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Old 07-03-03 | 09:26 PM
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Star Trek V SE?

Does anyone have any details on Star Trek V: The Final Frontier - Special Collector's Edition DVD? Is this a director's cut?
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Old 07-03-03 | 09:36 PM
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No, Paramount wouldn't let Schatner have the funds for a director's cut. It will be released as the current version on the market, in a two disc set with features similar to the previous Star Trek special edition movies.

It is suppost to come out later this year or early next year, because Undiscovered Country is due out early or the middle of 2004.
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Old 07-04-03 | 02:01 AM
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Ok, I'll admit that it's the weakest of the Trek movies (Next Generation not withstanding), and I've only got the smallest of desire to see it . . . however, I really want to see the behind the scenes stuff - find out exactly how far the rug got pulled out from under bill. Hopefuly Paramount will let him talk about it on the commentary.
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Old 07-04-03 | 03:04 AM
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Definitely the worst ST movie, but I'll end up getting it. ST5 was filmed around my hometown (the desert city on Nimbus III and Shaka-Ri), and I know several people that were extras for the movie.

I really wish Paramount had given the money to do a Director's Cut. Christ, they did a Director's Cut of ST 3, and it sucked just as much as 5.

But I'm really waiting for ST 6, the only ST movie that even approaches ST 2's coolness.
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Old 07-04-03 | 08:03 AM
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Khan and Undiscovered Country are by far the best.
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Old 07-04-03 | 08:58 AM
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Christ, they did a Director's Cut of ST 3, and it sucked just as much as 5.
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Old 07-04-03 | 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by darkflounder
ST5 was filmed around my hometown (the desert city on Nimbus III
Wow! You live on Nimbus III?
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Old 07-04-03 | 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by darkflounder

I really wish Paramount had given the money to do a Director's Cut. Christ, they did a Director's Cut of ST 3, and it sucked just as much as 5.
3 is labeled as "Special Collectors Edition"
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Old 07-07-03 | 10:11 AM
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>>Khan and Undiscovered Country are by far the best.
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Old 07-07-03 | 02:14 PM
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3 is labeled as "Special Collectors Edition"
So is V.
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Old 07-07-03 | 03:24 PM
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I concur! IV is fun, though, and III is unfairly maligned.
When I picked up III, I hadnt seen it for years - like 2 decades since it was in the theater. I'd always assumed that it sucked from all the bad word of mouth I'd heard over the years. Much to my surprise, it wasnt all that bad. No Wrath of Khan to be sure, but it was much much better than the other odd numbered films of the series.
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Old 07-07-03 | 03:54 PM
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So has this dvd been officially announced ? I mean it's been ages since the SE of IV was released. It's almost like they are so indecisive about V, they are going to hold up the rest of the releases unecessarily.
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Christ, they did a Director's Cut of ST 3, and it sucked just as much as 5.
No they didn't.

And no it doesn't.

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We have the cover art for V here.
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Old 07-07-03 | 05:06 PM
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How wierd... I just did a search on this very subject a week ago because I figured it was due.

I'll end up buying it as well... Just because I'm a big Star Trek fan and I'm also anal (gotta have all the special editions...)

As far as the comment on ST 3 being as bad as ST 5... I must strongly disagree. I thought ST 3 was a good solid film and a good follow up to ST 2. In my mind there is simply no comparison between the two... ST 3 is far superior.
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Old 07-07-03 | 05:34 PM
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Never really cared for Undiscovered Country. I thought it had a promising start but degenerated into a routine non-mystery with a scene chewing performance by Plummer. I didnt get the sense of comradery that I felt with the previous films.

Search For Spock however is among my favorites. Christopher Lloyd was an awesome villain and I think it has Shatner's best work as Kirk. He seemed very comfortable unlike his performances from 5 onwards where he seemed more manic than usual. I also think he did a great job with the heavier dramatic scenes.

I hope we get some real insight into what happened on ST:5. I don't think any kind of director's cut could improve the film all that much and I prefer to see it as it was originally shown. The movie has problems but it does have its bright spots. I admit I find it more entertaining than the most recent Trek outings.
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Old 07-18-03 | 04:35 AM
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Not sure if anyone has posted this link yet. But here's some info on Star Trek V SE.

Star Trek V SE
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Old 07-18-03 | 08:05 AM
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Originally posted by philo
The movie has problems but it does have its bright spots.
Yeah the brightest spot was when they turned the theater lights on at the end of the movie.


