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07-17-99 | 02:00 AM
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Okay, I'm worried that perhaps my reaction to Rockerboy's post was a bit harsh. I closed the thread because of the language, and should have made that more clear. It is being re-opened as a result.
I'm assuming the post was intended to make a point; I'm sure I helped make it for him by closing the thread.
There are no rules stating that reviews of adult titles cannot be posted. But the reviews must be tastefully written. This applies to all reviews, regardless of genre/rating. I'm 99% sure that this review would not have surfaced if not for the recent discussions of a possible forum addition.
Input on how to write and/or moderate such posts would be greatly appreciated. If you'd rather not post your opinion hear, please e-mail me ([email protected]).
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[This message has been edited by DVDer (edited 07-16-1999).]
I'm assuming the post was intended to make a point; I'm sure I helped make it for him by closing the thread.
There are no rules stating that reviews of adult titles cannot be posted. But the reviews must be tastefully written. This applies to all reviews, regardless of genre/rating. I'm 99% sure that this review would not have surfaced if not for the recent discussions of a possible forum addition.
Input on how to write and/or moderate such posts would be greatly appreciated. If you'd rather not post your opinion hear, please e-mail me ([email protected]).
--Heather
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[This message has been edited by DVDer (edited 07-16-1999).]
07-17-99 | 03:03 AM
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My definition, I suppose, of "tasteful," would be general. Reviews are all subjective, as are words, and I don't think that anything should be judged too harshly. But there is a word in that review which is used several times that I've been informed is distasteful. I started this thread to find out what others think, so what is your definition of the word, anglagard?
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07-17-99 | 11:32 AM
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From: Pilot Point, Texas
Heather,
Personally I don't find xxx movies of interest. Others do and some of the members of this forum have opinions on these movies and others have an interest in those opinions. Since you avoided using the dreaded word that you found offensive I can only assume that you are referring to his substitution for the word penis.
While you may find the xxx movies offensive and by extension a description of these movies, personally I found your attempt to censure what appears to be an honest attempt to describe a movie to be totally offensive. I was glad to see your reinstating of the original post, I suspect moderating a forum like this may thicken skin a little
especially when the subject matter can involve issues that are personally offensive.
Again thanks for the time you commit to moderating the forum and let's hope that we can all share in the opinions and tastes of each other without (or at least minimal ) offense to each other.
Mike
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Personally I don't find xxx movies of interest. Others do and some of the members of this forum have opinions on these movies and others have an interest in those opinions. Since you avoided using the dreaded word that you found offensive I can only assume that you are referring to his substitution for the word penis.
While you may find the xxx movies offensive and by extension a description of these movies, personally I found your attempt to censure what appears to be an honest attempt to describe a movie to be totally offensive. I was glad to see your reinstating of the original post, I suspect moderating a forum like this may thicken skin a little
especially when the subject matter can involve issues that are personally offensive.
Again thanks for the time you commit to moderating the forum and let's hope that we can all share in the opinions and tastes of each other without (or at least minimal ) offense to each other.
Mike
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07-17-99 | 12:26 PM
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Thanks, everyone who has posted their thoughts on the subject.
I would like to clarify that I wasn't personally offended by the post. While I have no interest in adult titles, I do not care what others watch, nor do I care what they write about them. As a moderator it would be wrong, I believe, to put my opinions before those of the forum members. I received an e-mail from someone who had read the post and was offended, and after briefly considering how quickly others had taken offense at the mere discussion of an adult forum, I thought that closing it would be okay.
However, within five minutes of closing it I had asked some people for their opinions and reconsidered enough to re-open, and consequently the thread was re-opened about ten minutes after being closed, by which time another thread in another forum had already asked why it was closed.
I also found it of interest that the letter I received only mentioned that person's disgust at the "schlong" mentioning, and not anything else. [Perhaps using a star **** or letter grade rating would be a better idea
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I would like to clarify that I wasn't personally offended by the post. While I have no interest in adult titles, I do not care what others watch, nor do I care what they write about them. As a moderator it would be wrong, I believe, to put my opinions before those of the forum members. I received an e-mail from someone who had read the post and was offended, and after briefly considering how quickly others had taken offense at the mere discussion of an adult forum, I thought that closing it would be okay.
