Interesting, it also lists it as 2:35 to 1
I will check around also to see if there are some out there that are! If it really is, you have quite the valuable peice there!!

Lower left corner says 16:9.

It's not 2.35:1, that's a misprint. It looks like it's 1.85:1.

Electric dreams is probably held up due to music rights. I believe that was the similiar problem with last american virgin.

The whole full screen thing is something I cannot still understand.
It could be several reasons.
I'm betting it has to do with the cost of a proper widescreen transfer in relation to how well they think the film will do for them.

I can almost understand a film like "hot dog summer" being released full screen for that reason, but there are plenty of films in their catalog that shouldn't be treated this way.

At least mgm is releasing some good stuff, enough for me not to write them off as a jerry lewis in a belgium chocolate factory falling over a milk crate.

to people who prefer fullscreen. you fu**in it up for the rest of us

Yes, but it was framed for 1.85:1. Either that, or the director thought those boom mics and hanging wires in the open matte version added something to the film. :/

-- Jough

Um, no.

A sucking chest wound is not better than no wound at all.

A hot poker in one's eye is not better than no hot poker at all.

A Pan and Scan release is NOT better than no DVD at all - if something hasn't been released yet they still have a chance to make it right - after they've spent money sending the new crap discs to stores it'll cost too much to make new discs.

They'll only get the message if we DO NOT BUY THEIR CRAP RELEASES.

-- Jough

I rarely throw in my two cents in threads like this, but here it goes. If MGM releases a movie like Breakin' in fullscreen, I agree the reason is that it would cost more to remaster the movie in widescreen then they project making from sales of the DVD. If you people don't buy the movie because it is in fullscreen, that could either send the message that people won't buy it until it is in OAR and maybe anamorphic, or it could send the message that they were right, there really isn't much interest or much of a market for that particular title. I would guess the message they would get would be the latter. That is just my opinion, and if the only option I have to own a DVD of a film I love is open matte or pan and scan, then I would buy the DVD. I don't love fullscreen and I do feel very strongly about movies being released in their OAR, but that is not going to stop me from enjoying a film on DVD, if I have no other choice. When a movie that I think is not going to be re-released is released in fullscreen only, I do not put it on the top of my wishlist. It is a "I'll buy it whenever the price is right" type thing. Sorry just wanted to throw in my opinion on this since I always read threads like this, but rarely reply.

I can see NOT liking a film that was in WS to watch on DVD but to out-of-hand refuse to watch any FS releases od DVD's is nuts! You will miss out on some nice DVD's like the X-Files, Twin Peaks etc... that were made and released in 4x3 format! I own a 58" WS HDTV and have NO PROBLEMS what-so-ever watching a FS DVD as long as it was intended to be that way.

very well said and totally agree.

"I hate to tell you guys this but a majority of mainstream customers (the average Joe)) rather full screen over widescreen."

You Sir are DEAD WRONG! Look at any sales week with both the full screen version and the widescreen version(or should I say correct aspect ratio) on sale for the SAME price and you will notice one thing. The OAR version ALWAYS outsells the Pan and Scan version just about everytime if not everytime(95% of the time for sure). There you have it.

Regards

Can you tell me where you are getting you info from?

The MAJOR (Wal-Marts, etc.) are stocking more copies of
the Full Screen versions of movies over widescreen.
That in itself should tell you something

As a matter of fact many customers return DVD movies because they assume they are defective due to the black bar at the top and bottom of screen (LOL!).

Please also note the same people who were happy with their Full Screen VHS tapes are the same ones who now want to buy their Full Screen DVD movies. We are talking about a lot of people here!

Until everyone owns a widescreen TV you will ALWAYS have people who rather watch Full Screen movies.

Personally my wife and kids don't like widescreen and I'm sure there many thousands like them who own DVD players. I tried to explain the benefits but they would rather have the whole screen filled in with the movie.