My favorite quotes in the ST IV commentary was when Shatner pitched STV SE by saying "and get ready for ST V the Final Frontier with my commentary". Nemoy responded "And what a masterpiece that was"
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Old 07-18-03 | 08:32 AM
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I thought Star Trek III was the worst of the original trek films (though I thought it was still decent), while V was one of the best.

It will be nice to have all the SE's sitting on my shelf together.
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Old 07-18-03 | 08:42 AM
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Originally posted by DavidH
I thought Star Trek III was the worst of the original trek films (though I thought it was still decent), while V was one of the best.

It will be nice to have all the SE's sitting on my shelf together.
David, I'm curious about why you liked V the best? Though flawed in many ways, I also don't feel it was a bad film. It has some really nice moments, but does play like it had been hacked to death in the editors room, which is why I was hoping for a nice director's cut. I think Paramount is being very silly on this one.

I can't understand why you thin III is the worst though, I just don't see it. I think its got some of the best dialog, and the best character development of the entire series. And its the last time we see the Enterprise as part of the crew. I remember in one of the commentaries, It hink its was for the Motion Picture, where I finally heard someone say that the ship played as a character in ST. This is what I miss about TNG. You never felt a oneness with the ship.

Anyway, my order for the films is almost the release order.

ST Motion pic, Kahn, Search for spock, in that order. Then I guess ST 4 but I feel it hasn't really held up over the years, though , its always an enjoyable film. Then i'm tossed between ST5 and ST6 both of which I felt were hacked to death by editors. Call it a tie.
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I love the press release over on Star Trek.com:

"Star Trek V: The Final Frontier," originally released in 1989, was directed by William Shatner and is the penultimate film to feature the entire original cast.
You know, I'll have to admit that I didnt know what penultimate meant. I knew it was a big word probably meaning biggest or best or something like that - which is what Paramount was hoping. Use a 5 dollar word and everything wrong with the movie will be forgotten.

Heh.

(according to Dictionary.com it means "Next to last")

Ah - gotta love Studio spin.




Although it may not be the most popular Star Trek film, "The Final Frontier" is an engaging, and oftentimes humorous movie that features some nice interaction between the originals.
Oh, I dont know - how about LEAST popular film, aside from the dreadful Next Generation films - which really dont count because the franchise was just about dead at that point.

If there is a problem with the film, it has to do with budget restrictions encountered during production; the movie never got made to fit Shatner's original vision for the film. Certain special effects were deemed too costly and what resulted wasn't quite up to par.
The effects, the script, the acting, the story, the catering - just about everything that could go wrong did. Special Effects has NOTHING to do with this train wreck of a film.

Ah - gotta love studio spin.
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Old 07-18-03 | 10:18 AM
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I love the press release over on Star Trek.com:

You know, I'll have to admit that I didnt know what penultimate meant. I knew it was a big word probably meaning biggest or best or something like that - which is what Paramount was hoping. Use a 5 dollar word and everything wrong with the movie will be forgotten.

Heh.

(according to Dictionary.com it means "Next to last")

Ah - gotta love Studio spin.

It's studio spin because they assume the audience is educated enough to know what a word means? (BTW, I did know what it meant)

I believe those other two quotes are truthful, as well. I agree with them, and I know many others do too.
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The movie plays out like it was a crappy movie. It had nothing to do with editing or the fact that Shatner wanted Rock People at the end of the movie.

Its got no story. Let's see, this half-crazed guy who really isn't that bad of a guy manages to HIJACK a Starship...hmm OK. So the crew just kinda goes along for a ride for awhile, finds a crappy rock planet where God/Satan or just a plain old alien may be hiding out and then engage in a brief battle with it. Movie over.

No villian, no tension. Just a leisurely ride to some crappy rock planet.
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They should have met God at the end , may have made the movie better.
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Old 07-18-03 | 11:56 AM
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The movie plays out like it was a crappy movie. It had nothing to do with editing or the fact that Shatner wanted Rock People at the end of the movie.
Agreed.

One of my biggest complaints is how Kirk, Spock, and (questionably) McCoy are strong enough to resist Sybok’s “power” to “ease their pain,” yet the rest of the entire crew happily accommodate him.

Of course, I’m also annoyed at how they show the Enterprise-A to have eighty-some-odd decks; in ascending order nonetheless! Not to mention Spock using his rocket boots to hover sideways while holding Kirk by the leg!? OR, how they take a leisurely cruise to the center of the galaxy in presumably a matter of a few hours, when even at maximum warp it would take years!
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