I like this reply, I really do, I am not being sarcastic in any way. I am not sure I believe the arguement however, I cannot believe that releasing T2 yet again is going to allow Artisan to release another title they will not make as much on, but I am open to more information on this thought.

For the "best possible looking" DVD people out there, how do you explain the dropped DTS track on the title?

Rocky,

I did not say you cannot express your opinion. I get a kick out of people who always say this when someone disagrees with them. Expressing your opinion has nothing to do with it, so let's get into this "I have my free speech, blah, blah, blah!!!!" I just think DVD buyers like to bitch too much about minor things - many of us have become spoiled rotten. We get outstanding 5.1 DD tracks and people complain it's not DTS. We get 6 hours of good extras instead of 8 and peoplem complain. Again, go ahead and complain. I don't care. But, complaining about such things in such a context is, indeed, known as bitching.

I have a 61" display that is ISF'd and the Terminator 2 release is only average. Every other "top" movie blockbuster release I have is MUCH better. If you think the current release is "good," then wait until you see the new transfer - you'll think it's amazing I'm sure.

Chanster, I don't think the DTS track is anything special and the DD will suffice and give more bits to the video. Many actually preferred the DD on the UE anyway. I do wonder if they are going to give a different audio track, however. But, I have no beef with the current DD track at all. It's just the video that is my problem.

David

Again, again you refer to others opinions as bitching, and others opinions as blah, blah, blah.

Did you ever think maybe the studios read these posts, and maybe they listen to what the consumers want?

Also, how can you refer to a transfer as amazing, that you have not seen?

If you want to disagree, fine, but have respect for others opinions.

Rocky,

What is your problem with MY opinion that others are bitching? You seem to have a problem with ME voicing my opinion...but anyone else can voice anything; seems hypocritical to me.

I have not seen the transfer. But, logic or commonsense tells me it will be much better since they are doing a complete restoration and it will have some HD capability. How can it not look better? I would say the odds are in my favor.

I just don't see why people are bitching over getting what will be an improved product. It is IRRATIONAL to be against an improvement or progress of anything - including DVDs.

Yet I never refer to any of your remarks as "bitching" That is demeaning (sp).

Come on, now. Next, you're going to accuse me of hurting others' self-esteem.

David

Other's opinions are "bitching", your opinions are not?

Explain...

*sirens*"Please step away from this thread. It has been hijacked. Everyone go home, there is nothing to see here." *siren*

Rocky,

I can only refer you back to my previous posts - I'm only making an observation. I really don't care that people are mad about this Extreme Edition. Just making a point before.

Hey Rocky,

What do you care what other people choose to buy? If you do not want to buy this title, no one is forcing you. You can call people who buy certain DVDs "puppets" or "sheep" or anything else you want, but face it, some people want to have a better looking transfer, a new commentary track, new HD version, and new extras, and others (like yourself, obviously) do not.

Attacking the person and not his argument is a sure sign one is on the losing side. Name calling is another.

Does this thread need to be open anymore? It seems we've covered all there is to cover regarding the HD version of the film on the new T2: Extreme Edition DVD.

Just my $.02 (USD).

-- Jough

Jough

Try READING my posts. I was not the one who started calling it "bitching"

I am NOT opposed to great transfers, but I want them on titles that HAVE NOT already been released several times.

The sad part is we are all on the same side with this topic, you guys just want to fight.

Everybody calm down..cmon its just a DVD>

serinity now.....serinity now....
SERINITY NOW!

Rocky, try reading mine. I never suggested that you did. I believe you called those who wish to buy this disc "puppets." I never said anything about bitching either way.

I don't want to fight - but you seem particularly hostile on this subject and I'm wondering (seriously) why you seem so fervent about the idea of other people buying something they'll enjoy.

I agree that I'd much rather see unreleased titles done right, or titles revisited that thus far have not received as golden a treatment as Terminator 2, but Artisan is really hurting financially at the moment (they almost went under two months ago, and are currently shopping around for buyers now according to the video business trade magazines) and if this resurrects them enough to produce better titles, more power to them.

I just tried to do my part by picking up a few of their recent SEs that I hadn't bought before - Total Recall, Glengary Glenross, Basic Instinct, Reservoir Dogs, etc.