You've got to realize we've all been raised as children to watch programming on a TV in the full screen version. I don't recall ever watching Sesame Street or Mr. Roger's Neighborhood" in widescreen on my 19" TV. I know none of you did either. So now you expect the same children to all of the sudden embrace widescreen movies on the very same 19" TV.
It's not going to make them happy. These are the same kids who grow up and become DVD buying adults.

I hope you guys can see my point.

"I can see NOT liking a film that was in WS to watch on DVD but to out-of-hand refuse to watch any FS releases od DVD's is nuts! You will miss out on some nice DVD's like the X-Files, Twin Peaks etc... that were made and released in 4x3 format! I own a 58" WS HDTV and have NO PROBLEMS what-so-ever watching a FS DVD as long as it was intended to be that way."

I think the point here is getting missed by a few gentlemen. The point is we DO NOT, WILL NOT be coerced, baited, fooled into buying something that is not O.A.R.(Original Aspect Ratio). If you like fullscreen then that is your perogative. But you send the companies(MGM) mixed messages which is unfortunate. That being "Yea I like this move. And yea I like a cut up version of a film so send me whatever pieces you can put together and if it looks somewhat intelligable I'll watch it." (A little sarcasm there)

The X-files OAR for the first X seasons was full screen. That was not changed until their later seasons. All season sets have been released in their O.A.R.

But wait...their are people(I won't say who) that are just as bad if not worse than J6P. They want the pictue to fit the entire screen and don't want those DARN BLACK BARS!! But these individuals have widescreen TV's. So they partake in the J6P mentality of filling the whole screen regardless of the OAR of the picture. This has been most noted with the Buffy Season 4 Box set that was released in the UK as 16X9 and will be released in the US as 4X3, which is the OAR as intended by the creator.

Hope that makes sense.

"Source please?
Can you tell me where you are getting you info from?"

Every week the newspaper has a listing of DVD sales from the previous week. And every week I look. And every week the widescreen title is almost ALWAYS listed higher on the list. I believe the one time the full screen was listed higher was on a release whose market was teenagers. Not to say that teenagers are not smart but I do not believe they are as educated in home theater as much as adults are.

"The MAJOR (Wal-Marts, etc.) are stocking more copies of
the Full Screen versions of movies over widescreen.
That in itself should tell you something"

That's because they pander to the mentality of the J6P crowd. Not a valid argument.

The MAJORS are stocking and SELLING more Full Screen versions of movies.

As the once VHS consumers purchase their first DVD player the demand WILL unfortunately increase for Full Screen versions of movies.

hurricane --

Look at any web site that shows DVD sales and when identical films are released in two versions -- P&S and widescreen -- the widescreen nearly always outsells the other version.

I'm not denying that there is (some) demand out there for altered, 1.33:1 DVDs... but the fact that your local Wal-Mart seems to stock a lot of fullscreen is mostly due to customer and retailer ignorance, not sales figures.

If you feel this isn't true, I'd appreciate a source from you that shows that fullscreen is selling better.



EDIT: And, just to weigh in on the "wrong aspect ratio is better than no movie at all" argument... My position is that I'd rather not have the movie at all.

If MGM is putting out Remo Williams using an old transfer, incorrect aspect ratio, and no extras... why would I bother buying this? I might as well stick with a VHS tape.

The point of DVD (to me) is not to have all of my favorite films on a shiny disc, regardless of how they look. It's to have films in the highest possible quality presentation. I don't care if they're only charging $15... a quickie bare-bones film in the wrong aspect ratio doesn't do it for me. That's just a glorified VHS tape that I don't have to rewind. I'm not buying.

"The MAJORS are stocking and SELLING more Full Screen versions of movies. "

That flys in the face of fact. But I guess if I could see your source.

"As the once VHS consumers purchase their first DVD player the demand WILL unfortunately increase for Full Screen versions of movies."

PURE speculation. Not based on fact. Oh....I'm working on your source since you obvioulsy do not believe me.

