it is, I'm not paying $100 a season. So if some shows can be priced at under $50 a season, why not ST? They would sell many more copies.

Darren,

This has been discussed at length in other threads, but the short answer to your question, is that with X-Files and ST, more of the cast members get a cut of the profits which means higher prices to the consumer so Paramount can still make money.

Personally, I don't have a problem spending the money on shows that I want. If I think a price is too high, I can choose not to pay it.

Yeah, I actually haven't bought any of the TNG/DS9 sets yet. They aren't sets that I absolutely have to own right now, or even in the near future, so I'm willing to wait (several months, a year, whatever) and pick them up on eBay for less. I'm definitely not paying retail for them.

Yeah, and that's just what I've done-- not paid it. If the price drops to around $50 or I find a used copy for around $50, I'd buy season sets, but that's just about the upper limit that I'm willing to pay for a season set of ANY show.

What I like about DS9 is that the people who bash it, but have never seen it before save maybe an early season, are so easy to spot out!

As for Voyager, I wont be buying it. I thought it was a Trek they tried to make mainstream, and please as many people as possible with. I actually like large parts of the first three seasons (when they actually stayed true to the show's start) but I don't think I like them enough to shell out money for.

I will get DS9 when the price drops, or I have a lot more money. TNG I will probably get when the price drops or I can find them used and cheap...

For Voyager, I think I would actually go against my long held belief that tv shows should be in season sets, and have Voyager just released in best of sets or single episode discs (maybe street for $5 a piece, I'd pick and choose for that), because when Voyager was good, it was damn good (Scorpion, Year of Hell-reset button aside, Living Witness, many others) but when it was bad, hoo boy.

If they sell the season sets cheap enough I might pick them up, but I'm not particularly excited about it.

I won't be picking up the Voyager sets without a series price drop. I didn't hate Voyager as much as other people but I was really disappointed. When the show started DS9 was starting to kick major a$$ and I was so psyched about a new show. Voyager was just a serious letdown. Maybe after more time has passed I can speak better of the show but at the moment it just pales in comparison to DS9 and TNG.

BizRodian... FYI, I've seen the entire DS9 series about 3 times over and I can say for sure I can't stand watching it anymore. It's doesn't seem to capture my interest as much as Voyager which I've seen more than 5 times over and still continuing. IMO, the comedy and the family and caring structure of the show is an important part of a ST crew. DS9 didn't show much of this.. everyone was like on their own but they had to work together not very solid compared to Voyager or TNG.