Why is Spartacus Criterion so expensive?
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Why is Spartacus Criterion so expensive?
I can understand the pricing point of other Criterions but why is Spartacus singled out as the most expensive 2-disc set?
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Originally posted by k_lodge
Was lucky enought to get it through Overstock.com last year for $9.99 during one of their sales.
Was lucky enought to get it through Overstock.com last year for $9.99 during one of their sales.
Damn you! I knew someone would bring this up!
I thought i was buying a little too much last year and decided at the last minute not to buy it.If there is one thing I have learned from all of these deals is never listen to your Signifcant Other when it comes down to crunch time!
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From the Criterion website:
It's more expensive because Criterion spent the time and money to do it right (compare Columbia Tristar's 2-disc version of David Lean's Lawrence of Arabia. Fans who bought this for $39.95 will now have to double-dip & buy the upcoming Superbit at $26.95 to get the improved transfer of the color-corrected print--supervised by the same Robert Harris who consulted on this Criterion project-- they should have received from the beginning). It's more expensive because it's loaded with extras (as befits a Kubrick epic). BTW, the online price is around $35 at DDD and DVD Planet.
If the extras and the picture quality don't matter to you, the inferior Universal version can be had for under 15 bucks.
Although the rule is not always true, in this case, you get what you pay for.
About the Transfer:
There have been five versions of Spartacus: The original 202-minute version that was shown to preview audiences in July 1960; the pre-censorship general release in July at 189 minutes; the 182-minute censored version released in November; the 1967 version that was drastically cut to 161 minutes; and this 196-minute, fully reconstructed and restored version (which includes the overture, intermission and entr’acte) created in 1991. This version of Spartacus is presented in its original theatrical Super Technirama aspect ratio of 2.2:1. In consultation with restoration expert Robert A. Harris, this new 16x9-enhanced digital transfer was created from a 65mm intermediate positive. The sound was mastered from a six-track discreet wide-proscenium recording that both preserves and reconstructs the original audio version, which has never been heard before.
There have been five versions of Spartacus: The original 202-minute version that was shown to preview audiences in July 1960; the pre-censorship general release in July at 189 minutes; the 182-minute censored version released in November; the 1967 version that was drastically cut to 161 minutes; and this 196-minute, fully reconstructed and restored version (which includes the overture, intermission and entr’acte) created in 1991. This version of Spartacus is presented in its original theatrical Super Technirama aspect ratio of 2.2:1. In consultation with restoration expert Robert A. Harris, this new 16x9-enhanced digital transfer was created from a 65mm intermediate positive. The sound was mastered from a six-track discreet wide-proscenium recording that both preserves and reconstructs the original audio version, which has never been heard before.
Special Features:
Disc One
Stunning new 16x9 transfer of the 1991 fully restored Super Technirama version
Dolby Digital 5.1 surround soundtrack
Audio commentary by producer-actor Kirk Douglas, actor Peter Ustinov, novelist Howard Fast, producer Edward Lewis, restoration expert Robert A. Harris, and designer Saul Bass
Screenwriter Dalton Trumbo’s scene-by-scene analysis
Additional Alex North score compositions
English subtitles for the deaf and hearing impaired
Restoration demonstration
Disc Two
Rare deleted scenes
Vintage newsreel footage
1960 promotional interviews with Jean Simmons and Peter Ustinov
1992 video interview with Peter Ustinov
Behind-the-scenes “gladiatorial school” footage
The 1960 documentary The Hollywood Ten, plus archival documents about the blacklist
Original storyboards by Saul Bass
Hundreds of production stills, lobby cards, posters, print ads, and a comic book
Sketches by director Stanley Kubrick
Original theatrical trailer
Disc One
Stunning new 16x9 transfer of the 1991 fully restored Super Technirama version
Dolby Digital 5.1 surround soundtrack
Audio commentary by producer-actor Kirk Douglas, actor Peter Ustinov, novelist Howard Fast, producer Edward Lewis, restoration expert Robert A. Harris, and designer Saul Bass
Screenwriter Dalton Trumbo’s scene-by-scene analysis
Additional Alex North score compositions
English subtitles for the deaf and hearing impaired
Restoration demonstration
Disc Two
Rare deleted scenes
Vintage newsreel footage
1960 promotional interviews with Jean Simmons and Peter Ustinov
1992 video interview with Peter Ustinov
Behind-the-scenes “gladiatorial school” footage
The 1960 documentary The Hollywood Ten, plus archival documents about the blacklist
Original storyboards by Saul Bass
Hundreds of production stills, lobby cards, posters, print ads, and a comic book
Sketches by director Stanley Kubrick
Original theatrical trailer
If the extras and the picture quality don't matter to you, the inferior Universal version can be had for under 15 bucks.
