Go Back  DVD Talk Forum > Archives > Archives > DVD Talk Archive
Reload this Page >

Apocalypse Now Redux Question

Community
Search

Apocalypse Now Redux Question

 
Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 06-05-03, 06:57 PM
  #1  
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 86
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Apocalypse Now Redux Question

I purchased Apocalypse Now Redux awhile back, blind buy. After watching it, I thought it was a bit too long, and with 42 minutes added to this version of the film, I'm guessing that the original cut is leaner and more powerful.

Now I know that T2 has a easter egg where you can watch the original theatrical version by pressing right five times. Is there a similar deal with the Apocalypse Now DVD? Thanks in advance.
SteveyP93 is offline  
Old 06-05-03, 07:50 PM
  #2  
DVD Talk Special Edition
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Split time between DC and NYC
Posts: 1,188
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
No, I am pretty sure you can't do this with Apocolypse now. I remember hearing something about how Redux was more changes than just that additional footage, that Lucas recut many of the scenes slightly.
ryuryu2949 is offline  
Old 06-05-03, 08:01 PM
  #3  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Join Date: May 2000
Posts: 16,666
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Yeah, in Redux, Lucas makes Willard shoot first.
LBPound is offline  
Old 06-05-03, 08:20 PM
  #4  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
Ginwen's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Kent, WA
Posts: 7,387
Received 21 Likes on 17 Posts
Originally posted by ryuryu2949
that Lucas recut many of the scenes slightly.
That must have really pissed Francis Ford Coppola off!
Ginwen is offline  
Old 06-05-03, 08:43 PM
  #5  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Mt. Olympus
Posts: 11,818
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally posted by Ginwen
That must have really pissed Francis Ford Coppola off!


I purchased Redux without ever having seen Apocalypse Now as well. Geez, the movie just dragged on. I have doubts that I will ever watch it again.

I think buying the original version would have been better...but I consider Redux to be a "Director's Cut" of sorts and I usually opt to go for Director's Cuts because I like to see the movie how the director intended it to be seen.

immortal_zeus is offline  
Old 06-05-03, 09:39 PM
  #6  
DVD Talk Godfather
 
DVD Polizei's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 54,512
Received 289 Likes on 214 Posts
I actually like the added scenes with the French. It gave some history and understanding.

"humghah wubba hummah fuffah wuffah...."

Oh, Brando said he liked the scenes too.
DVD Polizei is offline  
Old 06-05-03, 10:25 PM
  #7  
DVD Talk Gold Edition
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 2,463
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Some of the same scenes were different between the original and redux - different framings, etc. So, you could never have the original by just removing added scenes.
DavidH is offline  
Old 06-05-03, 10:39 PM
  #8  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Josh Z's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Boston
Posts: 11,763
Received 257 Likes on 181 Posts
The Redux DVD does not contain the original theatrical version. That version of the movie is still in print on a separate DVD. Paramount wants you to buy both.
Josh Z is offline  
Old 06-05-03, 10:46 PM
  #9  
Cool New Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 45
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Redux is definitely worth seeing but the original is the best film of the bunch.

Wasn't George Lucas originally going to direct the movie? Think of how much different it would've been.
MattSVT is offline  
Old 06-05-03, 11:29 PM
  #10  
DVD Talk Hero - 2023 TOTY Award Winner
 
jfoobar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Posts: 46,592
Received 2,174 Likes on 1,223 Posts
Originally posted by MattSVT
Wasn't George Lucas originally going to direct the movie? Think of how much different it would've been.
Well, I have heard rumors that the "Boss Nass" character from TPM was actually based on Brando.
jfoobar is offline  
Old 06-06-03, 12:23 AM
  #11  
DVD Talk Special Edition
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Split time between DC and NYC
Posts: 1,188
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally posted by ryuryu2949
Lucas recut many of the scenes slightly.
I swear I didn't mean to write that, but what a hilarious Freudian slip... obviously Coppola directed the movie (although it could possibly be argued that it was Lucas' tinkering with the Star Wars franchise [with the theatrical SE's in the mid-late 90s] that paved the way for Coppola to put out Redux. Sort of like a Jedi Mind Trick Lucas played on Coppola.
ryuryu2949 is offline  
Old 06-06-03, 12:29 AM
  #12  
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Unique New York
Posts: 4,340
Received 13 Likes on 12 Posts
Lucas blamed for Coppola's Redux

ryuryu2949,

I don't think Lucas was the first Director to re-visit his work on such a grand scale.
JoeyOhhhh is offline  
Old 06-06-03, 01:26 AM
  #13  
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: on a river in a kayak..where else?
Posts: 4,949
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally posted by DVD Polizei
I actually like the added scenes with the French. It gave some history and understanding.
same here. actually....I prefer the Redux. I love long, drawn out films that include added scenes. no problem at all!! I have both so a choice is there.
gutwrencher is offline  
Old 06-06-03, 02:28 AM
  #14  
DVD Talk Platinum Edition
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Astoria, NY, USA
Posts: 3,333
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally posted by ryuryu2949
I swear I didn't mean to write that, but what a hilarious Freudian slip... obviously Coppola directed the movie (although it could possibly be argued that it was Lucas' tinkering with the Star Wars franchise [with the theatrical SE's in the mid-late 90s] that paved the way for Coppola to put out Redux. Sort of like a Jedi Mind Trick Lucas played on Coppola.
FWIW, Lucas actually did some preproduction for Apocalypse Now (location scouting, etc.) with the intent of directing it himself. When that didn't work out, he eventually moved on to Star Wars.

