Bad news about a possible Office Space SE
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Bad news about a possible Office Space SE
FYI - This was stated in the recent issue (5/23 - "The Top 50 Cult Movies") of Entertainment Weekly on p. 42:
"Fox is now anxious to release a special edition DVD with extras like the original 'Milton' shorts [featured on Saturday Night Live], but [Mike] Judge says the studio wants to stiff him on the deal, so he won't sign off. Rather tactfully, all a studio spokesperson will say is that 'discussions are ongoing.'"
"Fox is now anxious to release a special edition DVD with extras like the original 'Milton' shorts [featured on Saturday Night Live], but [Mike] Judge says the studio wants to stiff him on the deal, so he won't sign off. Rather tactfully, all a studio spokesperson will say is that 'discussions are ongoing.'"
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I can't help but feel he is being a little greedy about this. I mean, is Mike Judge really that hard up for money? He must have received some money from Time Life for the Beavis and Butthead sets and King of the Hill is even doing well (Season 1 out in June), so why does he need this money so badly? I think he is trying to get more out of Fox than he deserves. I mean, with Office Space he is lucky to get anything they give him. Although he can argue that there is cult appeal, the movie did horribly at the box office.
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Originally posted by Brain Stew
I can't help but feel he is being a little greedy about this. I mean, is Mike Judge really that hard up for money? He must have received some money from Time Life for the Beavis and Butthead sets and King of the Hill is even doing well (Season 1 out in June), so why does he need this money so badly? I think he is trying to get more out of Fox than he deserves. I mean, with Office Space he is lucky to get anything they give him. Although he can argue that there is cult appeal, the movie did horribly at the box office.
I can't help but feel he is being a little greedy about this. I mean, is Mike Judge really that hard up for money? He must have received some money from Time Life for the Beavis and Butthead sets and King of the Hill is even doing well (Season 1 out in June), so why does he need this money so badly? I think he is trying to get more out of Fox than he deserves. I mean, with Office Space he is lucky to get anything they give him. Although he can argue that there is cult appeal, the movie did horribly at the box office.
The Milton shorts were shown on Liquid television (MTV), were they also shown on SNL? I don't remember them being on there personally.
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Having read the article, it sound like Fox is trying to screw him. They want a sequel, the SE, but treated him like $hit when they originally made/released the film so....He's holding out. I don't blame him.
I bought the barebones and would gladly upgrade. I have watched it at least 20 times.
I bought the barebones and would gladly upgrade. I have watched it at least 20 times.
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Originally posted by Brain Stew
I can't help but feel he is being a little greedy about this. I mean, is Mike Judge really that hard up for money?
I can't help but feel he is being a little greedy about this. I mean, is Mike Judge really that hard up for money?
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Originally posted by Brain Stew
I can't help but feel he is being a little greedy about this. I mean, is Mike Judge really that hard up for money?
I can't help but feel he is being a little greedy about this. I mean, is Mike Judge really that hard up for money?
Please read the entire EW article before further pursuing this line of commentary on Mike Judge.
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Originally posted by fnordboy
The Milton shorts were shown on Liquid television (MTV), were they also shown on SNL? I don't remember them being on there personally.
The Milton shorts were shown on Liquid television (MTV), were they also shown on SNL? I don't remember them being on there personally.
From the EW article:
"Judge never really wanted to make the movie, based on his animated Saturday Night Live shorts about an oily automaton named Milton and his suspender-slick boss, but his producers at Twentieth Century Fox talked him into it."
Found this little tidbit on the 'net:
"Office Space started as an animated short featuring Milton Waddams as the main character. The short was later picked up by Saturday Night Live for a short period of time and listed as 'Milton' when shown during the Saturday night variety show."
Geez, I don't remember this at all. Where the hell was I? Anyway, if anyone has screen caps from these shorts can you please post them - maybe it will help me refresh my memory?
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I remember seeing them on there, seems like they were on during the Chris Elliot/Jeneanne Garaffalo years. I don't remember ever seeing them on Liquid Television.
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While this could delay things a bit, hopefully it'll get done soon enough. These things usually have a way of getting worked out to each party's "mutual satisfaction." While I'd like an SE, in the meantime I'm OK with the copy I've got.
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My point is that although Judge has some leverage on this SE there is not a lot of wiggle room. He may feel like since they can't make the SE without him, they will give in. I personally don't think he has the upper hand in this battle. Sure he has a point to a certain to a degree, but what this comes down to is dollars and cents. Judge could try justifying his payment by citing a hypothetical sales number based on the (rather large) cult following. To the suits at 20th Fox though, these hypothetical sales could not be enough for them to justify paying him a lot. 20th Fox may only be considering the poor money during theatrical run. It all depends on how nice/understanding the management is.
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Where are you seeing it for $9? Cheapest I've seen it is $15.
Where are you seeing it for $9? Cheapest I've seen it is $15.
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Originally posted by Brain Stew
Judge could try justifying his payment by citing a hypothetical sales number based on the (rather large) cult following. To the suits at 20th Fox though, these hypothetical sales could not be enough for them to justify paying him a lot.
Judge could try justifying his payment by citing a hypothetical sales number based on the (rather large) cult following. To the suits at 20th Fox though, these hypothetical sales could not be enough for them to justify paying him a lot.
The real issue was not about Judge not getting paid a lot, but not really getting paid anything at all, as has happened to him in the past.
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How anyone could take Fox's side in this is beyond me.
Hollywood is about power not money. Now, that power is usually measured in money, but it all has to do with the power to get the next project rolling and to maintain control over the last project you made.