However, within five minutes of closing it I had asked some people for their opinions and reconsidered enough to re-open, and consequently the thread was re-opened about ten minutes after being closed, by which time another thread in another forum had already asked why it was closed.
I also found it of interest that the letter I received only mentioned that person's disgust at the "schlong" mentioning, and not anything else. [Perhaps using a star **** or letter grade rating would be a better idea
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07-17-99 | 02:19 PM
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schlong is not a profane word. it is a colorful word and i consider more like slang than anything else. i find it interesting anyone would find a this word insulting. it is definately not insulting or degrading. is it? and it isn't a curse word.
I find it amazing that this is a site for movie watchers and the language in most movies is so much worse than this and yet the use of this word got the thread closed 2 minutes after the post. must have been a record.
(edited because of lack of spell checker)
[This message has been edited by rockerboy (edited 07-17-1999).]
I find it amazing that this is a site for movie watchers and the language in most movies is so much worse than this and yet the use of this word got the thread closed 2 minutes after the post. must have been a record.
(edited because of lack of spell checker)
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07-18-99 | 02:04 PM
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Rockerboy.
Heather was in her right to close the thread, this whole debate over adult reviews and such has had the line of how to moderate move from one spot to another and back again.
I fully support her closing (and then reopening the thread), it's every moderators call what they think is within the bounds of what is appropriate for the subforum or not.
I'm sure you can appreciate than some people react very negartively to even the discussion of X rated films and it is important to respect that and be sensitive to it.
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Heather was in her right to close the thread, this whole debate over adult reviews and such has had the line of how to moderate move from one spot to another and back again.
I fully support her closing (and then reopening the thread), it's every moderators call what they think is within the bounds of what is appropriate for the subforum or not.
I'm sure you can appreciate than some people react very negartively to even the discussion of X rated films and it is important to respect that and be sensitive to it.
Geoff
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07-18-99 | 09:49 PM
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We already have a "taste police"...they are called "moderators". These moderators are here to keep the integrity of this forum. They are trying to do thier best to keep the interest of the majority enforced. Although many of us dislike not having 100% freedom, it is nescesarry. The moderators do a good job of running this site without hampering the fun. I understand that one may have a disagreement with thier opinions on censorship. I agree that censorship can have its downfalls. But, many members here at DVDtalk have already voiced their opinions. And you might even say that a sort of implied legislation was passed that the majority of DVDtalk members don't want adult material on this website. Adult reveiws cannot be hard to find elsewhere on the web, but are only welcome here if written with extreme sesitivity to others. "Innappropriate adult" material is not tollerated, while "tastefull adult" material is. Your question is, "Who decides what's tasteful what's not?". Answer: The Moderators. They have to OBJECTIVELY judge what they regard as appropriate or innappropriate. It is impossible to keep this forum going without some people making decisions. I know that this is a source of fun for all of us, but even Disneyland needs decision makers to keep it fun. So, the moderators will have to pass their own judgement on what is acceptable. Their descisions are derived from an Honest, Objective effort. If your concern is that the descisions will be subjective, then you don't know the moderators very well. If you want detailed reveiws, go to www.adultdvdempire.com . They have this. I beleive www.divadee.com does also. If you want to post a tastefull review, then I would be happy to read it.
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07-18-99 | 10:30 PM
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Hey Jason,
You made the statement...."The majority of DVDtalk members don't want adult material on this website." I wonder if there is a way to use the forum to vote, not comment on pro or con. Each member gets one vote and then the once it's decided, the moderators let us know the outcome.
Just an idea, don't flame me if it's dumb.
Rick
You made the statement...."The majority of DVDtalk members don't want adult material on this website." I wonder if there is a way to use the forum to vote, not comment on pro or con. Each member gets one vote and then the once it's decided, the moderators let us know the outcome.
Just an idea, don't flame me if it's dumb.
Rick
07-18-99 | 11:09 PM
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What is a tasteful discussion?
For me, a tasteful discussion is any discussion I would not mind having my mother listen in on at her 85th birthday party at the old ranch.
Then again, my mom was brought up on Emily Post.
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For me, a tasteful discussion is any discussion I would not mind having my mother listen in on at her 85th birthday party at the old ranch.