DJ

Last edited by djtoell; 06-06-03 at 02:35 AM.
djtoell is offline  
Old 06-06-03, 10:39 AM
  #15  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Josh Z's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Boston
Posts: 11,763
Received 257 Likes on 181 Posts
Originally posted by gutwrencher
same here. actually....I prefer the Redux. I love long, drawn out films that include added scenes. no problem at all!! I have both so a choice is there.
I prefer the theatrical cut, but I think both are excellent in their own ways (though I could live without the plantation scene). They are different films. The new scenes make Redux into a new movie with a different tone and focus than the theatrical cut, but that doesn't mean it is a bad movie. It's just not the same movie.
Josh Z is offline  
Old 06-06-03, 11:18 AM
  #16  
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Canada
Posts: 71
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
It seems to me that only Artisan has provided a great branching feature like this - giving you excellent value for your money IMO. Of course, I know I'm probably wrong - but this was a Paramount release - and most of their special editions belong in the Special Olympics.

Why hasn't this one had a SE boxed set? We may never know
chrismcg is offline  
Old 06-06-03, 09:00 PM
  #17  
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 193
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
"Apocalypse Now Redux" isn't just the theatrical cut with new footage inserted, it's a version of the film re-edited from scratch. Not only are some of the scenes in totally different spots compared to the theatrical version (like the Mr. Clean waterskiing scene) but Coppola is rumored to have used different takes in certain scenes (although if it's true, the takes are so similar to the originals that they haven't been detected).
GuruAskew is offline  
Old 06-07-03, 12:52 AM
  #18  
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
 
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 4,688
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Well i've only seen the 'original' version once on video(in widescreen though!) a few years ago. Then saw Redux in theaters(which was amazing!) & now the dvd of that version(since the original version was still to high priced).

So i've seen Redux more than the shorter version.

I think it's a great movie & love just about all of the added scenes. Sure the films extremely long. Yet you can watch it in portions you know! Since it is a long drawn out draining experiance..that it may be tough finding time for 3+ hours to watch one film.

Now the one sequence i did have a problem with was the 'plantation sequence'. Now it's a great scene..but that dinner sequence which goes on for 10 minutes or more could have been helpled with some trimming!

Mostly the acting is not that great in the scene & it just stauls. Yet had they cut around the more rambling lines..& just kept in the more important ones(which are spread out equally durring the begining middle & ending of the scene). It would have flowed much better.

Yet other than that..i find it a great movie & a nice version of it.

Now my only qualm is with the aspect ratio! I really wish the DP was not so insecure about home video letterboxing,that they released the film in it's full 2:35 aspect ratio. So i'm glad i did not miss this in theaters. Some of the cropping in some sequences were to distracting. Such as durring the 'bunnies' sequence. At the very end you could in theaters,see Laurence Fishburn leaning from outside on the window still..then the 'bunny' asks "who are you?"..& he says "I'm next mam!". Very funny moment in a dark way..but it's ruined somewhat by Laurence being completely cropped out on the dvd!


In fact if you handed me over the rights to the film for a limited time at least. I would make sure to release both versions of the film in it's full 2:35 OAR(screw the DP!). All the deleted workprint footage..& the Hearts of Darkness documentary..& show Paramount how a dvd should be done!
Julie Walker is offline  
Old 06-07-03, 01:35 PM
  #19  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Josh Z's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Boston
Posts: 11,763
Received 257 Likes on 181 Posts
Originally posted by Julie Walker
Now my only qualm is with the aspect ratio! I really wish the DP was not so insecure about home video letterboxing,that they released the film in it's full 2:35 aspect ratio.
FYI, the cropping has nothing to do with the amount of letterboxing. In recent years, Vittorio Storaro has developed a kooky theory he calls "Univisium" that claims 2.0:1 is the ideal aspect ratio for which all movies should be composed. He feels so strongly about it that he is imposing this new ratio onto all of his old movies, even those that were not composed with Univisium in mind, no matter how bad they look with their sides cropped.

He's gone quite senile, you see.
Josh Z is offline  
Old 06-07-03, 02:24 PM
  #20  
DVD Talk Special Edition
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Corvallis, Oregon, USA
Posts: 1,938
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally posted by djtoell
FWIW, Lucas actually did some preproduction for Apocalypse Now (location scouting, etc.) with the intent of directing it himself. When that didn't work out, he eventually moved on to Star Wars.

DJ
I heard this as well. There is a small homage to Lucas near the beginning of the film. Look closely at Harrison Ford's uniform and you will see that the name patch reads 'Lucas'
ratguy is offline  
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.