I'll pick up the new T2 release for the reasons I stated above. There's really no downside for me - I'll keep the old disc for its unique content (and the other versions of the film) but since they're releasing a hopefully better looking transfer of the only version of the film I ever watch anyway, for me, it's not a big dealto spend the $15, which will also buy me extra documentaries and the Cameron commentary which I'm looking forward to listening to.

To refer back to the topic slightly, the HD version is a gimmick and won't play in most (if any) DVD players - so for most it's little more than a novelty until the "real" HD-DVD version comes out (whenever that may be).

I'm sure whenever the HD-DVD format becomes prevalent there'll be many more discussions about this - "What was wrong with the old standard resolution DVDs?" "Do the studios really expect me to re-purchase this title again in HD?"

It's all a matter of an individual buyer's choice.

-- Jough, who would close this thread if he were a mod

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jough
[B]Rocky, try reading mine. I never suggested that you did. I believe you called those who wish to buy this disc "puppets." I never said anything about bitching either way.



I don't want to fight - but you seem particularly hostile on this subject and I'm wondering (seriously) why you seem so fervent about the idea of other people buying something they'll enjoy.


I am not hostile, my whole point is simply this, the more people buy re-releases the more these companines will continue to keep putting out the same product over and over. There are so many great movies that need to be restored/released. Artisan should aquire rights to movies like A boy and his dog, then I will buy and support all day long. I have over 600 dvd movies, and I am just tired of the same re-releases.

End of thoughts on this topic.

Fair enough. Artisan isn't likely to "acquire" rights to much in the near future - I just hope they survive as a company - they've put out some really strong discs, especially lately.

Oh, and the Rambo trilogy was a nice surprise too.

-- Jough

The Rambo Trilogy really did need to be done, I was glad to re-purchase that set, just wished I had know about the price drop sooner!

I'm glad I waited on it - ~$21 from DDD - niiiiiiiice.

I just wish mine wasn't so dinged-up when it arrived. That metal cover is really soft and dent-able. And it doesn't hold paint well.

But hey, $21 for three movies in soopa-doopa SEs and a fourth disc of extras about the trilogy is just incredible. I thought it was a mis-price when I first saw it posted there.

-- Jough

Well, my cover is perfect, so I guess it was worth the extra 20.00
(no, not really, but it was a nice thought)

Good article about the HD on T2 extreme from dvdangle:

http://dvdangle.com/editorial/index.html#041803-1http://dvdangle.com/editorial/index.html#041803-1

Not sure if that link will work, so here is the article:
"HD-DVD on the Computer? Microsoft has announced a joint venture with Artisan to bring so-called high definition to DVD via DVD-ROM with a pair of upcoming releases -- Standing in the Shadows of Motown (04/22) and T2: Extreme Edition (06/03). In addition to the standard DVD-Video goodies, both discs will include high-resolution versions of the movie that are playable on the computer through Microsoft Windows Media 9 Series. These high-resolution transfers are said to offer twice the resolution of NTSC, which is techically HD. To take advantage of this new option all you'll need is a standard DVD-ROM drive and the latest Windows Media technology (available free from Microsoft).

It is important to clarify a few facts from the marketing hype that is sure to come. First, the resolution of a computer monitor is technically greater than that of a standard NTSC TV (computer monitors work in dpi -- dots per inch -- while standard TV's work in lines). So, yes there will be a noticeable improvement. One media report (from Video Business) included a statement that computers equipped with "composite video-out ports so consumers with HD-ready digital TVs can play high-def DVD-ROM versions of Shadows or T2 on them today." This is correct, but a proviso needs to be added. While the source material may be higher resolution, your video out card must include a VGA output. So, you'd have to use your HDTV as your monitor (unless you're lucky enough to have 2 VGA outputs).

This quasi-HD-DVD format is a step in the right direction, but it could add more confusion to an already confusing topic and will do little to help stem the impending format war"

Another good article on this here.

"...But the release isn't likely to trigger a flood of high-definition discs because the major Hollywood studios and consumer-electronics manufacturers are facing a judgment day of their own.

The studios have to decide whether to put movies out on high-definition discs, a commitment they aren't ready to make. And device makers have to either agree on a single standard to play the discs or fight it out in the marketplace..."

Cant wait for the T2 Ultimate Extremely Extreme Edition when T3 Comes to DVD.

If you think I'm joking, just wait and see.

Maybe we need a new speculative thread to figure out what the next release of T2 will be called...

Terminator 2 is/was one of them.