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Calistoga 05-22-03 07:26 PM


Originally posted by djtoell
I'll take even an average DVD transfer over an above-average LD transfer any day.

DJ

Well put....I will second that notion.

littlefuzzy 05-22-03 09:35 PM

With the first Lone Wolf and Cub disc coming out, I am going to have to dust off my LW&C Laserdiscs, as well as The Razor (the company that released the LDs can't get the rights for DVD...)

milo bloom 05-22-03 11:22 PM

I didn't get into LD till after I got into DVD, but I think I might pick up a certain title here and there as a collector's item. Can you imagine a massive set of the Lord of the Rings Extended Editions in uncompressed PCM sound?

I'll be keeping mine for the original Star Wars versions of course.

BigT 05-23-03 08:05 AM

I have been collecting LD's since 1983. I still buy (and sell) on Ebay, and, occasionally, on the Home Theater Forum. My collection is somewhere in the 600-800 range (I lost exact count long ago, but it's still very large). I prefer LD to DVD because of its linear access to supplements (dvd menus were not a step forward for me) and the frame-by-frame access of CAV discs, where each frame is truly equivalent to a frame of film.

That said, I likely would not invest in newly produced titles unless they offered something not available on dvd. A box set of the Lord of the Rings, for instance, might include some highly desireable non-disc supplements that might make it worth a purchase. Even so, I'd still only watch the film on dvd (unless the LD was a different, better cut).

LD is dead as a new format. LP's is still around because the equipment to master and manufacture them still exists and available to those who wish to produce specialty runs of discs. Not so LD. So don't expect LD to come to life, even briefly, ever.

Class316 05-23-03 09:17 AM


Originally posted by BigT
I have been collecting LD's since 1983. I still buy (and sell) on Ebay, and, occasionally, on the Home Theater Forum. My collection is somewhere in the 600-800 range (I lost exact count long ago, but it's still very large). I prefer LD to DVD because of its linear access to supplements (dvd menus were not a step forward for me) and the frame-by-frame access of CAV discs, where each frame is truly equivalent to a frame of film.

That said, I likely would not invest in newly produced titles unless they offered something not available on dvd. A box set of the Lord of the Rings, for instance, might include some highly desireable non-disc supplements that might make it worth a purchase. Even so, I'd still only watch the film on dvd (unless the LD was a different, better cut).

I don’t get it. You say “I prefer LD over DVD” but “you’d watch the DVD over the LD”

Skywa|ker 05-23-03 09:58 AM

Ummm.... I haven't stopped yet... <grin> Still have my player and about 50 movies. Mainly because of Star Wars, and the Indiana Jones movies...

Drexl 05-23-03 02:38 PM


Originally posted by milo bloom
Can you imagine a massive set of the Lord of the Rings Extended Editions in uncompressed PCM sound?
No, I don't think I could imagine that being 2-channel Dolby Surround, but I could imagine a full-bitrate DTS track for such a set. Even then, they could do it with DVD if the film spanned three discs, or just two if they ditched the DD 5.1 and commentaries. :cool:

eXcentris 05-23-03 02:51 PM

"More room for cover art" is a plus? Sure, let's come up with discs that are 3 feet in diameter so we can fit the original poster on the case. :)

Aphex Twin 05-23-03 02:53 PM


Originally posted by Nuff
I realize this is a somewhat hotly debated subject but its physically impossible to distinguish between cd's and good lp's. CD's replicate sound to a quality beyond what human ears can hear. I've seen a few studies proving it as well as just the theoretical proofs.
This is clearly a miseducated and misinformed opinion and we would appreciate it if you did not perpetuate your ignorance of vinyl vs. cd sound. The answer lies in the difference between analog and digital recordings. A vinyl record is an analog recording, and CDs are digital recordings. Original sound is analog by definition. A digital recording takes snapshots of the analog signal at a certain rate (for CDs it is 44,100 times per second) and measures each snapshot with a certain accuracy (for CDs it is 16-bit, which means the value must be one of 65,536 possible values). This means that, by definition, a digital recording is not capturing the complete sound wave. It is approximating it with a series of steps. Some sounds that have very quick transitions, such as a drum beat or a trumpet's tone, will be distorted because they change too quickly for the sample rate. In your home stereo the CD or DVD player takes this digital recording and converts it to an analog signal, which is fed to your amplifier. The amplifier then raises the voltage of the signal to a level powerful enough to drive your speaker. A vinyl record has a groove carved into it that mirrors the original sound's waveform. This means that no information is lost. The output of a record player is analog. It can be fed directly to your amplifier with no conversion. This means that the waveforms from a vinyl recording can be much more accurate, and that can be heard in the richness of the sound. With all else being equal, a vinyl record will sound better than a CD any day.

MJKTool 05-23-03 03:07 PM

No chance in hell. Getting up every 30 to 45 minutes to flip a disk would drive me nuts. Also, while were talking about cover art as a plus for LD's, dont you need a magnifying glass to be able to read the spines on LD's?

Aphex Twin 05-23-03 03:14 PM


Originally posted by MJKTool
I have a big crush on Kevin Garnett
The band Tool Is Very Overrated
Their Songs Suck Too
I never really liked the Lakers
Pan and Scan DVDs rule!!!!