Then again, my mom was brought up on Emily Post.
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07-18-99 | 11:17 PM
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Hi, SlickRick. Thanks again for the "buy 4, get 1 free" coupon you sent me. It is much appreciated.
I think that a vote would be a great idea. Unfortunately, there isn't anything that I can do about it. I should let everyone know that my points are objective and logical ones and are not personal. I was not offended by the XXX post. Although, I found it uninteresting I agree that it should have been re-opened and applaud DVDer for doing so. I think that a vote is a wonderful idea, we should email DVDer and Geoff to ask about making this the weekly poll.
We should ALL be careful about the content of our posts, because it can make others uncomfortable. I like the idea requiring "XXX" to be in the thread title. That way the tone of the thread is known before a member reads it. Even with the XXX warning, such threads should be handled properly. This goes for all posts. There isn't an "Adult Film" predjudice here, there is just a "respect other members" policy. Not only is X-rated talk not allowed, but personal attacks, predjudice comments, and post about beating the system.
So, there is not focus on banning adult reviews, just a focus on keeping members respectful of others.
Robert Jason
I think that a vote would be a great idea. Unfortunately, there isn't anything that I can do about it. I should let everyone know that my points are objective and logical ones and are not personal. I was not offended by the XXX post. Although, I found it uninteresting I agree that it should have been re-opened and applaud DVDer for doing so. I think that a vote is a wonderful idea, we should email DVDer and Geoff to ask about making this the weekly poll.
We should ALL be careful about the content of our posts, because it can make others uncomfortable. I like the idea requiring "XXX" to be in the thread title. That way the tone of the thread is known before a member reads it. Even with the XXX warning, such threads should be handled properly. This goes for all posts. There isn't an "Adult Film" predjudice here, there is just a "respect other members" policy. Not only is X-rated talk not allowed, but personal attacks, predjudice comments, and post about beating the system.
So, there is not focus on banning adult reviews, just a focus on keeping members respectful of others.
Robert Jason
07-19-99 | 12:30 AM
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RJason - good idea. I voted no for the adult forum but argued that the adult reviews can still find a home in the existing forums - with ground rules. Here's an idea I threw out in Geoff's "results" thread:
"Make one of the emoticons (smiley, frown, question, etc.) a big red "A" or something for adult related threads. The thread still obeys all content rules, and if you don't want to see it, don't click it."
-burgeon
"Make one of the emoticons (smiley, frown, question, etc.) a big red "A" or something for adult related threads. The thread still obeys all content rules, and if you don't want to see it, don't click it."
-burgeon
07-19-99 | 01:31 AM
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I'm glad to see you all contributing your thoughts on the issues that have been brought up in this thread.
As for taking a poll, any e-mails sent to me about doing so will be forwarded to Geoff, as he is in charge of all that, so if you're interested having such a poll taken, make sure to direct your letters to him.
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As for taking a poll, any e-mails sent to me about doing so will be forwarded to Geoff, as he is in charge of all that, so if you're interested having such a poll taken, make sure to direct your letters to him.
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07-19-99 | 01:47 PM
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burgeon, I think it's a good idea also. But, give Slick Rick the credit for this one. I was just agreeing with him. 
I actually like the idea of a warning icon that would be great. I wonder if Geoff can do that with this software. Ok everyone, let's email Geoff.
Robert Jason
I actually like the idea of a warning icon that would be great. I wonder if Geoff can do that with this software. Ok everyone, let's email Geoff.Robert Jason
07-19-99 | 03:24 PM
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Hi Everyone, I just want to take a moment to explain why i did the post. It was actually in response to a post someone else made. I won't say who made the post because finger pointing won't help matters.
Because of the nature of how strongly people feel about Sex. until now I rarely saw any discusion about the subject at all. That shows how considerate the people who were interested in the subject really was. Either that or were to embarrased to post.
I actually had no thoughts about doing the post until someone replied to a post implying he was filthy and to leave the site. Now how considerate is that. consideration is a double edge sword.
The other reason i did it was because a lot of people replied to Geoff's question that they should just post in the normal forums we already have.
DVDer you were right, i did do it to make a point. And i do want to thank you again for being a responsible moderator and reopening the post.