The creator and director of the film, Mike Judge, is just an employee. The day he turned in his cut negative and collected his paycheck Office Space became a FOX movie. They control where it plays, how it's sold, and what the DVD is going to be like. Now contrary to how FOX would like the world to work, fans and potential buyers don't see it as a FOX film but rather as a Mike Judge film. The special edition we all want won't happen unless the director is involved (face it, we don't want a commentary from the head of Fox films or Rupert Murdoch). By giving Judge the oportunity to participate in the DVD, Fox will be giving the director another chance to exercise authorial control. They don't like that becase as a studio they like to see the film as belonging to them. They hate to admit they need the director at all. They'll have to play ball with Judge to get a SE made, so they may pass on a special edition all together in order to avoid having to admit that the participation of the director is essential.
Judge has every right to be mad at Fox. Fox dropped the ball on Office Space. They all could have made a fortune if they'd marketed the film properly. It took two years for this film to find its audience. Slowly, grudgingly, the fans finnally found it. It shouldn't be that hard for a film that's that good, but thank God it happened.
Hollywood is about power not money. Now, that power is usually measured in money, but it all has to do with the power to get the next project rolling and to maintain control over the last project you made.
The creator and director of the film, Mike Judge, is just an employee. The day he turned in his cut negative and collected his paycheck Office Space became a FOX movie. They control where it plays, how it's sold, and what the DVD is going to be like. Now contrary to how FOX would like the world to work, fans and potential buyers don't see it as a FOX film but rather as a Mike Judge film. The special edition we all want won't happen unless the director is involved (face it, we don't want a commentary from the head of Fox films or Rupert Murdoch). By giving Judge the oportunity to participate in the DVD, Fox will be giving the director another chance to exercise authorial control. They don't like that becase as a studio they like to see the film as belonging to them. They hate to admit they need the director at all. They'll have to play ball with Judge to get a SE made, so they may pass on a special edition all together in order to avoid having to admit that the participation of the director is essential.
Judge has every right to be mad at Fox. Fox dropped the ball on Office Space. They all could have made a fortune if they'd marketed the film properly. It took two years for this film to find its audience. Slowly, grudgingly, the fans finnally found it. It shouldn't be that hard for a film that's that good, but thank God it happened.
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I think a Beavis & Butt-head Do America SE would be cool too. For those of you waiting out for a SE of Office Space, just get the regular one now if you know you'll watch it many times. I must have viewed mine about 50 times. It's a great movie that deserves a SE that Judge can deliver. If yous till wanna wait for a SE, check it out on Comedy Central. O yea, and the "Milton" SNL shorts were on sometime through 1993-1996, the years with Farley, Sandler, Myers and so on... They are also on Comedy Central repeatedly, so you could still catch them. The cartoon isnt as funny as the film, but it's nice to know where the movie came from.
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Originally posted by Pants
Fox dropped the ball on Office Space. They all could have made a fortune if they'd marketed the film properly. It took two years for this film to find its audience. Slowly, grudgingly, the fans finnally found it. It shouldn't be that hard for a film that's that good, but thank God it happened.
Fox dropped the ball on Office Space. They all could have made a fortune if they'd marketed the film properly. It took two years for this film to find its audience. Slowly, grudgingly, the fans finnally found it. It shouldn't be that hard for a film that's that good, but thank God it happened.
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Originally posted by Brain Stew
I can't help but feel he is being a little greedy about this. I mean, is Mike Judge really that hard up for money? He must have received some money from Time Life for the Beavis and Butthead sets and King of the Hill is even doing well (Season 1 out in June), so why does he need this money so badly? I think he is trying to get more out of Fox than he deserves. I mean, with Office Space he is lucky to get anything they give him. Although he can argue that there is cult appeal, the movie did horribly at the box office.
I can't help but feel he is being a little greedy about this. I mean, is Mike Judge really that hard up for money? He must have received some money from Time Life for the Beavis and Butthead sets and King of the Hill is even doing well (Season 1 out in June), so why does he need this money so badly? I think he is trying to get more out of Fox than he deserves. I mean, with Office Space he is lucky to get anything they give him. Although he can argue that there is cult appeal, the movie did horribly at the box office.
Your comment about him being lucky to get anything out of Office Space is just plain dumb. This obviously isn't some sad movie that no one remembers that will NEVER be requested as a SE by anyone. It's a cult favorite that probably millions of people (OK maybe thousands) want to see in SE form. So Judge must have done something right. He can't just ARGUE about cult apeal, EW did a freaking 3 page story on it, while the other 50 films on its list recieved a few paragraphs a piece.
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I remember seeing them on there, seems like they were on during the Chris Elliot/Jeneanne Garaffalo years. I don't remember ever seeing them on Liquid Television.
I remember seeing them on there, seems like they were on during the Chris Elliot/Jeneanne Garaffalo years. I don't remember ever seeing them on Liquid Television.
I remember seeing one or two. I think there were only a few shorts. Maybe 6? I remember one with the stapler though.
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I pass on the current one everytime I go into the store. Even at $9. I guess if I want an SE I will have to wait.
I pass on the current one everytime I go into the store. Even at $9. I guess if I want an SE I will have to wait.
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For anyone else waiting, I'll tell you this. The movie is not anamorphic, but I use the expand setting on my WS Mitsubishi and it looks great. So you have the movie, in 5.1 DDS and the trailer. For $9.00, it's more than worth it. (It costs $7.00 minimum just to go to the theater and see one movie...)
Yeah... So you should just go ahead and get it and laugh, m'kay.....