Sales stats for this week:

http://www.videobusiness.com/topDVDSellers.asp

Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (about as popular a title as you can imagine):

Widescreen is #2
Fullscreen is #8

Last week (and the week before):

Widescreen is #1
Fullscreen is #4


The widescreen is selling better.

Let's put this to rest now. The bottom line is I'm happy that MGM is willing to put my favorite B movies on DVD for an inexpensive price ($14.95 retail). Oh yeah it would be great if they were released in widescreen with tons of extras. But that is NOT always going to be the case.

I really don't care how many widescreen vs. full screen version of a movies a studio sells. I was just trying make you guys see the demand for Full Screen versions of movies IS and ALWAYS will be there. Do I think the demand will increase for Full Screen? Yes I do. Will the studios listen and release more Full Screen versions over widescreen? Who knows and I really don't care.


Anyway, as long as I have the opportunity to own them on DVD I'm happy. If you guys don't want to buy them because they are only in the Full Screen version then that's fine.

Hurricane,

The Widescreen transfer for Remo Williams ALREADY EXISTS and is being shown in HD WS on some cable outlets. The transfer looks great.

They already have a high-def master of this title, so why they wouldn't downconvert the HD to DVD is beyond me.

It has NOTHING to do with paying for a new transfer.

Releasing these titles in FS was a *marketing* decision.

Did they think the FS version would sell better than a 16:9 widescreen version? Evidently.

Let's prove them wrong.

-- Jough

So you like the grey bars on the sides, or do you like the stretched out picture?

I saw this movie WS on HD HBO last weekend, it was a perfect transfer in WS,

I choose to spend my money on that release, until then, as far as I am concerned, Remo Williams is NOT available on dvd.

Some valid points, however, the movie needs a digital remaster to be put on dvd anyway, if not it looks terrible (such as Buena Vista's first releases, where they used the old LD print)

Put both versions on the disc, no problems, no upset people, just a lot of free space in the discussion board.

The X-Files and Twin Peaks I am talking about are the TV series which were shot and broadcast in 4x3. The few 4x3 DVD's I have (that were theatrically done in WS) that are Full frame I zoom in to fill the screen so all I am missing is the extra info on the top & bottom that was never meant to be sen in the first place.

You are comparing TV to Theater.

Zoom = distorted picture, and missing info.

I will still take the anamorphic Ws option where possible.

"The X-Files and Twin Peaks I am talking about are the TV series which were shot and broadcast in 4x3. The few 4x3 DVD's I have (that were theatrically done in WS) that are Full frame I zoom in to fill the screen so all I am missing is the extra info on the top & bottom that was never meant to be sen in the first place."

WOA!!! I think you need a review of Correct Aspect Ratio. The first few seasons of the X-Files(exact # I don't recall) were directed, arranged, etc, etc, etc for 4X3 NOT 16X9. So by zooming you are effectively showing the picture in a way that was never intended and therefore MISSING part of the picture. This of course is exactly like taking a 16X9 picture on a 4X3 TV and zooming it. You are cutting off the sides and showing the picture in a way that was never intended.

In regards to MGM deliberately hacking the picture and releasing a MARRED picture I say one thing.......MGM CAN SHOVE IT UP THEIR A$$!!!!!!!! I'll stick with my VHS tape of Hot Dog. Until they learn to cater to the people that have driven the DVD market or you could say MADE the DVD market, mainly the HT enthusiasts, I will continue to say NO to Non OAR Titles the same way I would to Censored music. It is essentially the same argument.

To those that like the hacked version...to each his own. But remeber one thing...............you vote with you wallets and your vote lies with the Pan & Scan group the second you lay you money down.

I think you guys are taking this WAY TOO personal.

MGM has made a business decision to release some of their low budget movies in the only the Full Screen version. IF you don't like it then don't buy the DVD. But believe me, the DVD will still sell a coupon hundred thousand copies if not more without your purchase. I'm NOT that obsessed with seeing movies in the widescreen format. We didn't have this problem 20 years ago and did just fine in life so don't stress out about it now.