Because of the nature of how strongly people feel about Sex. until now I rarely saw any discusion about the subject at all. That shows how considerate the people who were interested in the subject really was. Either that or were to embarrased to post.
I actually had no thoughts about doing the post until someone replied to a post implying he was filthy and to leave the site. Now how considerate is that. consideration is a double edge sword.
The other reason i did it was because a lot of people replied to Geoff's question that they should just post in the normal forums we already have.
DVDer you were right, i did do it to make a point. And i do want to thank you again for being a responsible moderator and reopening the post.
07-19-99 | 07:26 PM
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Rockerboy, so you are sort of sticking up for those who support X material and I am sticking up for those who don't. And neither of us personally care either way. I guess there is nothing wrong with that. In fact I think it's a great effort on everyone part to discuss the topic and come to a rule about it. I originally posted that your topic was tasteless, but it wasn't that bad. At first I thought it was crude, but nothing a little "XXX" warning didn't fix. I did sense that it was a statement more than an actual review. I hope that everyone will be considerate of others. I too think it's wrong to call a member filthy and ask them to leave, unless they posted something detailed and provacative. I feel that asking someone to leave is just as disrespectful as anything else we've discussed. I think that review of such movies as Bad Wives and Country Comfort would be welcome with the proper warning logo. I think I jumped the gun in talking down about your thread. I apologize. Most of my opinions are not directed towards your thread as much as they are "Future Adult Reviews".
Thanks,
Robert Jason
I guess there is nothing wrong with that. In fact I think it's a great effort on everyone part to discuss the topic and come to a rule about it. I originally posted that your topic was tasteless, but it wasn't that bad. At first I thought it was crude, but nothing a little "XXX" warning didn't fix. I did sense that it was a statement more than an actual review. I hope that everyone will be considerate of others. I too think it's wrong to call a member filthy and ask them to leave, unless they posted something detailed and provacative. I feel that asking someone to leave is just as disrespectful as anything else we've discussed. I think that review of such movies as Bad Wives and Country Comfort would be welcome with the proper warning logo. I think I jumped the gun in talking down about your thread. I apologize. Most of my opinions are not directed towards your thread as much as they are "Future Adult Reviews". Thanks,
Robert Jason
07-19-99 | 08:51 PM
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Advice:
Give Adult movies their own forum and remove all rules and restrictions. If they get posted outside the forum, move them. If, (and only if) the general reaction REALLY goes against them, then protect the forum with one of those Adult Check things that don't really prove you are an adult, but at least lessen your liability if someone is offended.
Give Adult movies their own forum and remove all rules and restrictions. If they get posted outside the forum, move them. If, (and only if) the general reaction REALLY goes against them, then protect the forum with one of those Adult Check things that don't really prove you are an adult, but at least lessen your liability if someone is offended.
07-20-99 | 01:38 AM
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Where is this great demand for an adult forum?
There have been two "adult" posts since the vote, and not one response to the actual topics of those threads. Looks to me like if an adult forum did ever show up, we'd be seeing lots of... well, nothing.
-burgeon
There have been two "adult" posts since the vote, and not one response to the actual topics of those threads. Looks to me like if an adult forum did ever show up, we'd be seeing lots of... well, nothing.
-burgeon
07-21-99 | 01:31 AM
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Jeremy,
I think the wonderful thing about my mom, is that we can talk about anything. I think we would make just about anyone blush!! LOL
We are tasteful, but get us on a roll...its quite a riot!!
I love my mom! And I hope that when she is 85, we can still laugh and talk about anything!
R~
I think the wonderful thing about my mom, is that we can talk about anything. I think we would make just about anyone blush!! LOL
We are tasteful, but get us on a roll...its quite a riot!!
I love my mom! And I hope that when she is 85, we can still laugh and talk about anything!
R~
07-21-99 | 10:46 AM
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(I was SURE someone would have a mom who they could talk about ANYTHING without being "disrespectful". That's wonderful. But as you know, communities are usually governed by the popular beliefs. I should have included a "conversation" in public with mom present, rather than just one on one . . . or confined in the family).
Give my fondest regards to your mom,
Jeremy
Give my fondest regards to your mom,
Jeremy