Although the rule is not always true, in this case, you get what you pay for.
Last edited by FilmFanSea; 07-17-03 at 01:54 PM.
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The commentary track - with Kirk Douglas (obviously post-stroke but still sounding kick-ass good) as well as Howard Fast and the conditions he wrote the novel in (imprisoned for not naming names to HUAC) and what he thought of the film (he panned it - but you gotta give Criterion credit for having the guts to let him speak) is worth the extra lucre.
This is really one of the forgotten epics of Hollywood, overshadowed by its big brother Ben-Hur (amusing story from Kirk Douglas about that, as well), and while Kubrick didn't consider it one of his "real" films, since he was hired after the original director walked/was fired, there are still enough Kubrick touches that make it one of his best.
See if your local library has a copy to rent (if they've got DVD), and be prepared to pay a late fee going through all the extras. Bum one from a friend, call around to video rental stores that aren't Blockbuster or Hollywood. Try a university library (whether or not you're a college student) and see if they will let you watch it there or at home - some universities do have rentals for non-students, but sometimes they ask for a hefty fee or deposit.
In short: This. Disc. Is. Worth. It.
This is really one of the forgotten epics of Hollywood, overshadowed by its big brother Ben-Hur (amusing story from Kirk Douglas about that, as well), and while Kubrick didn't consider it one of his "real" films, since he was hired after the original director walked/was fired, there are still enough Kubrick touches that make it one of his best.
See if your local library has a copy to rent (if they've got DVD), and be prepared to pay a late fee going through all the extras. Bum one from a friend, call around to video rental stores that aren't Blockbuster or Hollywood. Try a university library (whether or not you're a college student) and see if they will let you watch it there or at home - some universities do have rentals for non-students, but sometimes they ask for a hefty fee or deposit.
In short: This. Disc. Is. Worth. It.
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Originally posted by slop101
You can get it for $25 at dvdplanet.
I don't think that's expensive at all for what you get.
You can get it for $25 at dvdplanet.
I don't think that's expensive at all for what you get.
Still a bargain, I would argue.
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Speaking of that "improved" transfer of the color corrected print on the upcoming Superbit of Lawrence of Arabia, I was wondering, is the single disc version an "improved" transfer over the original 2-disc set? If not, then I guess I'll be getting the Superbit to get the best picture. However, it would be nice to get the single disc version because the 200 minute+ film is on 1 disc.
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Originally posted by Mr. Cinema
Speaking of that "improved" transfer of the color corrected print on the upcoming Superbit of Lawrence of Arabia, I was wondering, is the single disc version an "improved" transfer over the original 2-disc set?
Speaking of that "improved" transfer of the color corrected print on the upcoming Superbit of Lawrence of Arabia, I was wondering, is the single disc version an "improved" transfer over the original 2-disc set?
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Originally posted by k_lodge
Was lucky enought to get it through Overstock.com last year for $9.99 during one of their sales.
Was lucky enought to get it through Overstock.com last year for $9.99 during one of their sales.
Same here, and mine is still sealed, haven't found time to really watch it