Hey man...not to be a punctuation and grammer narc or anything...but you shouldn't capitalize the words "Is Very Overrated", "Songs Suck Too" and "Scan". Just a suggestion :)

MJKTool 05-23-03 03:18 PM


Originally posted by Aphex Twin
Hey man...not to be a punctuation and grammer narc or anything...but you shouldn't capitalize the words "Is Very Overrated", "Songs Suck Too" and "Scan". Just a suggestion :)
Tell this to our moderator Gallant Pig! He's the genius that came up with this sig, not me! :D

F For Fake 05-23-03 03:18 PM

I will hold onto my LD player for as long as I can, and still have most of my LD's. There are some titles like Star Wars OT that I'm sure I'll always need. But I don't think I'd buy new laser titles if the same film was available on DVD with the same features, likely at a much smaller price.

borisdisco 05-23-03 03:32 PM


Originally posted by Aphex Twin
This is clearly a miseducated and misinformed opinion and we would appreciate it if you did not perpetuate your ignorance of vinyl vs. cd sound.

Original sound is analog by definition.

A vinyl record has a groove carved into it that mirrors the original sound's waveform. This means that no information is lost. The output of a record player is analog. It can be fed directly to your amplifier with no conversion. This means that the waveforms from a vinyl recording can be much more accurate, and that can be heard in the richness of the sound. With all else being equal, a vinyl record will sound better than a CD any day.

How can you say that it will sound better? You state "that no information is lost," which is true, but you fail to mention that information is added, such as pops and hiss. Every vinyl LP is susceptible to deterioration of sound quality. I remember pulling records out of the sleeve and hearing faults in the pressing on the first play. Therefore everything else being equal I disagree. A CD is a far superior medium for music. I certainly prefer CDs to vinyl in the car.:p

mikewendt 05-23-03 05:54 PM

I'd love to, there's a ton of greats out there. I just couldn't afford to. I have to much invested in DVD to start over.

shill66 05-23-03 06:16 PM


Originally posted by MJKTool
No chance in hell. Getting up every 30 to 45 minutes to flip a disk would drive me nuts.
I've never had to flip a laserdisc over. Neither has anyone else who has a player that plays both sides.

BigT 05-23-03 08:08 PM


I don’t get it. You say “I prefer LD over DVD” but “you’d watch the DVD over the LD”
Perhaps I should have added "in these areas" (which I thought was implied).

KC-Chris 05-23-03 08:12 PM

NO
 
NO

SergeantPinback 05-24-03 06:14 AM


Originally posted by Aphex Twin
This is clearly a miseducated and misinformed opinion and we would appreciate it if you did not perpetuate your ignorance of vinyl vs. cd sound. The answer lies in the difference between analog and digital recordings. A vinyl record is an analog recording, and CDs are digital recordings. Original sound is analog by definition. A digital recording takes snapshots of the analog signal at a certain rate (for CDs it is 44,100 times per second) and measures each snapshot with a certain accuracy (for CDs it is 16-bit, which means the value must be one of 65,536 possible values). This means that, by definition, a digital recording is not capturing the complete sound wave. It is approximating it with a series of steps. Some sounds that have very quick transitions, such as a drum beat or a trumpet's tone, will be distorted because they change too quickly for the sample rate. In your home stereo the CD or DVD player takes this digital recording and converts it to an analog signal, which is fed to your amplifier. The amplifier then raises the voltage of the signal to a level powerful enough to drive your speaker. A vinyl record has a groove carved into it that mirrors the original sound's waveform. This means that no information is lost. The output of a record player is analog. It can be fed directly to your amplifier with no conversion. This means that the waveforms from a vinyl recording can be much more accurate, and that can be heard in the richness of the sound. With all else being equal, a vinyl record will sound better than a CD any day.
Whew.... Thank you, Mr. Science...... -rolleyes-

SergeantPinback 05-24-03 06:17 AM


Originally posted by borisdisco
How can you say that it will sound better? You state "that no information is lost," which is true, but you fail to mention that information is added, such as pops and hiss. Every vinyl LP is susceptible to deterioration of sound quality. I remember pulling records out of the sleeve and hearing faults in the pressing on the first play. Therefore everything else being equal I disagree. A CD is a far superior medium for music. I certainly prefer CDs to vinyl in the car.:p
Yes, exactly. Just as with tape (VHS, BETA, audio, etc) every time you play it you partially destroy it....

Digital RULES! :hump:

whomod 05-25-03 06:04 AM


Originally posted by SergeantPinback
Whew.... Thank you, Mr. Science...... -rolleyes-
rotfl rotfl

DVD_O_Rama 05-25-03 10:28 AM


Originally posted by SergeantPinback
Whew.... Thank you, Mr. Science...... -rolleyes-
Whew...Thank you, Mr. I have no intelligent comment to add on a subject I can't grasp, so I'll just roll my eyes in confused disgust....:D

Lighten up, Francis ;)

joliom 05-25-03 10:51 AM

I'll support the horse and buggy if it makes a comeback...and outdoor plumbing...and the geocentric theory of the universe...and walking on all fours...

Josh Z 05-25-03 01:08 PM


Originally posted by MJKTool
No chance in hell. Getting up every 30 to 45 minutes to flip a disk would drive me nuts.
Many laserdisc players had the ability to automatically change sides.

Joseph B 05-25-03 02:26 PM


If prices were cheaper than before I would support LD again, but only if they introduced new hardware for it.
This is my problem with the format.

Every time I complain about the lack of the Original Star Wars Trilogy on DVD (I'm talking about legal versions, here) I'm told to simply purchase the LD's and stop whining. My problem is, I can't just waltz down to my local Best Buy and purchase a LD player! And I refuse to try to scrounge for a used piece of equipment that nobody in my area of the world knows how to repair.

If Best Buy, or even Radio Shack, would sell and maintain LD players, I would have no problem purchasing a player and then acquiring the legal Star Wars LDs. But they don't. Since, according to Mr. Lucas, we're still over three years away from seeing any kind of iteration of the original Star Wars movies on DVD (and, again according to him, we'll *never* see the "original" original Star Wars movies on DVD), then I think somebody is missing out on a potential market here!!


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